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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 12, 2016 12:22:39 GMT -5
So, I guess I flushed my money........so sad.......you know what they say about opinions....... Well, it's not your fault. It's more of a manufacturer issue. Sorry to offend you bud, your options were very limited. I get mad at them daily for charging what they do for the product they are putting out. Even the national account reps will verify my statements. It's a known industry problem. Pop.....no offense taken. I really like the tv I bought even though you don't. I don't consider my tv an issue. Got a fantastic deal. Great picture. Well reviewed. I could have purchased two and a half of these for the price of an OLED. There is no doubt that OLED has a better picture, and hopefully other manufacturers will step up to the plate and make them, but we really don't know what their lifespan is and if I'm going to spend a ton of money, I'd like to know if they will last. |
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Post by pop on Mar 12, 2016 12:29:26 GMT -5
Well, it's not your fault. It's more of a manufacturer issue. Sorry to offend you bud, your options were very limited. I get mad at them daily for charging what they do for the product they are putting out. Even the national account reps will verify my statements. It's a known industry problem. Pop.....no offense taken. I really like the tv I bought even though you don't. I don't consider my tv an issue. And that is all that matters.  |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 12, 2016 12:33:53 GMT -5
Pop.....no offense taken. I really like the tv I bought even though you don't. I don't consider my tv an issue. And that is all that matters. Agreed |
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Post by hemster on Mar 12, 2016 19:06:07 GMT -5
FWIW, LCD projectors can suffer from motion blur too. The older ones used to have a screen door effect but that has largely been resolved in newer models. Just curious, are you susceptible to the rainbow effect on your DLP TV? Larger DLP models are more likely to induce that in some people. I'd love to audition a large OLED TV (65"-90") and see how motion blur is dealt with. Faster refresh rates with almost complete darkness controls would surely help. I noticed the rainbow effect with my 61 inch Samsung dlp but moved that into a different room. I got a 73 inch Mitsubishi dlp and never noticed the rainbowing on it. I have been quite happy with it as my room is pitch black and that tv loves it! Curious though, is there non LCD projectors out? I haven't researched it and won't really bother till my dlp goes out. That would be a deal breaker for me on a projector as well. Well, LED projectors (serious ones for home theaters, not those tiny Pico ones) are starting to come out now. It's still early days however and I expect the price to be around $6k for early adopters. A big benefit is no more replacing lamp bulbs as LEDs supposedly last for 20000+ hours compared to 2000 hours for conventional bulbs. I guess you can experiment with one of those pico or presentation projectors but they are not for serious HT duty. I'll wait until LED projectors are affordable. I don't think it'll be a very long wait. Until then my Panny keeps giving good service. I changed the bulb not too long ago so I'm hoping I won't need another one before upgrading to LED. |
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Post by cheddar on Mar 21, 2016 20:19:24 GMT -5
As with any tech spec measurement, it will be heavily marketed. The gear fetishists will rush out and buy, and their brains will tell them that they are seeing huge improvements.
At the distance I sit from my set, with the screen size I would likely purchase, I doubt I would see much of an improvement. Cable/sat signals are still largely 720p.
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Post by stlaudiofan1 on Mar 30, 2016 20:48:25 GMT -5
I think they are perfect beyond what is natural. I like my LCD TV & Projector. They have a very natural picture with great black levels. I have shopped LED & 4K models, because I thought I "needed" to upgrade, but I don't like them. I guess if you long to see the detail of an owl or hawk, then they are great.
I know a lot of folks that really like them, and that's ok. It's a lot like DACs. Some want more and more detail, others want smooth & natural.
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Post by bootman on Mar 30, 2016 21:20:22 GMT -5
The one to beat for 2016?
Digital Trends seem to think so.
But the secret of 4K isn't resolution its HDR. And the sets now are finally starting to come out.
Wait another year or two if you can.
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Post by jmilton on Mar 31, 2016 10:00:57 GMT -5
The one to beat for 2016? Digital Trends seem to think so. But the secret of 4K isn't resolution its HDR. And the sets now are finally starting to come out. Wait another year or two if you can. I'm going with the P55-C1. It comes with an Android tab for a remote & does casting in 4K. It also does HDR10 (update soon) and Dolby Vision. Dolby Vision is 12 bit video, by the way. Initial reviews say the black levels approach OLED. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 31, 2016 11:36:51 GMT -5
Jim,
Do you prefer an IPS display over a VA display? The P55-C1 is IPS, the P65-C1 and P75-C1 are VA.
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Post by thepcguy on Mar 31, 2016 15:22:20 GMT -5
^ "The biggest difference is likely to be the IPS panel type used on the 55-inch size; in past reviews we've found that IPS delivers worse image quality in many ways compared to VA."www.cnet.com/products/vizio-p-series-2016/ |
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Post by cheddar on Mar 31, 2016 17:00:13 GMT -5
The new Vizio P series sure does seem like the obvious leader at first glance without getting into stupid pricing. I also agree HDR will have a greater impact than 4k.
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Post by cheddar on Mar 31, 2016 17:09:53 GMT -5
I look at them everyday and most are total sh**. Good ones: Sony XBR65X950B Sony XBR75X940C LG 65EF9500/EG9600 the rest are a total waste of money. The samsungs of last year look awful, even their flagship is a total flush down the toilet. 4K isn't stupid though. LED is the problem. The above listed tvs have great up scalers. The OLED however is still inferior in motion handling. Basically, save your money if you can. I just put up a few of the new Sonys and not very impressed. Buy audio! I see better value right now in buying lower end TV's. A 1080p Sharp or Insignia with onboard Roku will give you more benefit in the here and now than 4K, and is cost effective enough to allow you to give it away to charity in a few years and upgrade to a better set when things are sorted out a bit. These new Vizio's may change that though. |
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Post by Priapulus on Mar 31, 2016 17:48:10 GMT -5
> but we really don't know what their lifespan is and if I'm going to spend a ton of money, I'd like to know if they will last.
No really a concern. Any video equipment will go obsolete long before it wears out. Couple of years...
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Post by bootman on Mar 31, 2016 19:20:26 GMT -5
> but we really don't know what their lifespan is and if I'm going to spend a ton of money, I'd like to know if they will last. No really a concern. Any video equipment will go obsolete long before it wears out. Couple of years... /b If I get out of it what I got out of my Sammy DLP I'll be happy. (I replaced the DLP chip in it last year and it is still going since 2008) The 65" will actually be cheaper than what I paid in 2008 for a 61"!  |
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Post by bootman on Mar 31, 2016 19:25:21 GMT -5
I'm going with the P55-C1. It comes with an Android tab for a remote & does casting in 4K. It also does HDR10 (update soon) and Dolby Vision. Dolby Vision is 12 bit video, by the way. Initial reviews say the black levels approach OLED. Add a Tivo Bolt and I think you will be set. FLAD (full local array dimming) is the key here for LCDs to even think about competing with the still expensive OLED as far as black level is concerned. Only having edge dimming (ie most Sammy 4ks)to me is a waste and really makes the pics worse. |
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Post by jmilton on Apr 1, 2016 9:56:48 GMT -5
Jim, Do you prefer an IPS display over a VA display? The P55-C1 is IPS, the P65-C1 and P75-C1 are VA. They both have pro/cons- IPS gives vibrant colors and 178 degree viewing angles w/o washout. The IPS screens are used in almost all outdoor LCD displays (billboards) because the can take direct sunlight and not overheat and fog like VA panels. VA panels are "soft touch", so brushing the screen with your fingers causes ghosting. IPS are more solid and robust. These new IPS have greatly improved contrasts and Dolby Vision looks awesome on them. VA is supposed to give better contrast, but with 126 LED zone backlighting, I don't think it will look markedly worse than a VA panel. I plan on doing a side by side comparison before my final decision, but the 55in meets all my requirements for size v distance. These Vizios have a lot of control features for picture adjustment, too. I think it has an 11 point white balance scale. The tablet remote is genius...updates for your TV are APP SW updates on the tablet only...quicker than waiting for a firmware update from the TV mfg.- Smartcasting can handle 4k with HDR, too (sorry Roku 4K box!). Currently, you can only get these at Best Buy...I'd prefer to get it from Amazon, but I'm starting to get restless! Currently offering free delivery and old TV take away. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 1, 2016 10:04:53 GMT -5
I just can't go from a 60" down to 55".
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Post by jmilton on Apr 1, 2016 10:37:50 GMT -5
Me? I'm going from a 50 to a 55... 9ft away. |
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Post by KeithL on Apr 1, 2016 10:40:16 GMT -5
I just recently got a Samsung JU7100 (the 50" one). It has full array dimming (I think most of the "2015" models do.) It also has all the latest Smart TV junk, the remote control is decent, and the picture is absolutely spectacular (yes, noticeably, obviously). It also does 4:4:4 subsampling - so it's dead sharp as a 4k computer monitor. I expected the "one-connect thingy" to be annoying (all the inputs are on a little box connected by an umbilical), but it's actually quite convenient (and you can plug USB sticks into it without reaching around behind the set.). It isn't HDR, but, since it gets brighter than I can look directly at in a very dark room, and the blacks seem reasonably... black, I'm not feeling a lack there. I'm definitely not seeing any areas where I can even imagine an improvement I'd be willing to pay twice as much to get  It sure would be nice to have something to PLAY on it - as in SOME MOVIES I ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ON 4k DISC. However, I've seen a few videos (direct off a stick) that look spectacular.... And some of the 4k content from Amazon Prime is QUITE impressive... (Transformers... Age of Extinction is excellent). And, yes, the picture really is noticeably sharper than the one on my smaller 37" Vizio HD set (and it's OBVIOUS from six feet away). I'm going with the P55-C1. It comes with an Android tab for a remote & does casting in 4K. It also does HDR10 (update soon) and Dolby Vision. Dolby Vision is 12 bit video, by the way. Initial reviews say the black levels approach OLED. Add a Tivo Bolt and I think you will be set. FLAD (full local array dimming) is the key here for LCDs to even think about competing with the still expensive OLED as far as black level is concerned. Only having edge dimming (ie most Sammy 4ks)to me is a waste and really makes the pics worse. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 1, 2016 10:40:35 GMT -5
Me? I'm going from a 50 to a 55... 9ft away. Go to 65" at 7' to 9', you'll thank me later.  |
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