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Post by AudioHTIT on Mar 28, 2016 11:39:29 GMT -5
.... My XPA-7 does 520 watts in stereo mode into 8ohms and that seems to beat the XPA Gen 3's Stereo specs of only 300 watts/channel in stereo... so go figure. Good point ... |
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Post by tchaik on Mar 28, 2016 12:18:32 GMT -5
i decided to weigh in here as to the value of the new G3 amps without sounding like a fan-boy and being as objective as i can be. i am only going to compare the XPA-2s and XPA-5s for clarity since they tend to be the most popular amps.
1. the new list price XPA-2 G3 is still at the same cost as the list price for the XPA-2 G2.
a. yet we are seeing a completely new type of power supply with a much lower noise floor than the previous XPA series.
b. added is the significantly improved 2 ohm load performance w/800 watts at 2 ohms per channel. before this time emotiva never published those specs.
c. with a weight about half of the earlier versions, shipping back for return or repair is going to be considerably less.
d. assuming that the sonic performance is the same or better than the previous series, then the XPA-2 G3 is actually a better value.
2. as for the XPR-5, the G2 is $999 vs the G3 which is $1499, working out to a 50% increase in price, but with some noticeable differences.
a. the difference in power between G2 vs G3 is 200 watts vs 250. x5 is 1000 watts vs 1250 watts. not a huge difference but certainly a noticable change of 25% in power.
b. assuming that 4 ohm and 2 ohm performance follows suit, the biggest change is the fact that 2 ohm performance is noted as significant.
c. but………here is the most significant point. the 2 channel performance remains the same as the XPA-2 G3. and that is where i believe the value comes in.
d. with the earlier versions of the XPA-5 the best stated performance for 2 channel listening was still only 200 watts at 8 ohms and 300 at 4 ohms. the G3 is 300/500/800 at 8/4/ and 2ohms respectively.…a 50% increase in power at 8 ohms.
e. assuming that the sonic performance is the same or better than the previous series, then the XPA-5 G3 with a 25% increase in power could reasonably be priced at $1249.
f. from $1249 to $1499 is now a 20% increase in price and the question to be asked is:
assuming the the power increase for all five channels is worth the first 25% increase in price, is an additional 20% increase in price on top of that justified by a 50% increase in power for 2 channel listening and the other changes/improvements such as lower noise floor and
improved power supply?
only the buyer can really answer that question, but i think i have laid out a reasonable case for the fact that these new amps still represent a good value……. even in comparison to the G2 amplifiers.
3. if i was beginning my upgrade to better amplification, i would probably start with the XPA-2 G3 and then add the next 3 channels as discretionary funds became available. of course others may have different needs and perspective on this issue but this is my take as i see it.
tchaik…………..
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Post by bigen27 on Mar 28, 2016 18:34:58 GMT -5
So are you guys going to talk more about the emersa line up at axpona?
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 29, 2016 21:24:03 GMT -5
I thought I'd start with this one; 3. if i was beginning my upgrade to better amplification, i would probably start with the XPA-2 G3 and then add the next 3 channels as discretionary funds became available. of course others may have different needs and perspective on this issue but this is my take as i see it. tchaik………….. How much is the freight from where you live To Emotiva tchaik? The $200 may well be reasonable, but the freight may not make it so. For example from Australia the freight would be $300, each way. That $800 ($300 + $300 + $200) is around what I paid for my XPA-5 Gen 1. In reality the upgradeability of the Gen 3's is totally dependant on where you live. Cheers Gary |
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Post by familyguy on Mar 30, 2016 7:19:18 GMT -5
I thought I'd start with this one; 3. if i was beginning my upgrade to better amplification, i would probably start with the XPA-2 G3 and then add the next 3 channels as discretionary funds became available. of course others may have different needs and perspective on this issue but this is my take as i see it. tchaik………….. How much is the freight from where you live To Emotiva tchaik? The $200 may well be reasonable, but the freight may not make it so. For example from Australia the freight would be $300, each way. That $800 ($300 + $300 + $200) is around what I paid for my XPA-5 Gen 1. In reality the upgradeability of the Gen 3's is totally dependant on where you live. I agree. The ability to upgrade is interesting, but it wouldn't make much financial sense for many people...certainly not if you were going to do it in the incremental fashion described above. Now....if it was a user installed option, that would be interesting indeed. I'm going to hang on the sidelines for a bit and see how the golden eared serial bloggers rate the sound before trying one myself.  My use case would be to simply provide outboard amplification for front LR channels for stereo listening and letting my reasonably new receiver deal with the other channels. Best, |
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Post by smarties on Mar 30, 2016 7:30:00 GMT -5
I thought I'd start with this one; How much is the freight from where you live To Emotiva tchaik? The $200 may well be reasonable, but the freight may not make it so. For example from Australia the freight would be $300, each way. That $800 ($300 + $300 + $200) is around what I paid for my XPA-5 Gen 1. In reality the upgradeability of the Gen 3's is totally dependant on where you live. I agree. The ability to upgrade is interesting, but it wouldn't make much financial sense for many people...certainly not if you were going to do it in the incremental fashion described above. Now....if it was a user installed option, that would be interesting indeed. I'm going to hang on the sidelines for a bit and see how the golden eared serial bloggers rate the sound before trying one myself. My use case would be to simply provide outboard amplification for front LR channels for stereo listening and letting my reasonably new receiver deal with the other channels. Best, Why not get the 3 channel model for C as well? Then let the AVR manage side & surrounds Center is pretty demanding as well |
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Post by Mark on Mar 30, 2016 7:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by guitarforlife on Mar 30, 2016 8:38:54 GMT -5
I just check out the new G3 amps. And I have to say for me when I bought my XPA-2 G2 I paid $719.00 for it 2 months ago.
And now the new version is $899. Made in America.
For the $180.00 more I say that is one hell of a bargain. For a measly $180.00 increase and to be able to support other American workers.
I say stop the whining over the price of these amps. They are the best deal around PERIOD. I say, YOU GO !! Big Dan thanks for BRINGING back some manufacturing back home.
The big push is for $15.00 minimum wage. I bet Emo pays their far share of $15.00 hour wages. With all the crying over price on these new amps says anything wait until your Burgers go up to $8.00 each.
Not to mention the money the guys in the brick and mortar stores will make is good for the economy as well.
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Post by DavidR on Mar 30, 2016 8:58:58 GMT -5
The $719 was a sale price/clearance. The XPA-2 G2 regular price was $899 and worth it. I suspect the XPA-3 G3 is worth the original price of $999. Just sayin'
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 30, 2016 10:12:28 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo.
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Post by tchaik on Mar 30, 2016 11:16:10 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo. i agree with rbk123's sentiment. although i think i have laid out a reasonable case for the price of the XPA-5 G3 -vs- the XPA-5 G2. here is what i said earlier in this thread….. 2. as for the XPR-5, the G2 is $999 vs the G3 which is $1499, working out to a 50% increase in price, but with some noticeable differences.
a. the difference in power between G2 vs G3 is 200 watts vs 250. x5 is 1000 watts vs 1250 watts. not a huge difference but certainly a noticable change of 25% in power.
b. assuming that 4 ohm and 2 ohm performance follows suit, the biggest change is the fact that 2 ohm performance is noted as significant.
c. but………here is the most significant point. the 2 channel performance remains the same as the XPA-2 G3. and that is where i believe the value comes in.
d. with the earlier versions of the XPA-5 the best stated performance for 2 channel listening was still only 200 watts at 8 ohms and 300 at 4 ohms. the G3 is 300/500/800 at 8/4/ and 2ohms respectively.…a 50% increase in power at 8 ohms.
e. assuming that the sonic performance is the same or better than the previous series, then the XPA-5 G3 with a 25% increase in power could reasonably be priced at $1249.
f. from $1249 to $1499 is now a 20% increase in price and the question to be asked is:
assuming the the power increase for all five channels is worth the first 25% increase in price, is an additional 20% increase in price on top of that justified by a 50% increase in power for 2 channel listening and the other changes/ improvements such as lower noise floor and
improved power supply?
as for the shipping and duties to other countries, that kinda sucks for you all out there beyond our shores. i wish their was a reasonable alternative for you. and… in that case i hope their is a reasonable cost alternative available to you. tchaik…………. |
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Post by guitarforlife on Mar 30, 2016 11:42:56 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo. I still stand by my statement about being made in America. To Me it is worth the price of admission. Come on you guys here in the states think about it for a minuet. It would be in our best interest to get good middle class jobs back here. I relies Emo probably doesn't hire hundreds of people but hey, it is a step in the right direction. We all like to have a opportunity to earn a living and so should these guys and gals that assemble These new amps. Maybe Big Dan should jump on here and tell every one the UP side to this. Like how many more people have jobs due to this. And how they are making a better life for their children. There is more to this when you really put some thought in it. And for you guys in other parts of the world. I'm sorry that this is a huge financial burden on you and YES you should get to enjoy the same great sound as the rest of us. That being said it is not Emo's fault for most of it. And yes high VAT is a bummer I hate high sales tax here as well. But correct me if I'm wrong because I may be. Doesn't your VAT go to fund your health care? Well we do not have that here so I would bet part of that price hike goes into employs health insurance as well. I mean I could go on all day about price hikes like when I could buy a new 4X4 pickup for $10,000. and now they start at $60,000. But ware will that get me? The price is the price. |
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Post by Hair Nick on Mar 30, 2016 13:18:17 GMT -5
So are you guys going to talk more about the emersa line up at axpona? We are bringing a ton of gear and will have presentations on all the new stuff on the way. |
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Post by smarties on Mar 30, 2016 13:33:35 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo. I still stand by my statement about being made in America. To Me it is worth the price of admission. Come on you guys here in the states think about it for a minuet. It would be in our best interest to get good middle class jobs back here. I relies Emo probably doesn't hire hundreds of people but hey, it is a step in the right direction. We all like to have a opportunity to earn a living and so should these guys and gals that assemble These new amps. Maybe Big Dan should jump on here and tell every one the UP side to this. Like how many more people have jobs due to this. And how they are making a better life for their children. There is more to this when you really put some thought in it. And for you guys in other parts of the world. I'm sorry that this is a huge financial burden on you and YES you should get to enjoy the same great sound as the rest of us. That being said it is not Emo's fault for most of it. And yes high VAT is a bummer I hate high sales tax here as well. But correct me if I'm wrong because I may be. Doesn't your VAT go to fund your health care? Well we do not have that here so I would bet part of that price hike goes into employs health insurance as well. I mean I could go on all day about price hikes like when I could buy a new 4X4 pickup for $10,000. and now they start at $60,000. But ware will that get me? The price is the price. It works both ways. Only buy amplifiers made in England. Not in the USA. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 30, 2016 15:04:00 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo. The international situation of not being allowed to buy direct is done to protect the local distributor, wholesaler and retailer from price and product availability competition from Emotiva. Right now we can't order a Gen 3 locally as they don't have any stock and won't have for some time (I asked and they couldn't/wouldn't tell me). But if I could order direct from Emotiva I would pay, all up including freight and GST, somewhere around half the price of buying locally. So I suggest you guys in the US be very careful, if Emotiva decides that they don't want to deal direct anymore to anyone then you too will feel the same pain as we do. Cheers Gary |
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Post by guitarforlife on Mar 30, 2016 15:14:09 GMT -5
I still stand by my statement about being made in America. To Me it is worth the price of admission. Come on you guys here in the states think about it for a minuet. It would be in our best interest to get good middle class jobs back here. I relies Emo probably doesn't hire hundreds of people but hey, it is a step in the right direction. We all like to have a opportunity to earn a living and so should these guys and gals that assemble These new amps. Maybe Big Dan should jump on here and tell every one the UP side to this. Like how many more people have jobs due to this. And how they are making a better life for their children. There is more to this when you really put some thought in it. And for you guys in other parts of the world. I'm sorry that this is a huge financial burden on you and YES you should get to enjoy the same great sound as the rest of us. That being said it is not Emo's fault for most of it. And yes high VAT is a bummer I hate high sales tax here as well. But correct me if I'm wrong because I may be. Doesn't your VAT go to fund your health care? Well we do not have that here so I would bet part of that price hike goes into employs health insurance as well. I mean I could go on all day about price hikes like when I could buy a new 4X4 pickup for $10,000. and now they start at $60,000. But ware will that get me? The price is the price. It works both ways. Only buy amplifiers made in England. Not in the USA. Hey there is nothing wrong with taking care of your own, I buy my guitar amps made in the US as well Mesa Boogie and Carvin. Any fenders I own are vintage so I know they are made here. I could buy Marshalls but I don't I take care of my own. So God speed with that no problem here. |
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 30, 2016 15:20:56 GMT -5
I am just glad my amp hunt is over for now....Two Channel Rules!!!
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 30, 2016 15:41:23 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo. The international situation of not being allowed to buy direct is done to protect the local distributor, wholesaler and retailer from price and product availability competition from Emotiva. Right now we can't order a Gen 3 locally as they don't have any stock and won't have for some time (I asked and they couldn't/wouldn't tell me). But if I could order direct from Emotiva I would pay, all up including freight and GST, somewhere around half the price of buying locally. So I suggest you guys in the US be very careful, if Emotiva decides that they don't want to deal direct anymore to anyone then you too will feel the same pain as we do. Cheers Gary What about getting fowared by a third party in the US, is that posible for international customers? I really doubt emotiva will drop US direct sales actually high end brands are going to the emotiva way with a hybrid model, see Mcintosh, cary audio and others |
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Post by copperpipe on Mar 30, 2016 15:43:41 GMT -5
I mean I could go on all day about price hikes like when I could buy a new 4X4 pickup for $10,000. and now they start at $60,000. But ware will that get me? The price is the price. I don't think you're "getting it". It's not just the price, it's the second rate treatment of international customers. There is "class 1" customer (all hail USA) and the "class 2" customer "you're definitely not American". So; we don't get access to secret sales, we can't buy directly online etc. Why should Emotiva care where we live (other than shipping costs which we pay for)? A customer is a customer, and we are all virtual unless you pick it up directly. Seems kind of odd to dump all over a bunch of potential customers, but then I'm not a businessman. Then you get the equally odd scenario which I had a few months ago. I wanted to buy a control freak, but Emotiva had none in stock. My local distributor had none in stock. But I found one in a distributor in the USA, but he was legally unable to ship me the control freak, I had to go through my own local distributor who won't have any in stock for months because Emotiva doesn't have anymore available. Why does this matter? Because Emotiva has lost a fair amount of business from me already. I own 8 Adam speakers, those were all purchased right when I wanted to buy stealths or airmotivs during a sale but Emotiva said "you're not american, no sale". My couple thousand dollars went to Adam instead. And instead of buying a control freak, I bought my "tc electronics" volume control online from a vendor who loved to take my visa and ship it to me across the border. I'm not saying all this to whine / complain, and I don't hold a grudge. If Emotiva has a product that I can buy that matches what I want at the price I want, then I'll do it. But you have to admit there is some odd practices going on here with respect to international customers. Anyway, I hope by now Emotiva has at least heard our complaints so I'll stop going on about it. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 30, 2016 15:56:01 GMT -5
It's not the 2 and 3 channel models/pricing - everyone agrees those are reflective of the small increase G2 had over G1 (but actually a deal if you factor in XPR technology and made in USA). It's the 5 channel and more pricing, along with the Aussie's particular situation of not being able to purchase direct. The latter being especially painful yet valid, imo. The international situation of not being allowed to buy direct is done to protect the local distributor, wholesaler and retailer from price and product availability competition from Emotiva. Right now we can't order a Gen 3 locally as they don't have any stock and won't have for some time (I asked and they couldn't/wouldn't tell me). But if I could order direct from Emotiva I would pay, all up including freight and GST, somewhere around half the price of buying locally. So I suggest you guys in the US be very careful, if Emotiva decides that they don't want to deal direct anymore to anyone then you too will feel the same pain as we do. Cheers Gary I highly doubt that Emotiva will be leaving, the Internet Direct sales approach(though I admit anythings possible), which has been successful for them "Domestically". I can also understand your frustrations, so I'd like to ask you what exactly did you do for home theater/two channel electronics before you discovered Emotiva? I'll tell you what I'd do and did, I'd go right back to selectively buying from other on-line retail outlets, manufacturers and other ID companies as well as eBay and Audiogon for used equipment. Live and let live. While I consider myself lucky to live in the US, and probably/most likely have way more options than you for home theater electronics, it is just that, I live in the US and you don't, which means you may just have to start exercising what other options you have and move on if you no longer consider Emotiva the great option that you've exercised in the recent past. Before I chose to buy a house and live in Florida, I weighed many factors, and I was told a rather simple yet profound statement by my sister before I made the choice, "it's all relative". Where one state/county/city may have had more state/county/city taxes and others none, no matter the choice and factor, there will always be a positive that another option won't have, thus the "It's all relative" statement. In the end, you just may have to move on and exercise a new option that works for you better, if not, then you'll just have to accept the situation as is and enjoy what you have. In the end, Emotiva is just that, a "US" company, not Australian, and what's good for Dan and Cathy's company may or may not be as advantageous for those that live outside the US as it once was. None of what I'm saying is meant as a slight towards those in other countries, but I am sure that Dan and Cathy haven't made their sales decisions lightly and without much research.  |
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