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Post by Priapulus on Oct 2, 2016 12:42:39 GMT -5
The XMC-1 has two functions: HDMI switcher, and sound decoder. If I must use a dual-out player, because the XMC-1 can't do the HDMI switching, the XMC-1 is only doing half of its job; which is not what I paid for. (Such a kludge might be acceptable for an 8-year-old processor, but not for one that claims to be state-of-the-art.) I'll wait for the Xmas new board, because with only 1 upgraded input & output, this new board seems to me doing less than half its job... EMO's tradition: "...too little, too late..." Sincerely /b <snip> You make this sound like an Emotiva issue only with the little too late comment. <snip> I simply mean by my "too little, too late" comment, that I have absolute confidence I won't see the Christmas upgrade board until at least Easter, or more likely next summer. By which time there will probably be another new standard.
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Post by bootman on Oct 2, 2016 14:55:04 GMT -5
<snip> You make this sound like an Emotiva issue only with the little too late comment. <snip> I simply mean by my "too little, too late" comment, that I have absolute confidence I won't see the Christmas upgrade board until at least Easter, or more likely next summer. By which time there will probably be another new standard. And if so would you (the collective you) rather then have bought yet another AVR or the correct upgrade board that fits your setup?
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 2, 2016 17:39:12 GMT -5
Probably the AVR as you could resell it eventually and recoup a good chunk of it. I'd guess not as much for the current Emo board.
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Post by DellaDog on Oct 2, 2016 20:44:07 GMT -5
I'll definitely wait for the new board and hope in the meantime EMO allows self install - it's no more complicated than swapping a video card in a PC and shouldn't require a round trip to Franklin.
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Post by novisnick on Oct 2, 2016 20:49:03 GMT -5
I'll definitely wait for the new board and hope in the meantime EMO allows self install - it's no more complicated than swapping a video card in a PC and shouldn't require a round trip to Franklin. Yep! Right up to the point somebody breaks it!
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Post by novisnick on Oct 2, 2016 20:53:30 GMT -5
My plan,,,,,,,,maybe. Nothing is in stone, right? Newer board supporting more in/outs and Atmos upgrade at the same time. All implemented this year!!,,,,,,,hey! This is MY DREAM!!!!
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Post by junchoon on Oct 2, 2016 21:13:20 GMT -5
it is possible to do a firmware upgrade in the future from HDMI 2.0 to 2.0a if you have the hdmi 2.0 board now?
Thanks.
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Post by cwt on Oct 3, 2016 4:32:38 GMT -5
it is possible to do a firmware upgrade in the future from HDMI 2.0 to 2.0a if you have the hdmi 2.0 board now? Thanks. Cant see it ; its only been done by very few ce's that have paid for the edid comms to be activated in the future [sony and Samsung come to mind] . And emo would have mentioned it as they know what a moving target hdmi is .. That's why the hdmi2.0a card is coming . I look at it this way ; if you need hdmi 2.0a input now ; maybe just buy a hdmi splitter for a few months and sell it when the built in card is available [ a 2.0a switcher is not cheap as you see below] . We may have more info about variable hdr10 and DV in this state of flux by then ; and which will succeed .. www.conferenceroomav.com/Zigen-/ZIG-SW42.cfmwww.pulse-eight.com/p/178/1x4-hdmi-20a-splitter-with-hdcp-22-support
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Post by junchoon on Oct 3, 2016 10:19:54 GMT -5
Thanks. I seems to remember marantz did that to the av8802a where it was a firmware update from 2.0 to 2.0a. But I have not follow marantz for some times now and a quick google cannot verify or deny the firmware.
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Post by cwt on Oct 3, 2016 11:56:24 GMT -5
Thanks. I seems to remember marantz did that to the av8802a where it was a firmware update from 2.0 to 2.0a. But I have not follow marantz for some times now and a quick google cannot verify or deny the firmware. Yes your right the 8802 did get an "a" upgrade ; like many here want though it wasn't a simple pcb replacement ;found this - "Click here for the AV8802 HDCP 2.2 Upgrade Shipping form " There were a lot of Marantz owners ticked off when the 7702mk2 turned up with 2.0a hdcp 2.2 and they had 2.0 without dts-x either
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Post by KeithL on Oct 3, 2016 13:24:04 GMT -5
HDMI and HDCP support requires both hardware and firmware. In order to support a given set of features, both the hardware and the firmware must be able to do so. Large manufacturers sometimes get "provisional hardware" that is designed before the specs are finalized... and if they're lucky they can "enable" a feature by a firmware update. The current video switch hardware in our new HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 upgrade board support BOTH HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 on one input and output (which is the combination you need to play 4k UHD Blu-Ray discs and commercial copy protected 4k cable content). The new board also supports HDMI 2.0 alone - without HDCP 2.2 - on all the rest of its inputs and outputs - as did the original XMC-1 hardware. It is NOT at all likely that the current hardware will be able to support HDMI 2.0a with just a firmware upgrade (the current firmware is using the hardware to its full potential). it is possible to do a firmware upgrade in the future from HDMI 2.0 to 2.0a if you have the hdmi 2.0 board now? Thanks. Cant see it ; its only been done by very few ce's that have paid for the edid comms to be activated in the future [sony and Samsung come to mind] . And emo would have mentioned it as they know what a moving target hdmi is .. That's why the hdmi2.0a card is coming . I look at it this way ; if you need hdmi 2.0a input now ; maybe just buy a hdmi splitter for a few months and sell it when the built in card is available [ a 2.0a switcher is not cheap as you see below] . We may have more info about variable hdr10 and DV in this state of flux by then ; and which will succeed .. www.conferenceroomav.com/Zigen-/ZIG-SW42.cfmwww.pulse-eight.com/p/178/1x4-hdmi-20a-splitter-with-hdcp-22-support
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Post by junchoon on Oct 3, 2016 22:48:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, KeithL.
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Post by number8 on Nov 19, 2016 12:45:25 GMT -5
It is most probably inconceivable for overseas customers to send the unit back for the HDMI upgrade. I have no intention to move to the Atmos stuff. As some others said it has been advertised that it could be done in the field. I do understand that things may change. However, I know that in my case I could do it by myself (I had t replace the analog board on a brand new unit). I understand as well that some test equipment might be needed in order to make sure it complies with specs. It would be great if Emotiva could come with some detailed instructions on how to test the new board when it is installed in the unit.
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Post by bassguy on Dec 22, 2016 22:41:28 GMT -5
I recently had to send my XMC-1 back for repairs, and while it was there I asked them to go ahead and install the new HDMI 2.0 board in anticipation of getting a new projector soon. Unfortunately, I hadn't done my homework and didn't realize that there was a 2.0a board (nx2) coming out only a few (?) months later. Since this thread is a little stale now, any more news from on this new HDMI board, how much it will cost, and whether I can trade in my new board for the "newer" board?
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 22, 2016 22:56:03 GMT -5
I recently had to send my XMC-1 back for repairs, and while it was there I asked them to go ahead and install the new HDMI 2.0 board in anticipation of getting a new projector soon. Unfortunately, I hadn't done my homework and didn't realize that there was a 2.0a board (nx2) coming out only a few (?) months later. Since this thread is a little stale now, any more news from on this new HDMI board, how much it will cost, and whether I can trade in my new board for the "newer" board? If I'm remembering correctly(someone please correct me if I'm wrong) from one of the past 2 or 3 PodCasts, it is due out late in the 1st quarter. As for the rest of your questions, those questions can only definitively be answered by the Emotiva Staff. If you do call and ask, please do come back and update this thread!
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 22, 2016 23:04:35 GMT -5
The new 2.0b board is due for release late Q1 2017.
We will support self install if you are willing to accept liability for any screw ups...
It's not that complicated if you are mechanically competent and careful.
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Post by novisnick on Dec 22, 2016 23:10:08 GMT -5
The new 2.0b board is due for release late Q1 2017. We will support self install if you are willing to accept liability for any screw ups... It's not that complicated if you are mechanically competent and careful. Sweet! Thanks for the update Big Guy!
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 22, 2016 23:13:44 GMT -5
The new 2.0b board is due for release late Q1 2017. We will support self install if you are willing to accept liability for any screw ups... It's not that complicated if you are mechanically competent and careful. Looks like a new 4K flat panel and an Oppo UDP-203 will be in the cards in that same time frame!
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 22, 2016 23:22:36 GMT -5
And a probability that the new RMC-1 will have at least 1 in and 1 out HDMI 2.0b ports since they now know how to do 2.0b ...
And by the way, is HDMI going to slow down sometime soon? Please? For the most part, none of this should be hardware. Most of it should be protocols living on top of an agnostic transport with Auto-Negotiation defining the basic parameters of the Link. Yes, higher speed PHYs do require new hardware, but other than that it should just be a question of bandwidth availability. Coming from a High-Speed Networking background[1], it feel like they just define the absolute bare minimum Link Capacities they need for today and then suddenly have to define a completely new Link Technology when they want to do something new. Sheesh, just put some headroom in your Link Specification!
Casey
[1] My company started 10Gb/s networking and is now delivering 100Gb/s parts.
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Post by bassguy on Dec 23, 2016 1:05:45 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for the quick response and update on the HDMI 2.0b board, Dan! I was just hoping someone would actually notice my post and didn't expect to get that much attention!
Yes, I'm pretty mechanically (and electrically) competent and may indeed want to install it myself it that's an option. However, I also plan to upgrade to Dolby Atmos/DTS-X when that board is available, so I'll see what the timing of those releases are to decide. I just got my new Sony VW-VPL675ES projector and an Oppo UDP-203 player is on order, so I'm gearing up for 4k sources and 1-4k input is going to soon not be enough (I hope). Despite the fact that in retrospect I probably would have waited for this later HDMI upgrade had I known about it (my fault), I do appreciate at least having options to upgrade my unit in the future. We all want the latest stuff yesterday and are not very patient in waiting for it, but I applaud Emotiva for trying to keep up with the latest standards and making them available at reasonable prices.
Allen
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