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Post by djreef on Apr 16, 2017 19:50:01 GMT -5
There have been a few on the Emporium recently that have had this issue.
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Post by sethboy on Apr 16, 2017 20:04:51 GMT -5
Well since I started this whole mess I think, I'm happy to announce that I ordered my DC-1 and it arrives tomorrow Monday, so I can finally add it into my system. Yay!
(And on Tuesday, Emo will announce the DC-2, of course) lol
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Post by klinemj on Apr 16, 2017 20:45:56 GMT -5
There have been a few on the Emporium recently that have had this issue. DJ It must be pretty rare...I did a google search for "emotiva dc-1 screen issue" and found nothing that relates to what you describe. If it were frequent, I would think people would be talking anout it here. Said another way, it aounds like you are worrying about a non-issue. Mark |
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Post by gld3gld3 on Apr 17, 2017 7:16:49 GMT -5
The screen on my DC-1 is not very uniform. Some areas are quite dim while others are bright. I did purchase my DC-1 used, but this has occurred since I acquired the unit. It hasn't been bad enough to get me to send it in to get fixed. I wonder if I should, since it's still under warranty...
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Post by KeithL on Apr 17, 2017 10:17:28 GMT -5
I'm more interested in the current list of ACTUAL ALBUMS I CAN ACTUALLY OWN. (And, by that, I mean CDs I can buy or tracks I can download - NOT things I can stream on Tidal.) The last time I looked, there were a few albums I'd never heard of on Onkyo music, and precious little else. I did find this news item.... dated about a month ago.... about the FIRST MQA album to be released on CD (which is one I'd never heard of until then). parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/03/16/mqa-to-be-released-on-cd/I also noticed one "MQA remastered album" on HDTracks (but the version they were offering was NOT MQA encoded). So I guess I'll wait to consider it until there are a few more. Do let me know - on the MQA thread please - if that actually changes. I think it's not gotten big enough to have the DAC makers jump on board... Current "content" partners: Warner Music Group Universal Music Group TIDAL 7-Digital Onkyo Music Kripton HQM Store Audirvana 2L (Norway) Black Saloon Una-Mas Premium Recordings Various Indies Current "hardware" partners: Pioneer Mytek Onkyo BlueSound Meridian Brinkman NAD Cary Audio MSB Technoloby Aurender Bel-Canto Kripton Technics AudioQuest Small groups in the grand scheme of things, I'll admit, but the numbers have doubled in the past six months... |
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Post by KeithL on Apr 17, 2017 10:25:21 GMT -5
THERE IS NO DISPLAY ISSUE ON THE DC-1.As with any other electronic part, occasionally displays go bad...... (If you can find a part that's never had a failure, please let the world know - it will be news.) But we've had VERY FEW displays on DC-1's go bad. Ok, enough with the stupid crap. Does anyone know if the the wonky display issues with the screen uniformity will be addressed? I'm totally in the market for one of these, but I don't want something that's going to start acting up on me after a few years. DJ
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Post by geebo on Apr 17, 2017 10:27:41 GMT -5
Ok, enough with the stupid crap. Does anyone know if the the wonky display issues with the screen uniformity will be addressed? I'm totally in the market for one of these, but I don't want something that's going to start acting up on me after a few years. DJ Never noticed any screen issues with mine. |
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Post by KeithL on Apr 17, 2017 10:36:43 GMT -5
There have been a few - which is why we have a warranty. (And it's also why, if you buy a used one legitimately, you should get the warranty transferred - just in case.) I would suggest that, if it bothers you, or if it seems to be getting worse, you send it in so we can fix it. The screen on my DC-1 is not very uniform. Some areas are quite dim while others are bright. I did purchase my DC-1 used, but this has occurred since I acquired the unit. It hasn't been bad enough to get me to send it in to get fixed. I wonder if I should, since it's still under warranty... |
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Post by gld3gld3 on Apr 17, 2017 12:10:50 GMT -5
There have been a few - which is why we have a warranty. (And it's also why, if you buy a used one legitimately, you should get the warranty transferred - just in case.) I would suggest that, if it bothers you, or if it seems to be getting worse, you send it in so we can fix it. The screen on my DC-1 is not very uniform. Some areas are quite dim while others are bright. I did purchase my DC-1 used, but this has occurred since I acquired the unit. It hasn't been bad enough to get me to send it in to get fixed. I wonder if I should, since it's still under warranty... Thanks Keith. Yeah, it hasn't really bothered me enough to want to send it in. If it gets worse I will. I am sure this is not a widespread issue, or we would have heard a lot more about it! I don't want to make it seem like it's a bigger deal than what it is. Very happy DC-1 owner here! |
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Post by djreef on Apr 17, 2017 21:24:39 GMT -5
THERE IS NO DISPLAY ISSUE ON THE DC-1.As with any other electronic part, occasionally displays go bad...... (If you can find a part that's never had a failure, please let the world know - it will be news.) But we've had VERY FEW displays on DC-1's go bad. Ok, enough with the stupid crap. Does anyone know if the the wonky display issues with the screen uniformity will be addressed? I'm totally in the market for one of these, but I don't want something that's going to start acting up on me after a few years. DJ Thanx Keith. I just thought it was odd that these were showing up in any kind of numbers. Weird coincidence, I guess. Will the new unit have a 'Pure Audio' feature so it can be completely blacked out while listening? DJ. |
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Post by KeithL on Apr 18, 2017 9:02:21 GMT -5
If you're referring to the ability to set the display to zero brightness so you don't see it at all - then I'm not sure. (We kind of go back and forth on that one - but it's a matter of looks and not performance.) However, if you're talking about how some AVR makers claim to "give you purer audio by disabling the display" then no. In the old days some designers had issues with stuff like digital noise from the VFD drivers on the front panel leaking into the analog audio circuitry. In that sort of situation, you might get better analog performance by disabling the digital circuitry, including the display, when you're not using it. However, with well designed equipment, and especially with modern OLED displays - which use much less power - that's rarely the issue any more. (And, with any DAC, or with a surround sound receiver running something like Dolby Digital, most of the digital circuitry HAS to run or you get no sound.) So, in those cases, shutting off the lights is more of an affectation.... it isn't going to improve the audio quality (and calling it a "pure mode" is more advertising than technology). THERE IS NO DISPLAY ISSUE ON THE DC-1.As with any other electronic part, occasionally displays go bad...... (If you can find a part that's never had a failure, please let the world know - it will be news.) But we've had VERY FEW displays on DC-1's go bad. Thanx Keith. I just thought it was odd that these were showing up in any kind of numbers. Weird coincidence, I guess. Will the new unit have a 'Pure Audio' feature so it can be completely blacked out while listening? DJ. |
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Post by djreef on Apr 18, 2017 10:58:21 GMT -5
Ya, I'm just into the blackout feature - Not a big fan of little lights all over the room to distract me while I'm listening. Other manufacturers (OPPO, Denon, etc) refer to it as 'pure audio' whereby the display is disconnected from the audio chain, but that's not necessary as long as the lights are diabled, so I don't have to look at them.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 18, 2017 11:15:46 GMT -5
Ya, I'm just into the blackout feature - Not a big fan of little lights all over the room to distract me while I'm listening. Other manufacturers (OPPO, Denon, etc) refer to it as 'pure audio' whereby the display is disconnected from the audio chain, but that's not necessary as long as the lights are diabled, so I don't have to look at them. DJ Features have associated costs. The XMC-1 has this feature. |
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Post by oivavoi on Apr 18, 2017 14:28:34 GMT -5
Hi, forum newbie here:)
Just chiming in on this, as I've been considering whether to buy a DC-1, wait for the new model, or buy a different dac. I don't know if there's still any point in providing input on this, but in any case: The one feature which would really get me to buy the next model would be HDMI input and hdmi pass through. NAD has this on the C501 and the M51 (they're exactly the same actually), which I will probably buy if there's no hdmi option on the next Emotiva model.
The reason this would be useful for me is that I listen to two-channel stereo with active speakers, and also use these two same stereo speakers for sound from my TV. I don't have a sub, and I don't want to put a large and unwieldy surround processor in my living room. I suspect that there are some users like me around.
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Btw, another question. Sorry if this has been covered extensively on the forum. Was there any particular reason why Emotiva chose an analog and not digital volume control on the DC-1? Was it in order to preserve the signal from the analog inputs in the analog domain, or for sound quality reasons?
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Post by klinemj on Apr 18, 2017 15:07:51 GMT -5
Btw, another question. Sorry if this has been covered extensively on the forum. Was there any particular reason why Emotiva chose an analog and not digital volume control on the DC-1? Was it in order to preserve the signal from the analog inputs in the analog domain, or for sound quality reasons? Welcome! And, good point on the HDMI input/pass-through...I could see that being handy for some. On the volume control, per the DC-1 page Emotiva.com, they use a "digitally controlled analog ladder volume control, operated in our proprietary dual gain mode" and their stated reasons are "for perfect channel tracking, low noise and distortion, and 0.25dB resolution" Net, great sound, great control. FYI, they had a prior DAC with a digital volume control, and there were complaints about it from a sound quality POV. Since then, they've stayed away from digital controls. Also, I was recently looking into DAC's and one company (can't recall which one) claims it does digital volume control and doesn't have issues until you go way down in volume level. I've not heard it, so I can't evaluate their claim. But, bottom line - most people associate pure digital volume controls with lower quality sound. Mark |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 18, 2017 15:51:49 GMT -5
Hi, forum newbie here:) Just chiming in on this, as I've been considering whether to buy a DC-1, wait for the new model, or buy a different dac. I don't know if there's still any point in providing input on this, but in any case: The one feature which would really get me to buy the next model would be HDMI input and hdmi pass through. NAD has this on the C501 and the M51 (they're exactly the same actually), which I will probably buy if there's no hdmi option on the next Emotiva model. The reason this would be useful for me is that I listen to two-channel stereo with active speakers, and also use these two same stereo speakers for sound from my TV. I don't have a sub, and I don't want to put a large and unwieldy surround processor in my living room. I suspect that there are some users like me around. ----- Btw, another question. Sorry if this has been covered extensively on the forum. Was there any particular reason why Emotiva chose an analog and not digital volume control on the DC-1? Was it in order to preserve the signal from the analog inputs in the analog domain, or for sound quality reasons? Yeah digital volume controls - no thanks. Give me a nice analog control any day. Also allows you to have a really nice preamp in the DC-1 with its analog input. I hear ya on the HDMI input. That would be a bonus as a lot of the new cheaper 4k devices come with HDMI only for output. |
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Post by oivavoi on Apr 18, 2017 16:02:15 GMT -5
Thanks guys! I have never done any A/B-comparisons of digital vs analog volume controls, so don't have an opinion on the matter. But I guess Emotiva chose analog volume control for a reason. Concerning HDMI and TV, it is of course possible to connect the TV directly to the DC-1 via optical or coax. What I'm thinking about is rather things like the google chromecast or the last gen Apple TV, which only come with hdmi and no digital audio out. Of course, there are always workoarounds. But life would become easier with a simple dac with hdmi in and out  |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 18, 2017 16:22:12 GMT -5
Thanks guys! I have never done any A/B-comparisons of digital vs analog volume controls, so don't have an opinion on the matter. But I guess Emotiva chose analog volume control for a reason. Concerning HDMI and TV, it is of course possible to connect the TV directly to the DC-1 via optical or coax. What I'm thinking about is rather things like the google chromecast or the last gen Apple TV, which only come with hdmi and no digital audio out. Of course, there are always workoarounds. But life would become easier with a simple dac with hdmi in and out I agree |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 18, 2017 17:39:16 GMT -5
Of course, if it came with a single hdmi in and a single out, people would want more in/out options...and then complain if with wasn't the latest version that is not even out yet, and so on...(yeah, we know that would happen...HDMI does that to people...)
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Post by djreef on Apr 18, 2017 21:18:28 GMT -5
Of course, if it came with a single hdmi in and a single out, people would want more in/out options...and then complain if with wasn't the latest version that is not even out yet, and so on...(yeah, we know that would happen...HDMI does that to people...) Mark You kinda start 'chasing the round' after a certain point. HDMI would rock, tho. The big reason why I'm looking into this is more a as a headphone amp that'll work with my current configuration with my OPPO (which I'm using as a pre), more than anything. I'm fully balanced, so that's an issue. Being limited with the number of outputs on the OPPO pretty much sux. DJ |
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