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Post by bootman on Mar 19, 2016 15:47:49 GMT -5
But I think a lot has to do to with the old school thinking of heavier is better without really understanding the engineering behind it. When a positive "pro" review comes out then folks will come around. Humm....maybe a lead encased t-amp will sell well after all.  I don't understand the gear-fetishist "audiophile's" obsession with antiquated technology. This is a step in the right direction for Emotiva. I can't really think of a good reason not to transition completely to class D amps actually. Lighter and much more efficient technology with no audible difference in sound. Could not agree more.  |
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Post by bootman on Mar 19, 2016 15:49:03 GMT -5
Everyones all up in arms like Chicken Little, speculating about the new products and reviewing/criticizing them before they've even heard anything. For goodness sake, why not wait until you've heard them before making judgements, eh?  Because that's not how the lounge works. Duhhhhh. Besides, I don't actually listen to gear. It's all measurements and numbers and graphs. Right? If you turn it on, put on some music and your toe taps, I think we are good.  |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 19, 2016 15:59:36 GMT -5
What concerns me is that there will be no high quality solutions under $500 dollars. Im using the mini- a100 and would like to see something a little beefier and cleaner for two channel setups but im not sure we will see anything like that going forward. I would like to remind emotiva that continuing to raise prices is going to send alot of customers looking elswhere. My perception is that emotiva is now looking to compete on the factory direct high end which saves you 25-50% of retail prices. You are now competing with every high end manufacturer in the marketplace when your prices start at $1000. Even your $500 two channel amp has alot of competition even on the retail level. I really get the feeling that initial adopters are paying the the r&d on this product. You will be able to pick up a used XPA-5 for about that once these go on sale. I have one and I'm not getting rid of it until it dies. But there are many folks who will upgrade so patience. Picking up used gear is not the point. For me it's not all the good things the new XPA-5 will have over the Gen 1 and 2, it's about the price of admission. Double the price. I'll get used to it, but it's a shock. I'll be hanging on to my XPA-5 also as long as it lasts. |
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Post by smarties on Mar 19, 2016 16:05:39 GMT -5
Also amplifiers are pretty much the same from one gen to the next, it's not like the XPA gen 2 needs to be thrown in the skip because a newer version is out.
Only reason to change is you need more power, ie you have 50W amps, or they're so old best to get rid of as servicing may cost a fair bit. Going from a 200W amp to a 200W amp is pointless.
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Post by garbulky on Mar 19, 2016 16:15:22 GMT -5
^^^Your signature smarties . Nice! Did you biamp?  |
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Post by bootman on Mar 19, 2016 16:25:54 GMT -5
You will be able to pick up a used XPA-5 for about that once these go on sale. I have one and I'm not getting rid of it until it dies. But there are many folks who will upgrade so patience. Picking up used gear is not the point. For me it's not all the good things the new XPA-5 will have over the Gen 1 and 2, it's about the price of admission. Double the price. I'll get used to it, but it's a shock. I'll be hanging on to my XPA-5 also as long as it lasts. I admit we got spoiled but a quick history lesson shows the price of a modular Emotiva amp is holding up well in 2016 vs eight years earlier. web.archive.org/web/20080105050614/http://www.emotiva.com/amplifiers.html |
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Post by yeeeha17 on Mar 19, 2016 16:58:12 GMT -5
I don't blame people for getting upset for the price increase of a next generation XPA amp. Now if they would just came out and named it XPR Gen 2 or something else than it wouldn't be a problem. The technology is base off the XPR series, so why not name it that and the price would be about the same as the old XPR series. Just my $0.02.
I'm still happy with my obsolete generation 1 amp
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 19, 2016 17:06:30 GMT -5
I don't blame people for getting upset for the price increase of a next generation XPA amp. Now if they would just came out and named it XPR Gen 2 or something else than it wouldn't be a problem. The technology is base off the XPR series, so why not name it that and the price would be about the same as the old XPR series. Just my $0.02. I'm still happy with my obsolete generation 1 amp While I agree that many members or lurkers are glossing over the new Gen 3 features and not putting two and two together about these new amplifiers being based of the XPR series, I doubt that whatever Dan would've named them would keep from finding something/anything to obsess over. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 19, 2016 17:08:45 GMT -5
I don't blame people for getting upset for the price increase of a next generation XPA amp. Now if they would just came out and named it XPR Gen 2 or something else than it wouldn't be a problem. The technology is base off the XPR series, so why not name it that and the price would be about the same as the old XPR series. Just my $0.02. I'm still happy with my obsolete generation 1 amp I actually agree. Calling it "XPA" is under selling it - I think. Wonder if there will ever be another "XPR" amp? |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 19, 2016 17:44:20 GMT -5
Right, it's actually a more affordable XPR amp, but that hasn't been grasped yet as people are stuck on the XPA name.
I would also imagine that the Gen3 pricing is as low as they can go, as it has been said it's a more expensive amp to make. Many are assuming the increase is for lining wallets, however I bet if they could sell them for less they would but they can't.
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Post by teaman on Mar 19, 2016 17:55:04 GMT -5
Right, it's actually a more affordable XPR amp, but that hasn't been grasped yet as people are stuck on the XPA name. More affordable, and less powerful. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 19, 2016 18:07:59 GMT -5
Right, it's actually a more affordable XPR amp, but that hasn't been grasped yet as people are stuck on the XPA name. More affordable, and less powerful. While I'm a proponent of getting as much power as one can afford, and yes I can hear some differences in soundstage that the extra headroom brings, lets be real, how many of us here really push their XPR/XPA power amplifiers over 80 to 100 watts/ch(probably even less) even in reference/peak scenes? Just trying to be realistic.  |
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Post by geebo on Mar 19, 2016 19:17:55 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that the switching power supply will not be equal to the task that the previous transformers were. If you look at the new specs the power rating falls as channels are added. The same amp module rated at 300 wpc output provides full rated power with two channels, but drops to only 200 wpc output with seven modules installed. Since the amp modules are rated the same, they are in fact limited to less power output only because of the switching power supply. I will stick with my Gen 1 and Gen 2 amps until something proven to be better comes along. No knocking it just stating the facts. Also, there seems to be 10% higher THD with the new Gen 3 amps. Food for thought... Tim But that would happen with any single power supply multi channel amp. If you drive fewer channels the WPC goes up. It did with the XPA-5. Here are some Gen1 XPA-5 specs: 200 watts RMS/channel into 8 ohms, all channels driven 5 channels - 8 ohm = 200 watts per channel 4 channels - 8 ohm = 230 watts per channel 3 channels - 8 ohm = 250 watts per channel 2 channels - 8 ohm = 275 watts per channel 1 channel - 8 ohm = 300 watts per channel 4 ohm rating: 5 channels - 4 ohm = 350 watts per channel 4 channels - 4 ohm = 375 watts per channel 3 channels - 4 ohm = 400 watts per channel 2 channels - 4 ohm = 450 watts per channel 1 channel - 4 ohms = 500 watts per channel |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 19, 2016 19:54:22 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that the switching power supply will not be equal to the task that the previous transformers were. If you look at the new specs the power rating falls as channels are added. The same amp module rated at 300 wpc output provides full rated power with two channels, but drops to only 200 wpc output with seven modules installed. Since the amp modules are rated the same, they are in fact limited to less power output only because of the switching power supply. I will stick with my Gen 1 and Gen 2 amps until something proven to be better comes along. No knocking it just stating the facts. Also, there seems to be 10% higher THD with the new Gen 3 amps. Food for thought... Tim But that would happen with any single power supply multi channel amp. If you drive fewer channels the WPC goes up. It did with the XPA-5. Here are some Gen1 XPA-5 specs: 200 watts RMS/channel into 8 ohms, all channels driven 5 channels - 8 ohm = 200 watts per channel 4 channels - 8 ohm = 230 watts per channel 3 channels - 8 ohm = 250 watts per channel 2 channels - 8 ohm = 275 watts per channel 1 channel - 8 ohm = 300 watts per channel 4 ohm rating: 5 channels - 4 ohm = 350 watts per channel 4 channels - 4 ohm = 375 watts per channel 3 channels - 4 ohm = 400 watts per channel 2 channels - 4 ohm = 450 watts per channel 1 channel - 4 ohms = 500 watts per channel I'm thinking some Audio Precision Data tests would put an end to any concerns, which I'm sure will be done in a timely matter when Lonnie gets the time. |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 19, 2016 20:48:38 GMT -5
If 200 watts per channel at 8 ohms 0.1% thd isn't MORE than adequately powering a 8 ohm, 89 decibel @ 1 watt at 1 meter-effecient speaker with power to spare, then there must be a defect with either the amp or speaker. I would contact the manufacturer. Right. As if the Revels are some exotic load on an amp. The XPA-5 drives far more difficult speakers than those without breaking a sweat. The XPR's may sound slightly different with them, though, since they have different amplifier technology, but the difference would be subtle at best. It may not break a sweat but it still won't sound better than a mid-fi amp. Lots of hiss... I've moved on but the XPA-5 gen1 was what started it all for me - it's a great 1st Emotiva amp. |
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Post by wadec22 on Mar 19, 2016 22:54:15 GMT -5
Look at the competition, compare real value for the dollar, and I believe you are going to see that we are staying true to our principles. The disconnect in here is you are comparing yourself against your competitors (and no doubt come out favorably), whereas everyone else here is comparing you against your prior self. This^ I love Emotiva. Great amplifiers. I boast about mine every time someone sees it for the first time. No doubt the new Gen 3 will kick ass. However, the consumer price index has gone up about 10.5% since the launch of the XPA-5. Now once Gen 3 is the only amplifier you can buy from them, the comparable amp is around 77% more expensive than the original XPA-5. Is it better and more advanced? I have no doubt, I trust Emotiva completely. Having said that, you'd be foolish to think they aren't going to lose some of their customer base - regardless of how much better it is than the competition. At those SRPs, you simply cost too much for some of your existing customers. Is that where the new Emersa line comes in? Maybe.... Some of us don't want the smaller, streamlined look. I've built my entire theater around a bang-for-buck concept that has obviously made sense to include Emotiva. At the future retails and the lack of appeal of the Emersa line to a consumer like myself, I'm not sure that I'll be able to say that going forward. Reviews may prove your 1600.00 amp to be better than everyone else's 2500.00 amp, but if I'm still only shopping sub 1k amplifiers - you've left me to either purchase a digital amp or get left out completely. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 19, 2016 23:29:20 GMT -5
The disconnect in here is you are comparing yourself against your competitors (and no doubt come out favorably), whereas everyone else here is comparing you against your prior self. This^ I love Emotiva. Great amplifiers. I boast about mine every time someone sees it for the first time. No doubt the new Gen 3 will kick ass. However, the consumer price index has gone up about 10.5% since the launch of the XPA-5. Now once Gen 3 is the only amplifier you can buy from them, the comparable amp is around 77% more expensive than the original XPA-5. Is it better and more advanced? I have no doubt, I trust Emotiva completely. Having said that, you'd be foolish to think they aren't going to lose some of their customer base - regardless of how much better it is than the competition. At those SRPs, you simply cost too much for some of your existing customers. Is that where the new Emersa line comes in? Maybe.... Some of us don't want the smaller, streamlined look. I've built my entire theater around a bang-for-buck concept that has obviously made sense to include Emotiva. At the future retails and the lack of appeal of the Emersa line to a consumer like myself, I'm not sure that I'll be able to say that going forward. Reviews may prove your 1600.00 amp to be better than everyone else's 2500.00 amp, but if I'm still only shopping sub 1k amplifiers - you've left me to either purchase a digital amp or get left out completely. I believe the BaseX line will follow Emersa, so actually it looks like 3 different lines, though not much is known about the BaseX line at this time. |
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Post by ohoi on Mar 20, 2016 5:28:22 GMT -5
Can the Gen 3 be used on a 10amp fuse? Planning to buy the xpa 5.
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Post by smarties on Mar 20, 2016 6:19:42 GMT -5
Can the Gen 3 be used on a 10amp fuse? Planning to buy the xpa 5. Can't see why not 10A X 110V = 1.1kW |
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Post by ohoi on Mar 20, 2016 6:24:19 GMT -5
Thanks! :-) Well, forgot to say I'm living in Norway. We use 220volt. Ok, then I order the Gen 3!.
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