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Post by novisnick on Apr 30, 2016 10:09:26 GMT -5
Theres a questinThread about Chromcast and how to control Tidal which got me thinking,,,,,,ha,,,,ha,,,,,,,, don't laugh too hard!  But I'm curious on how many ways there are to control our music services. I use my iPad to control my system consisting of Oppo 103 serving Tidal through my XMC-1 ( untill I get a dedicated DAC ) to the McIntosh, amps, speakers. Controlled wirelessly via iPad. My Harmoney 700 one click powers evrything but the tube amp up, it requires 30 minutes warmup IMO. Love the setup and ease of use. How do you stream? |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 30, 2016 10:38:21 GMT -5
One of two ways:
From my ipad or iphone to my Mac Mini via a wireless network set up by my MacMini connected to my dac
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From my Mac Mini (hardwired to ethernet) to my dac, using my TV as a monitor for the MacMini - no wireless in this case.
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Post by 3labman on Apr 30, 2016 10:46:24 GMT -5
I have the the Tidal app on my Ipad and use airplay to my airport express. From there to my XDA1 and USP1. I also have Tidal on my squeezebox with control via the squeezebox app on my Ipad. I prefer the sound using the squeezebox but the Tidal app seems to be a little more user friendly verses the app using the squeezebox.
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Post by mountain on Apr 30, 2016 10:57:34 GMT -5
I stream Tidal through my oppo 105. I use the oppo app on my iPad or iPhone. All wireless.
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Post by pallpoul on Apr 30, 2016 11:21:10 GMT -5
Sonos app--> Tidal---> Sonos connect---> DC-1 (coaxial)---> USP-1 ---> XPA-100's---> JBL 590's.
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 30, 2016 11:41:27 GMT -5
I have the Tidal app on my iPad and use airplay to my airport express to my DAC. I also stream Tidal from my laptop to Airport Express using Airfoil to my DAC. Previously I was streaming from my Laptop to Squeezebox until the Squeezebox pooed on me. For some reason I preferred the sound when using the Squeezebox but I've two different ones that have pooped on me so far so I am sticking with the AirportExpress for now. You can find Airport Express very cheap. I paid $35 for mine used and is been working just fine for months.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 30, 2016 12:00:39 GMT -5
Tidal? You don't control it; it controls you. First, they lie to you, saying that with their service, you won't need your own music library anymore. Then they fail to provide the majority of what you already have. So now, having spent the money, you get a bunch of &^_)&)*&* you don't want and less than half of what you do.
Tidal SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS.
And yeah, I know this will prompt a landslide of posts saying how much the proletariat loves Tidal and what a schmoe I am for not agreeing. Nevertheless, I'm ragged but right on this one.
Boomzilla
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Post by gld3gld3 on Apr 30, 2016 12:03:17 GMT -5
Bubbleupnp app on phone or tablet with Tidal --> Linux music server (Minimserver and MPD) --> DC-1 via USB --> Mini-x a-100 --> Tekton m-Lores = music! Sounds great! Bubbleupnp has a very nice interface.
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Post by audiobill on Apr 30, 2016 14:04:23 GMT -5
Tidal? You don't control it; it controls you. First, they lie to you, saying that with their service, you won't need your own music library anymore. Then they fail to provide the majority of what you already have. So now, having spent the money, you get a bunch of &^_)&)*&* you don't want and less than half of what you do. Tidal SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS.And yeah, I know this will prompt a landslide of posts saying how much the proletariat loves Tidal and what a schmoe I am for not agreeing. Nevertheless, I'm ragged but right on this one. Boomzilla So, Boom how do you feel about it?? Don't hold back  ? |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 30, 2016 14:08:22 GMT -5
Tidal? You don't control it; it controls you. First, they lie to you, saying that with their service, you won't need your own music library anymore. Then they fail to provide the majority of what you already have. So now, having spent the money, you get a bunch of &^_)&)*&* you don't want and less than half of what you do. Tidal SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS.And yeah, I know this will prompt a landslide of posts saying how much the proletariat loves Tidal and what a schmoe I am for not agreeing. Nevertheless, I'm ragged but right on this one. Boomzilla So, Boom how do you feel about it?? Don't hold back ?  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 30, 2016 16:27:39 GMT -5
OK - post-rant, I can understand how some may like Tidal. It does offer you new material based on what you've previously liked. For many, that's an important service. I like to hear my new music on a more random basis. Often, I like something completely different than anything I've heard before, and I'm unlikely to find that on Tidal unless I'm randomly drifting through their catalog. I never know what I'll like, but I always recognize it when I hear it.
The initial bad-taste that Tidal left in my mouth was how it was marketed to me by Best-Buy. They lied, plain & simple, and I'm angry at myself for not researching it more before I bought the thing.
That said, the initial irritation hasn't quite worn off yet. I remember searching for hours for songs currently in my library and being initially irritated and eventually enraged when I found that Tidal didn't have them. Tidal lacks sufficient musical inventory and they lack sufficient education for their salesmen, who pimp the product without understanding its limitations. It would be like buying a car from a dealership that assured you that it would hit 100 mph in the quarter mile; then when you buy it and take it to the track, it won't do but 40 (maybe 45), which IS the percentage of the music I wanted that Tidal seemed to have.
So if you're a Tidalhead, don't worry, be happy. It may be worth the money for some, but I'm just not one of them.
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Post by audiobill on Apr 30, 2016 18:18:55 GMT -5
Boom, just for the record you never spent a dime on Tidal, correct?
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 30, 2016 18:24:05 GMT -5
Quite to the contrary. Best Buy sold me a year's subscription for about $100.
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Post by audiobill on Apr 30, 2016 20:18:41 GMT -5
Aha, therein lies the rub- go get a full refund. With 30-60 day free trials directly from Tidal, no justification for them to have charged this.
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Post by klinemj on Apr 30, 2016 21:41:25 GMT -5
Quite to the contrary. Best Buy sold me a year's subscription for about $100. I agree with what audiobill said. For as many times as you have posted that Tidal "s-------ks" (which, I find crude, at best), it is quite clear you should be venting at Best Buy, not Tidal. As Bill notes, Tidal offers free trials. I make it a practice to never buy from BestBuy unless I am desperate and they are my onlky option. I have grown to loath them and have found options to avoid them with 1 exception...I was given a CD from them as a gift that didn't include what it said it did. The jerks would not take it back because I had opened it. Hello? I opened it thinking it contained what I wanted and it did not....they would not accept a defective item for return? As far as how I play Tidal...I mainly it via a Sonos Connect to xmc-1 in my critical listening room, but I also do SONOS Connect to my dc-1 to my standalone 2-channel system (Rotel amp and B&W speakers) and also via various Sonos amps to various speakers around the house. Occasionally I listen to Tidal on my tablet or PC in my office. It is nice to have options! Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 30, 2016 21:44:38 GMT -5
In your follow up, you say BestBuy lied in how they marketed it to you. If that is the case,may I kindly suggest you retract/edit the above comment so your anger is appropriately directed and potential Tidal users have accurate info. Thanks, Mark |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2016 4:50:44 GMT -5
My, aren't we sensitive about whom I may have offended?
Yes, the salesmen at Best Buy lied to me, but Tidal doesn't get off the hook that easily. Although they don't outright state that their service can replace your personal library, they certainly imply that. And even the implication is false. Why? Well that involves a bit of analysis of Tidal's intent & business plan.
Tidal WANTS to be the music provider of choice to the lion's share of music consumers. But to get to that position, several things must occur (none of which quite have, yet):
First, the majority of consumers must have sufficient desire to pay for non-lossy, CD-quality music from Tidal. History seems to have shown that consumers prefer to have cheap (preferably free) music instead, and that quality is not an issue (remember Napster & MP3, anyone?). Other streaming services offer lossy compression at far lower prices. Google is even starting a service where you can upload your own music (that you already own) and download compressed files of it for (initially) free. Is it realistic to believe that enough people want CD-quality streaming to pay for Tidal's service?
Second, bandwidth (paid for by the consumers themselves) to stream non-lossy, CD-quality music from Tidal must be widely available. For consumers in urban areas (and particularly in locales where ISPs compete for market share), such bandwidth is available and even affordable. But in rural areas, low-income areas, or areas where a single ISP exists (usually a state-monopoly cable company, granted exclusive wiring rights by corrupt legislatures or city councils), bandwidth is either unavailable at any price or prohibitively expensive. These areas are not potential Tidal customer bases. This will change over time, but it's a race between Tidal's sustainability as a company and the extension of high-speed internet into new coverage areas (and at affordable prices).
Third, for Tidal to succeed, they need initial and somewhat sustained exponential growth. This is necessary to fund the purchase of music catalog. Without sufficient catalog, customers (like me) who are disappointed in the selection, won't renew. This is not a trivial issue. IMHO, what Tidal has done (and is still doing) is to buy chunks of the musical market market that are inexpensive. This would include "new music" from previously unknown artists, and sectors of musical history where pricing is not prohibitive. To get more popular catalog, Tidal must pay for it. This is why Tidal carried less than half of my ripped music - they can't yet afford to buy the rights. They need sustained, and virtually exponential growth to ensure customer satisfaction and provide desired content.
But in many cases, this puts Tidal in the position of trying to buy musical rights from their direct (streaming) competitors such as Apple. Either Tidal quickly achieves "critical mass" and buys the catalog they need to survive, or they eventually go under. Since Appie is quickly becoming interested in the music (and video) streaming markets, Apple has no incentive whatsoever to license their vast music catalog to a competitor (such as Tidal). Now it's possible that Tidal may come to an agreement with Apple that allows Apple to stream compressed files while Tidal streams higher rez ones, but I'd bet against that too.
Ultimately, consumers may lack the desire to pay for CD-quality streaming audio, consumers may lack the bandwidth to justify the same, and Tidal themselves may be unable to provide sufficient content to justify their price. Note that two of these three factors are things that Tidal has no control over. So ignoring Best Buy for the moment, I predict a high likelihood that Tidal may not be around in a year or few. Their business model is challenged on many fronts, and their (much better funded) potential competitors, such as Google & Apple, can afford to operate at a loss almost indefinitely to drive Tidal under. If Tidal is smart, they ought to be romancing Google & Apple in hopes that one will just buy Tidal outright rather than bother with squashing them.
So consider my Tidal comments edited.
Boom
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Post by audiobill on May 1, 2016 5:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2016 5:27:22 GMT -5
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Post by audiobill on May 1, 2016 5:32:40 GMT -5
Boom, two of your sources are nearly a year old - an eternity in this biz.....
Suggest editing them out for credibility.
As for Apple's service, I guess I prefer my music at CD resolution, not available from them.
And as for Samsung, I guess they're fools to buy such a "loser"? I think not.
Best,
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But I'm curious on how many ways there are to control our music services.
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