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Post by yves on Mar 7, 2017 0:13:53 GMT -5
 I miss the Alien thread ! Seriously, reading MQA's explanations is in substance no different than reading explanations companies selling $10,000 power cords about why their cord sounds better than the one that came with your equipment. I say let's bring back the Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers! Or Clever Little Clock... The only true obvious reason why some people think the tech info on MQA is far too arcane/esoteric is because those people have been too lazy to google for this stuff: www.stereophile.com/content/mqa-questions-and-answers-sidebar-3-references |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 7, 2017 9:57:35 GMT -5
Seriously, reading MQA's explanations is in substance no different than reading explanations companies selling $10,000 power cords about why their cord sounds better than the one that came with your equipment. I say let's bring back the Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers! Or Clever Little Clock... The only true obvious reason why some people think the tech info on MQA is far too arcane/esoteric is because those people have been too lazy to google for this stuff: www.stereophile.com/content/mqa-questions-and-answers-sidebar-3-referencesThanks, I looked at the page you linked. One could probably give the same answer about the Affordable Care Act and its 20,000+ pages. Or like the quote that is attributed to Einstein, "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."  |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 8, 2017 11:16:02 GMT -5
Please, let's continue this discussion HERE - on the MQA thread........ emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/49166/wanted-mqa============================================================= OK, since I've been mostly down on MQA it's only fair that I chime in here on their side..... Other than the smoke and mirrors about "origami" and "folding" and "lossless"..... which I find annoying.... The basic premise of MQA is "technically reasonable". The idea that you can repair certain types of errors using post processing is reasonable (if you've ever used "sharpening" in Photoshop you know that it does frequently make images look better). Likewise, the claim that they've developed a BETTER lossy compression, which may be audibly better than lossless compression at a given bandwidth, is also not unreasonable. I's also not even unreasonable to suggest that, if we're willing to give them control of the entire signal chain, they can do a better job of ensuring that they deliver what they promise. I can also understand why, in a market where "high-res" is the latest wunderkind, and "lossy compression" is looked down on, they didn't want to simply say something like: "we've got a new form of lossy compression that's really good this time around AND we've invented some cool post-processing that can make many existing masters sound better AND they work really well together". I do in fact agree that their whole process and the premise for its design is difficult to explain in technical terms - and explaining why it "should" work falls short of proving that it does. The problem is that they're asking us to invest a lot in what is essentially an unproven process whose usefulness isn't going to be proven by any explanation that most people can understand. They're also hoping or expecting us to invest in THE ENTIRE MAGILLA (err ECOSYSTEM) in one shot. For example, they COULD have used their post-processing "repair technology" to produce better sounding remasters of popular albums, and issued them as 24/192k FLAC files. (I would personally welcome remasters that really sound better than the previous ones...... and it might offer a compelling reason to buy new versions of albums whose "high-res remasters" were less than exciting.) Then, AFTER DEMONSTRATING THAT THEIR REMASTERED FILES REALLY DID SOUND BETTER, they could have offered their streaming compression CODEC as a way to preserve most of that quality in low-bandwidth streaming. They could then have offered the high-quality version as a way to preserve even more of the quality in high-resolution audiophile applications. And they could have offered the option of licensing or certifying DACs (think THX). Then, finally, after the format was widely accepted, they could have approached studios with the option of mastering new albums in their format from the get go. Instead they've chosen to try to convince everyone to invest in the various pieces they offer all at once.... Thanks, I looked at the page you linked. One could probably give the same answer about the Affordable Care Act and its 20,000+ pages. Or like the quote that is attributed to Einstein, "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." |
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Post by yves on Mar 9, 2017 2:19:12 GMT -5
For example, they COULD have used their post-processing "repair technology" to produce better sounding remasters of popular albums, and issued them as 24/192k FLAC files. ...And if going that route, then they could have dubbed it "MQC": Master Quality Counterfeit. Because, then, the repaired result would be broken again by the DAC as well as by the internal DSP processing that goes on inside the DAC in question. |
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Post by sethboy on Apr 12, 2017 10:39:29 GMT -5
*bump* soooo.... when is that nice full RU width Stealth DC-2 coming out  The one with all the things everyone wanted, and more? And built-in coffee maker. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 12, 2017 11:03:51 GMT -5
*bump* soooo.... when is that nice full RU width Stealth DC-2 coming out The one with all the things everyone wanted, and more? And built-in coffee maker.  |
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Post by sethboy on Apr 12, 2017 11:28:51 GMT -5
2 slice or 4 slice toaster? |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 12, 2017 11:45:05 GMT -5
2 slice or 4 slice toaster? Its an option, for a nominal up-charge they can make it a 4 slice with XLR connections. |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 12, 2017 11:59:32 GMT -5
2 slice or 4 slice toaster? Its an option, for a nominal up-charge they can make it a 4 slice with XLR connections. It's a four slice toaster, but in fully balanced mode, you can only get two slices as every other slice toasts out of phase for balanced toasting. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 12, 2017 13:07:45 GMT -5
Whether or not you agree with MQA - Whether or not you understand MQA - Whether or not you like the business model of MQA - It seems to be rolling along, gaining new sign-ons every day.
Meridian doesn't sell magic clocks or "aura chips" - they know probably more than the lot of us combined about digital audio.
Their MQA is now looking more and more like a fait accompli - Get over it.
I think it would be wise of Emotiva to at least consider adding MQA to their future DACs. But that's a business decision they'll need to make for themselves.
Just my two cents...
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Post by garbulky on Apr 12, 2017 13:18:28 GMT -5
I think it's not gotten big enough to have the DAC makers jump on board. Who knows where it's going to go. All I know is that nobody I know except for my audio enthusiast friends have heard of MQA but then again most people I know haven't heard of Dolby digital or DTS for that matter.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 12, 2017 13:59:24 GMT -5
I think it's not gotten big enough to have the DAC makers jump on board. Who knows where it's going to go. All I know is that nobody I know except for my audio enthusiast friends have heard of MQA but then again most people I know haven't heard of Dolby digital or DTS for that matter. They be like,,,,,,,  |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 12, 2017 14:54:53 GMT -5
2 slice or 4 slice toaster? 4, but due to complications in the Toast Rights Management law - only one can have Toast 2.0c compliance. The other 3 will only be allowed to have Toast 1.4a compliance. Of course, this is fine if you want to toast white bread in all 4 slots at once. For wheat bread, toast 2.0c is required...so...you can only toast 1 slice of wheat at a time, but you can do 1 wheat and 3 white slices at once. However, word is that Emotiva is working on a proprietary double-wide 2.0c slot that allows you to toast 2 slices of wheat at once. Rye bread and bagels, of course, are not supported until Toast 3.1 compliant technology is in place - but of course, there's no agreement to a standard on Toast 3.1 - so...who knows on that. Mark |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 12, 2017 15:59:57 GMT -5
The four slice toaster does toast in 4k but not in 3d, so the toast comes out rather flat. Negotiations for an add on toaster which allows improved 3d toast is in development.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 13, 2017 7:25:27 GMT -5
I think it's not gotten big enough to have the DAC makers jump on board... Current "content" partners: Warner Music Group Universal Music Group TIDAL 7-Digital Onkyo Music Kripton HQM Store Audirvana 2L (Norway) Black Saloon Una-Mas Premium Recordings Various Indies Current "hardware" partners: Pioneer Mytek Onkyo BlueSound Meridian Brinkman NAD Cary Audio MSB Technoloby Aurender Bel-Canto Kripton Technics AudioQuest Small groups in the grand scheme of things, I'll admit, but the numbers have doubled in the past six months... |
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Post by charlieeco on Apr 13, 2017 8:24:22 GMT -5
2 slice or 4 slice toaster? Its an option, for a nominal up-charge they can make it a 4 slice with XLR connections.
how exciting!!!! |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 13, 2017 9:28:37 GMT -5
Its an option, for a nominal up-charge they can make it a 4 slice with XLR connections.
how exciting!!!!No what's the matter with you? This is a purist toaster dangit. None of that frilly stuff. You're lucky it comes with a free stick of blue butter. |
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Post by djreef on Apr 16, 2017 9:38:42 GMT -5
Ok, enough with the stupid crap. Does anyone know if the the wonky display issues with the screen uniformity will be addressed? I'm totally in the market for one of these, but I don't want something that's going to start acting up on me after a few years.
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Post by klinemj on Apr 16, 2017 10:05:59 GMT -5
Ok, enough with the stupid crap. Does anyone know if the the wonky display issues with the screen uniformity will be addressed? I'm totally in the market for one of these, but I don't want something that's going to start acting up on me after a few years. DJ What display issues? I have had one since they came out and have not had any issues at all and don't recall hearing of any. Mark |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 16, 2017 10:27:18 GMT -5
Ok, enough with the stupid crap. Does anyone know if the the wonky display issues with the screen uniformity will be addressed? I'm totally in the market for one of these, but I don't want something that's going to start acting up on me after a few years. DJ Yeah I've used two of these. No issues with screen uniformity on this or any other Emotiva units. What that guy got was a used unit. Who knows what happened to it? This is the first I've heard of this. |
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