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Post by rbk123 on Sept 29, 2016 8:55:47 GMT -5
$800+ was long ago known in the original Atmos thread so that's nothing new; not sure why anyone would be surprised.
A point of clarification on the 2nd board - it appears that the 2nd board takes the place of the 1st board, making the new (1st) $350 board a throw away if someone gets both boards. I am assuming they can not co-exist such that you would have 2 new boards in your XMC?
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Post by novisnick on Sept 29, 2016 9:02:29 GMT -5
Yes, we/ I get that, but for a stateof the art fully functional XMC-1 I will need to pony up $850. . I say that becauce, will you really find any Atmos inabled discs without copy portedtion? Easies viewing and operation will require both upgrades. What say you? I currently play Atmos enabled discs thru my XMC-1 with no issue it just doesn't process the additional channels. You still have to update the DVD player to 4k or your Projector or your TV and then you MAY choose to upgrade your XMC-1 to the new HDMI and/or Atmos board but you don't have to. You could just bypass the video portion of the XMC-1 and run the video from your new Oppo UDP 203 (like how I stuck that in here for you) HDMI1 straight to the display and use the 2nd HDMI out for audio only into the XMC-1. You still don't have Atmos or DTSx and if you decide you want it then upgrade and enjoy immersive sound on one of the top audio components around for far less than what you would pay for another manufacturer's product. Personally I wil be upgrading my HDMI board and Atmos/DTSx next year when the latter is released by Emotiva. Can't wait! Oh and then buy the new Oppo UDP203 and a new projector $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Thanks Mark! I do appreciate your well thought out idea, and you are correct. I am currently running my Samsung 4K directly to the TV, and the other cable to the XMC-1. I just have to remember to set up my th panel for the room conditions forfor changing my XMC-1 over to Input 1 and engage my player. The small problem is viewing any settings on my panel with the new 4K protection abilities. Seems that is all I gain, important but,,,,,,,considering the cost at this time. AH, Emotiva, hows about a package price for the duel installation?? Second gen board and Atmos at a killer discount price!!! yeh! This is the Emotiva Forum,,,,,,,,,,cheap,,,,,,,cheap,,,,,,,cheapppppp ,,,,,,,,a lot of us are!!! But it doesn't cost or hurt to ask ya know!
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Post by Mark on Sept 29, 2016 9:24:01 GMT -5
I currently play Atmos enabled discs thru my XMC-1 with no issue it just doesn't process the additional channels. You still have to update the DVD player to 4k or your Projector or your TV and then you MAY choose to upgrade your XMC-1 to the new HDMI and/or Atmos board but you don't have to. You could just bypass the video portion of the XMC-1 and run the video from your new Oppo UDP 203 (like how I stuck that in here for you) HDMI1 straight to the display and use the 2nd HDMI out for audio only into the XMC-1. You still don't have Atmos or DTSx and if you decide you want it then upgrade and enjoy immersive sound on one of the top audio components around for far less than what you would pay for another manufacturer's product. Personally I wil be upgrading my HDMI board and Atmos/DTSx next year when the latter is released by Emotiva. Can't wait! Oh and then buy the new Oppo UDP203 and a new projector $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Thanks Mark! I do appreciate your well thought out idea, and you are correct. I am currently running my Samsung 4K directly to the TV, and the other cable to the XMC-1. I just have to remember to set up my th panel for the room conditions forfor changing my XMC-1 over to Input 1 and engage my player. The small problem is viewing any settings on my panel with the new 4K protection abilities. Seems that is all I gain, important but,,,,,,,considering the cost at this time. AH, Emotiva, hows about a package price for the duel installation?? Second gen board and Atmos at a killer discount price!!! yeh! This is the Emotiva Forum,,,,,,,,,,cheap,,,,,,,cheap,,,,,,,cheapppppp ,,,,,,,,a lot of us are!!! But it doesn't cost or hurt to ask ya know! If I remember correctly and this probably won't apply to anyone reading this thread since most purchased an XMC-1 at a discount. But if you paid the full $2499 I thought Emotiva would swap the HDMI board for free (maybe that was a dream I had)? The rest of us that used a discount card or in my case purchased a refurb have to pay for the upgrade. I paid $1699 for a refurb XMC-1, add the $850 upgrades and I have an XMC-1 with all the bells and whistles for a cool $2,549!!! I think Emotiva did this as good as any manufacturer could have done. Instead of releasing a brand new XMC-1 Mk2 or whatever versioning you want to use for $3,499 they took the time to think about all the current Emotiva customers and how to best take care of us. They were able to modify the existing XMC-1 and enhance it at a great price, $850 instead of $3500 is an incredible deal and we should all appreciate what Dan, Lonnie and team managed to accomplish for OUR benefit. Thank you Emotiva for truly thinking about the customer and making it happen!
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Post by novisnick on Sept 29, 2016 9:36:11 GMT -5
Thanks Mark! I do appreciate your well thought out idea, and you are correct. I am currently running my Samsung 4K directly to the TV, and the other cable to the XMC-1. I just have to remember to set up my th panel for the room conditions forfor changing my XMC-1 over to Input 1 and engage my player. The small problem is viewing any settings on my panel with the new 4K protection abilities. Seems that is all I gain, important but,,,,,,,considering the cost at this time. AH, Emotiva, hows about a package price for the duel installation?? Second gen board and Atmos at a killer discount price!!! yeh! This is the Emotiva Forum,,,,,,,,,,cheap,,,,,,,cheap,,,,,,,cheapppppp ,,,,,,,,a lot of us are!!! But it doesn't cost or hurt to ask ya know! If I remember correctly and this probably won't apply to anyone reading this thread since most purchased an XMC-1 at a discount. But if you paid the full $2499 I thought Emotiva would swap the HDMI board for free (maybe that was a dream I had)? The rest of us that used a discount card or in my case purchased a refurb have to pay for the upgrade. I paid $1699 for a refurb XMC-1, add the $850 upgrades and I have an XMC-1 with all the bells and whistles for a cool $2,549!!! I think Emotiva did this as good as any manufacturer could have done. Instead of releasing a brand new XMC-1 Mk2 or whatever versioning you want to use for $3,499 they took the time to think about all the current Emotiva customers and how to best take care of us. They were able to modify the existing XMC-1 and enhance it at a great price, $850 instead of $3500 is an incredible deal and we should all appreciate what Dan, Lonnie and team managed to accomplish for OUR benefit. Thank you Emotiva for truly thinking about the customer and making it happen! Dont get me wrong, I WAS NOT comming down on Emotiva, just making sure I have my facts correct!!
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 29, 2016 9:40:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know or have a ballpark price figure for the 2nd HDMI board?
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Post by Mark on Sept 29, 2016 9:41:04 GMT -5
If I remember correctly and this probably won't apply to anyone reading this thread since most purchased an XMC-1 at a discount. But if you paid the full $2499 I thought Emotiva would swap the HDMI board for free (maybe that was a dream I had)? The rest of us that used a discount card or in my case purchased a refurb have to pay for the upgrade. I paid $1699 for a refurb XMC-1, add the $850 upgrades and I have an XMC-1 with all the bells and whistles for a cool $2,549!!! I think Emotiva did this as good as any manufacturer could have done. Instead of releasing a brand new XMC-1 Mk2 or whatever versioning you want to use for $3,499 they took the time to think about all the current Emotiva customers and how to best take care of us. They were able to modify the existing XMC-1 and enhance it at a great price, $850 instead of $3500 is an incredible deal and we should all appreciate what Dan, Lonnie and team managed to accomplish for OUR benefit. Thank you Emotiva for truly thinking about the customer and making it happen! Dont get me wrong, I WAS NOT comming down on Emotiva, just making sure I have my facts correct!! My sincere apologies, that comment wasn't directed at you! It was a general comment to everyone on the forum to step back and appreciate what Emotiva accomplished with the XMC-1. I read a lot of comments on this forum where people are less than nice or appreciative of the work they do and it pisses me off that people look at the down side rather than the upside of their business decisions.
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Post by tchaik on Sept 29, 2016 9:44:32 GMT -5
question,
if i don't have a 4k tv or player that provides that level of content, i don't need this new board, right? and i need not think about it until i get a new 4k tv or player right?
tchaik………….
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Post by novisnick on Sept 29, 2016 9:48:13 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong, I WAS NOT comming down on Emotiva, just making sure I have my facts correct!! My sincere apologies, that comment wasn't directed at you! It was a general comment to everyone on the forum to step back and appreciate what Emotiva accomplished with the XMC-1. I read a lot of comments on this forum where people are less than nice or appreciative of the work they do and it pisses me off that people look at the down side rather than the upside of their business decisions. Non taken, never sall,it that way. We KOOL!!!!
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Post by geebo on Sept 29, 2016 9:48:50 GMT -5
question, if i don't have a 4k tv or player that provides that level of content, i don't need this new board, right? and i need not think about it until i get a new 4k tv or player right? tchaik…………. At this point that is probably a safe assertion.
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Post by millst on Sept 29, 2016 9:52:58 GMT -5
$800+ was long ago known in the original Atmos thread so that's nothing new; not sure why anyone would be surprised. A point of clarification on the 2nd board - it appears that the 2nd board takes the place of the 1st board, making the new (1st) $350 board a throw away if someone gets both boards. I am assuming they can not co-exist such that you would have 2 new boards in your XMC? Yes, they are different versions of the same part. You could sell the 1st gen board on eBay, Emporium, etc. Atmos, Auro3d, and DTS:X aren't tied to HDMI 2.0 or the new UHD Blu-rays. You don't need to get both upgrades. -tm
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Post by bolle on Sept 29, 2016 9:55:55 GMT -5
Will you be allowed to do the upgrades by yourself if you live overseas, e.g. in Europe, where there is no Emotiva retailer?
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Post by goodfellas27 on Sept 29, 2016 10:08:01 GMT -5
I just hope with the new Atmos board/HDMI they're able to fix the DSD/PCM bump sound. Also, add build in DLNA with DSD support.
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Post by KeithL on Sept 29, 2016 10:10:25 GMT -5
They are totally independent I have a couple of questions, if I may: 1. I understand that there is a second upgrade in the works, which will include Hdmi 2.0a, HDCP 2.2, and ATMOS/DTS-X functionality. Since that 2nd upgrade will also include an update of the Hdmi board, may I know whether it is in anyway dependent on this present one. 2. If I should skip the present upgrade (because I do not immediately require HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2, and I would rather keep my XMC-1 for use until the 2nd upgrade, if that is an option), will the 2nd upgrade bring my XMC-1 fully up to speed, or will it have to go through this first upgrade prior to getting the 2nd one? To elaborate more on this, let me refer to KeithL's post from August 31st, on another thread: ********************Aug 31, 2016 7:24:47 GMT -4 KeithL said: Full clarification..... The "current" HDMI update board, which will be available as an upgrade in a few weeks, and which will be included in all new units shipping from now on, has one input and one output which support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. This fulfills all the requirements for 4k, including the copy protection, WHICH MEANS THAT THIS BOARD WILL PASS ALL "STANDARD 4k SOURCES" (it will pass the signal from 4k satellite and cable boxes, and from 4k disc players). This board is at the top of the unit, and requires you to remove and replace quite a few screws, and several cables - but doesn't require any soldering. While we PREFER to do the installation here, we will probably allow people to do it themselves if they really want to. This board will NOT support HDR10 (which is part of HDMI 2.0a), and probably won't work with the 4k version of Dolby Vision HDR. There will be ANOTHER HDMI board upgrade around year end 2016 that will upgrade multiple inputs and outputs (probably all of them) to HDMI 2.0a. This future board will support HDMI 2.0a (and, of course, HDCP 2.2), and WILL support HDR10 (HDR10 is part of HDMI 2.0a) and Dolby Vision at 4k. (It may also support HDMI 2.0b - but I'm not prepared to even discuss that yet .) (my emphasis -- sahmen)*************************** Keith clearly speaks of another HDMI board upgrade that is, probably scheduled for the end of this year, and that would involve multiple inputs and outputs ("probably all of them") to HDMI 2.0a, and HDCP 2.2 etc. etc. I am wondering whether that second upgrade, which sounds like a more thorough one, is in some way dependent on this current one. If I should decide to skip this present one, and only go for the second one, will it bring me fully up to speed? (put in a different way, if I can wait to get both HDMI 2.0a (or b), and HDCP 2.2 upgrades at the end of year, an upgrade which will make the present advertised one redundant and obsolete, then why should I get the present one at all, if I can skip it without missing anything, especially if I do not immediately require Hdmi 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 functionalities?) I am also wondering whether it is that second upgrade which will come with the Atmos/DTS-X compatibility upgrades. I am one of those who will have to send my XMC-1 back to Franklin for all these upgrades ; I shall not attempt doing any such upgrade (not even the present one) on my own, because I am simply too scared of such DIY adventures to try. If I can send my XMC-1 to Franklin for a one-stop HDMI 2.0a(and/or b) + HDCP 2.2 + Atmos/DTS compatibility set of upgrades, then that would be my preferred option. I would like to avoid having to send my XMC-1 out to Franklin on multiple upgrade-related trips if I can help it. That is the reason for all these questions. I would appreciate any useful ideas here that will help me clarify my own upgrade path and strategy. Thanks.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Sept 29, 2016 10:19:39 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Sept 29, 2016 10:34:15 GMT -5
Unless you have a "true" 4k disc player, cable box, or satellite box that requires the HDCP 2.2 4k UHD copy protection, and a 4k TV, then you don't need the upgrade. question, if i don't have a 4k tv or player that provides that level of content, i don't need this new board, right? and i need not think about it until i get a new 4k tv or player right? tchaik…………. At this point that is probably a safe assertion.
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Post by KeithL on Sept 29, 2016 11:05:11 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by some of your wording there...... The XMC-1 ALREADY supports the copy protection required to play HD Blu-Ray discs and other HD content (which can include Atmos or DTS-X sound). The new HDCP 2.2 copy protection is the new copy protection that's a SPECIFIC requirement of 4k UHD discs and broadcasts. Atmos and DTS-X do NOT require HDCP 2.2. The copy protection is implemented on the HDMI board (it's part of the HDMI switching mechanism). So: You will need the Atmos / DTS-X upgrade to play Atmos and DTS-X discs IN ATMOS OR DTS-X (both are backwards compatible with current standards). You need the HDMI upgrade board to play 4k UHD content from a 4k UHD disc or broadcast (but, if your Blu-Ray player upsamples, you should be able to play 4k output that came from an upsampled HD disc without it). You will need the new-new HDMI board (the one coming at year end) to play 4k UHD HDR10 content in HDR10 (it's backwards compatible otherwise). We're assuming that there will be some people who choose to upgrade to 4k, but have no interest in Atmos or DTS-X. And some of us have nice new 4k TVs or projectors that aren't HDR. And, likewise, there will be some people with nice HD equipment (like a nice big projector) who may choose to upgrade to Atmos, but NOT to upgrade to 4k at all right now. And some of us may be too busy watching movies and listening to music to do any of the above. You do NOT need the HDMI board upgrade to play HD content with Atmos or DTS-X sound - only to play commercial 4k UHD discs and broadcasts. You should also try to avoid terms like "state of the art"....... They've already done one or two 8k satellite broadcasts in Japan..... and 16k is in prototype And there's not much equipment out there that actually supports dynamic HDR (the next new standard around here). And HDMI 2.1 is right around the corner (but we don't even have the details of that yet). We strongly suggest that you buy equipment that gives you the performance you want now.... and ENJOY IT. The dust doesn't show any signs of settling any time soon.... So waiting for it to do so is probably a losing battle.... you'll just be waiting forever. We made the XMC-1 modular so that you'll always be able to upgrade it to whatever is current. At most, it may take us a few months to catch up - since the chips only become available a few months after a standard becomes official. (However, there's no sign in sight that the standards train is ever gonna stop... ) So far, all of the upgrades we have planned are totally independent. Each HDMI upgrade consists of a new replacement HDMI board; and Atmos/DTS-X is totally independent (you don't need HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2 for Atmos or DTS-X). Yes, we/ I get that, but for a stateof the art fully functional XMC-1 I will need to pony up $850. . I say that becauce, will you really find any Atmos inabled discs without copy portedtion? Easies viewing and operation will require both upgrades. What say you?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 29, 2016 11:16:17 GMT -5
Will you be allowed to do the upgrades by yourself if you live overseas, e.g. in Europe, where there is no Emotiva retailer? The way it's been described, Emotiva would prefer to do the HDMI board upgrade(s), but there will be an option to do it yourself; I have assumed this means both the new single-port board and the yet unreleased multi-port board. The Atmos/DTS upgrade has so far been stated to be only installed by Emotiva (or an authorized service center). The $800-850 price for both boards has been thrown around for some time, but assumes the multi-port board will sell for around the same price as the current single-port; I hope that's the case. To me it seems if you want or need Atmos & HDMI 2.x then wait for both new boards and have Emo install them both. If you just want HDMI 2.x (and can wait), install the multi-port board yourself when it arrives.
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Post by novisnick on Sept 29, 2016 11:22:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply @keithl i NEVER said "state of art" he,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,, "stareof art" i did say! Your correct, that is a forever moving target, my mistake, My query was just trying do seperate products from each other. The current board works beautifully and the new (est) board will offer many the ability to see information from our 4K players on our tv panels. Currently my 4K player has two HDMI cables, one for the vedio and the other for sound and heads up information, currently the heads up is blocked by the 4K protocol. This will be fixed for $349.00 as far as I understand, fixed is a poor word, upgraded is more appropriate. Will this new board bring anything else. I am technically challanges as all can tell.
Im not downplaying Emotiva in any way, I hope and all should know thats never been my intentions. I just want to have a full grasp of what im looking at as a purchase. All can understand that.
Atmos et al is a completely different animal, I get that too.
Thanks for all the information that gets distributed when your around Keith.
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Post by brutiarti on Sept 29, 2016 11:24:37 GMT -5
The 2.0 + HDCP 2.2 upgrade is an HDMI board replacement. The atmos dts-x is a DECODER board replacement. Independent of each other
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Post by frenchyfranky on Sept 29, 2016 12:10:21 GMT -5
Is this new HDMI board is accompanied with a firmware update?
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