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Post by Hair Nick on Aug 17, 2016 16:14:21 GMT -5
Wanted to share some photos with everyone here to see what the speakers look like with the family of other Emotiva gear!   |
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Post by adaboy on Aug 17, 2016 17:06:26 GMT -5
Man that amp sure looks good in that second photo!! Goodness gracious I was drooling a bit.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 17, 2016 19:17:48 GMT -5
Wanted to share some photos with everyone here to see what the speakers look like with the family of other Emotiva gear! I wasn't sure if I liked the looks of this new speaker line, but now that I can see them in a setup I must admit they look quite nice.  Oh yeah, grills off would be my preference. |
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Post by khurram on Aug 17, 2016 19:21:20 GMT -5
I love their stealth fighter looks. Can't wait to get mine tomorrow.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 17, 2016 19:22:29 GMT -5
These speakers have now piqued my interested in what Dan referred to as "the new high end Reference Series", "think Stealth on steroids" he said.  Ohhhh Nick, now that you've shown the Emersa equipment in the first picture, you've opened yourself up to inquiries. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 17, 2016 19:25:32 GMT -5
Thank you for the detailed explanation. What is Emotiva's recommendation to power these towers from their own portfolio? More is always better! I'm old school, I believe you can't have to much power. If it were me, I would go with the new Gen 3 XPA amps. Lonnie I sure like your way of thinking Lonnie!!! |
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Post by knucklehead on Aug 17, 2016 21:03:08 GMT -5
So back to my original problem, if the woofer in a speaker makes flapping noises as if someone has put a piece of cloth in front of it, is tgat clipping? Check for polarity on your speakers. If you have one pair of leads on backwards from the other speaker the cones will move in and out opposite each other - and especially at low volumes. My brother recently bought a used AVR and paired it up with some old Pioneer bookshelf speakers. He had me come over to see what he had problems with - his two woofers were moving in and out opposite each other - especially at low volumes - and when turned up it sounded very bad. I changed one set of leads to the speakers and the problem cleared up and sounded pretty good. Well as good as old Pioneer bookshelf speakers built with 1/4" pressboard and zero stuffing and a 2" hole drilled into the back panel without benefit of a $.25 piece of plastic to help with port chuffing. We plugged both ports with towels - bass response dropped but the chuffing cleaned up nicely. I don't know which model those Pioneers are but it has a 10" woofer and lots of travel at medium volume so chuffing was audible to me. He doesn't hear near as well as I do. |
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 17, 2016 21:23:19 GMT -5
I wonder how would they match with tubes......
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Post by khurram on Aug 17, 2016 23:43:48 GMT -5
So back to my original problem, if the woofer in a speaker makes flapping noises as if someone has put a piece of cloth in front of it, is tgat clipping? Check for polarity on your speakers. If you have one pair of leads on backwards from the other speaker the cones will move in and out opposite each other - and especially at low volumes. My brother recently bought a used AVR and paired it up with some old Pioneer bookshelf speakers. He had me come over to see what he had problems with - his two woofers were moving in and out opposite each other - especially at low volumes - and when turned up it sounded very bad. I changed one set of leads to the speakers and the problem cleared up and sounded pretty good. Well as good as old Pioneer bookshelf speakers built with 1/4" pressboard and zero stuffing and a 2" hole drilled into the back panel without benefit of a $.25 piece of plastic to help with port chuffing. We plugged both ports with towels - bass response dropped but the chuffing cleaned up nicely. I don't know which model those Pioneers are but it has a 10" woofer and lots of travel at medium volume so chuffing was audible to me. He doesn't hear near as well as I do. I checked the cables first. The speakers sound fine at a quite a loud volume but trying to get to a point where you can feel the sound is where trouble happens. |
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Post by teaman on Aug 17, 2016 23:53:42 GMT -5
Check for polarity on your speakers. If you have one pair of leads on backwards from the other speaker the cones will move in and out opposite each other - and especially at low volumes. My brother recently bought a used AVR and paired it up with some old Pioneer bookshelf speakers. He had me come over to see what he had problems with - his two woofers were moving in and out opposite each other - especially at low volumes - and when turned up it sounded very bad. I changed one set of leads to the speakers and the problem cleared up and sounded pretty good. Well as good as old Pioneer bookshelf speakers built with 1/4" pressboard and zero stuffing and a 2" hole drilled into the back panel without benefit of a $.25 piece of plastic to help with port chuffing. We plugged both ports with towels - bass response dropped but the chuffing cleaned up nicely. I don't know which model those Pioneers are but it has a 10" woofer and lots of travel at medium volume so chuffing was audible to me. He doesn't hear near as well as I do. I checked the cables first. The speakers sound fine at a quite a loud volume but trying to get to a point where you can feel the sound is where trouble happens. Like I said earlier in the thread, you are not going to "feel" your speakers with small bookshelves putting out very little power from that receiver. Not being snarky just telling you what the problem is. |
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Post by teaman on Aug 17, 2016 23:54:37 GMT -5
LC, let me know when you want to ditch your KLF 20's.....
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Post by khurram on Aug 17, 2016 23:56:01 GMT -5
I checked the cables first. The speakers sound fine at a quite a loud volume but trying to get to a point where you can feel the sound is where trouble happens. Like I said earlier in the thread, you are not going to "feel" your speakers with small bookshelves putting out very little power from that receiver. Not being snarky just telling you what the problem is. I understand. I was just explaining to the gentleman who suggested checking the cables ☺. Trust me, I got a good plan to get to a point where power is plenty. It will take some time though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 2:11:54 GMT -5
As I posted on page 2 (maybe read again):
..... Your Yamaha V673 is an entry level receiver and regardless of the printed specs the power is quite low,.....
..... look to a much stronger separate amp that is stable into 4 ohms......
..... Be sure you are using high quality sources for loud playback, no MP3, etc. Only high quality CD's, high quality music downloads and Blu -Ray discs for your loud playback tests.
..... The V673 will drive one channel only much cleaner than 5 or 7 channels. Try for a test driving only one of the T1 speakers (shut off the other speakers) and see if you still have the flapping driver noise?
...... If you still have the woofer flapping even with a high quality Emo amp then you have probably a damaged driver from driving it too loudly with a highly distorted amp like in the V673.
..... Be sure you are not sending to the T1 or other speakers a very low bass tone. such as much below 45-50Hz or so with that V673. These low bass notes should be re-directed to a quality sub (no $250 subs) via the bass management settings in your V673. This means you set the T1 to crossover below 70Hz (maybe 60-80Hz) and the lower bass goes to the sub. Trying to send a full range tone that goes below 45Hz or so will place a huge strain on your AVR's amp.
..... Your V673 has a YPAO Auto Speaker Calibration system. Look in the owner's manual and turn it off! (or manually override it so there is no bass boost in the lower frequencies). Make sure it designates the T1 as "small" not "full range" this has nothing to do with the actual size of the speaker but sends the lowest bass plus the LFE channel to the sub where it belongs..... The LFE channel (at +10 dB's!) and bass below 50Hz or so especially in movies have no business going thru the main speakers unless you like boomy distorted sound, think car stereos). These systems frequently make big mistakes and boost up the bass level way too high. Be sure it has not raised the lower bass level 150Hz and lower to above 0 dB flat as in +1 dB or higher. Your amp in the V673 will not drive this bass boost at high output without severe distortion. Boosting up the bass takes tons of amplifier power.
Plus other comments in my previous post backing up the problem with the amp in your V673. It is just not good for driving these speakers loudly.
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Post by yves on Aug 18, 2016 5:31:57 GMT -5
Only high quality CD's, high quality music downloads and Blu -Ray discs for your loud playback tests. And vinyl. Lots and lots of vinyl!  |
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Post by Hair Nick on Aug 18, 2016 9:26:03 GMT -5
Ohhhh Nick, now that you've shown the Emersa equipment in the first picture, you've opened yourself up to inquiries.  |
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 18, 2016 11:35:45 GMT -5
Only high quality CD's, high quality music downloads and Blu -Ray discs for your loud playback tests. And vinyl. Lots and lots of vinyl! Are you talking about LPs? Why do people call LPs vinyl? You don't see people calling CDs plastic. Kind of silly really. |
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Post by lukeh on Aug 18, 2016 12:21:32 GMT -5
Sorry, I sorta disappeared here for a bit, I've been watching Star Wars again. I can tell you that the T1 towers do carry a lot of the low-end on their own. Keep in mind that my Denon AVR has an amp per channel with 105 watts per channel. It was about $1200 bucks at one point but I picked it up at Frys for about $530 with a promo code. If you are looking for a new AVR joins the promo code emails from frys assuming one is near you. There is almost always a deck on promo. It'll be a while before I get to move up towards the emotive gear but I think it's an upgrade on my list at some point in the future. My sub is set for a 120hz cross over but honestly it could be much lower than that based on the performance of the speakers. For what it's worth I can tell you that these speakers appear to be very efficient. I'm considering one of the new emotiva subs once they are up for grabs, add that on top of better Atoms speakers potentially. I'm open to ideas for atoms and subs though. I haven't really committed to new ones on either side. Most of the energy line that I had originally has been discontinued by Klipsch despite the fact that they had a really great sound quality for a starter set. The ESW-C10 can be had for around $200 on Amazon now a days. The UI on the AVR I have shows the amount of power in use and even at a volume setting of 60 my unit is barely a quarter of the way up to the halfway mark for power output. I highly doubt the anyone is going to want to push these speakers up to maximum output unless the space is pretty large. At a volume level of 55 the sounds of overhead tie fighters and star destroyers have been blowing me off the sofa.  So far the sound quality in my opinion has been quite good. I've really not needed to mess around with any of the calibrated settings or individual speaker levels. I find the highs seem to have a pretty good presence at least in my book with my space. No dialogue lifts or anything like that set presently on any source. I'll show a photo of the calibrated distances and volumes from the Audyessy setup. The volumes are a little wonky but I'm pretty sure it's related to placement. My right tower is only a a foot or two from the far side of my sectional and a lamp so it's not all that shocking to see that the Right Tower is set to a higher level.   I'm sure if you pushed the towers hard enough you could feel some of the low end but I don't think I'd ever relegate that type of thing to anything but a powered subwoofer in a home surround configuration. Pushing speakers to the point where you feel the pressure wave likely isn't ideal for speakers that are smaller than 10" or 12". Your more likely to destroy the speaker than consistently feel the pressure wave on smaller speakers. Personally I haven't decided if I like grill on or off yet, though I always felt like things were a little unfinished with the speakers fully exposed. The look of these speakers with the AMT though is pretty unique compared to most others on the market. Attachments:
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Post by qdtjni on Aug 18, 2016 15:31:04 GMT -5
And vinyl. Lots and lots of vinyl! Are you talking about LPs? Why do people call LPs vinyl? You don't see people calling CDs plastic. Kind of silly really. Might be because not all Vinyls are LPs...  |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 18, 2016 15:33:27 GMT -5
Are you talking about LPs? Why do people call LPs vinyl? You don't see people calling CDs plastic. Kind of silly really. Might be because not all Vinyls are LPs... I have plenty of plastic, but prefer vinyl!! |
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Post by adaboy on Aug 18, 2016 15:34:23 GMT -5
Ohhh got'em on a technicality - LP = Long Play LOL
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Oh yeah, grills off would be my preference.
