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Post by roadwar on Jun 15, 2017 12:25:12 GMT -5
Coming "soon"  I've waited so long for these that my interest in upgrading has diminished. At best, I will compare pricing and specs of these to what else is available including (gasp!) Class D amps (you hear me D-Sonic?) and may purchase something later in the year. Edited to add: Page 3 of the 2017 600 watt amp blades wait party is mine. |
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Post by leonski on Jun 15, 2017 20:15:56 GMT -5
I like to look at what speakers the folks own.
Never heard of PSA MTM210t, but something does occur to me.
Factory calls out 175 watt power max. A meaningless number, but I'll go with that given
the high sensitivity spec'd.
98db? Really. Wow, this speaker is pretty good at turning electricity into sound.
20 watts continuous input for 118db. 200 watt peaks nets 128db in spurts. Certain in ear-damage
range. Even IF your ears can take it, I'm sure your neighbors or landlord would have some input.
Depending on how such a number is measured, either in-room or anachoic, it is an ambitious
value no matter what.
So, the question is than WHY would you need 600 watts? I can't imagine you can tap-out the XPA-1Ls you already have
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Post by jcz06 on Jun 15, 2017 21:40:54 GMT -5
I have 3 XPR-1s running my front stage on 4-ohm speakers.....sound stage is effortless, deep and clean.....Had a Anthem P2 running bottom end(500w @ 4) and 2 channels of Anthem P5(500w @ 4) running top end......XPRs sound much better......with an XPR on Center.... well it's great and to dial it up takes nothing.....all in what you want...
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Jun 15, 2017 22:13:35 GMT -5
I have a pair of XPR-1's driving Paradigm Studios. Even if the Gen 3 with 3 modules was 1800 watts, I'm sticking with XPR. Other than space saving and more mobility (not weighing 100 lbs) I can't see these amps seriously competing with the reference series (XPR) even assuming price weren't an issue. The shared power supply is an instant deal killer for me.
For the rest of the community's benefit I hope they sound amazing and that lots of them sell.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 15, 2017 22:22:00 GMT -5
I have a pair of XPR-1's driving Paradigm Studios. Even if the Gen 3 with 3 modules was 1800 watts, I'm sticking with XPR. Other than space saving and more mobility (not weighing 100 lbs) I can't see these amps seriously competing with the reference series (XPR) even assuming price weren't an issue. The shared power supply is an instant deal killer for me. For the rest of the community's benefit I hope they sound amazing and that lots of them sell. Your XPR-1's are state of the art! |
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Jun 15, 2017 22:30:38 GMT -5
I have a pair of XPR-1's driving Paradigm Studios. Even if the Gen 3 with 3 modules was 1800 watts, I'm sticking with XPR. Other than space saving and more mobility (not weighing 100 lbs) I can't see these amps seriously competing with the reference series (XPR) even assuming price weren't an issue. The shared power supply is an instant deal killer for me. For the rest of the community's benefit I hope they sound amazing and that lots of them sell. Your XPR-1's are state of the art! In the solid state world, yes. I doubt I will ever buy another SS amp. The tube thing is really seductive tho! The Carvers have my listening ear most of the time. With your XPA-1 g2 & my XPR-1's I can't imagine that the owners of such well engineered gear will be buying module amps. Unless for a second system or if space limitations dictate a single chassis unit. |
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Post by teaman on Jun 15, 2017 22:38:15 GMT -5
I have a pair of XPR-1's driving Paradigm Studios. Even if the Gen 3 with 3 modules was 1800 watts, I'm sticking with XPR. Other than space saving and more mobility (not weighing 100 lbs) I can't see these amps seriously competing with the reference series (XPR) even assuming price weren't an issue. The shared power supply is an instant deal killer for me. For the rest of the community's benefit I hope they sound amazing and that lots of them sell. Exactly! |
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Post by assy74 on Jun 16, 2017 1:42:43 GMT -5
I regret that I never bought the xpr-1's....... Not many used fore sale in Norway either  But have a xpr-5, and its gold  |
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Post by roadwar on Jun 16, 2017 9:09:41 GMT -5
I like to look at what speakers the folks own. Never heard of PSA MTM210t, but something does occur to me. Factory calls out 175 watt power max. A meaningless number, but I'll go with that given the high sensitivity spec'd. 98db? Really. Wow, this speaker is pretty good at turning electricity into sound. 20 watts continuous input for 118db. 200 watt peaks nets 128db in spurts. Certain in ear-damage range. Even IF your ears can take it, I'm sure your neighbors or landlord would have some input. Depending on how such a number is measured, either in-room or anachoic, it is an ambitious value no matter what. So, the question is than WHY would you need 600 watts? I can't imagine you can tap-out the XPA-1Ls you already have Thanks for the comment. I probably don't "need" more power but I don't like how the XPA-1Ls run so hot and I doubt their longevity. I've also been told that I don't need to drive a 485 horsepower sedan but I do because I can.......and it's a fun hobby. |
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Post by leonski on Jun 16, 2017 14:05:40 GMT -5
Road,
The principle to be concerned with is 'first watt'. That's the most important watt in the whole amplifier to speaker relationship.
I'm sure your Dodge Demon of 800hp + is on order. Too bad that in a race with more than 2 or 3 turns per mile, my S-2000 of 1/3 the power would probably
prevail.
System building is THE most important thing I see missing in ALL the upgrade frenzy I see around here.
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Post by roadwar on Jun 16, 2017 17:35:01 GMT -5
Well, the Demon might be a little too "one dimensional" to keep up with your Honda but this is a little more of a multi tasker and I suspect it might surprise you. But bench racing doesn't win many races.   |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 16, 2017 17:53:58 GMT -5
Well, the Demon might be a little too "one dimensional" to keep up with your Honda but this is a little more of a multi tasker and I suspect it might surprise you. But bench racing doesn't win many races. View AttachmentI drove a charger daytona this year. That boy was bad! Lots of growl and power. |
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Post by roadwar on Jun 16, 2017 20:53:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I know this is off topic but since we got no double wide blades to talk about......this is my second Charger. The 392 engine is a beast and the eight speed auto is perfectly matched to it. It's a blast to drive and possibly the best thing is it gets better gas mileage than my former 345 engine 2014. (Not that you buy one of these with gas mileage as a major consideration  ). It's a fun daily driver. |
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Post by leonski on Jun 17, 2017 20:39:06 GMT -5
My brother had the (HAD) the 3.0 EcoDiesel from Dodge. Darn thing blew UP. And his isn't the only one. Dodge has some real problems coming down the pipe with a lot of them on the road and many simply failing in service. The tow at the time of failure was well Under 1/2 the vehicle rating with Gross weight not even close to 1/2 rating. Best part of the deal was the ZF 8 speed auto. Beefed up for the over 400ft/lb of twist of the little diesel, it was smooth and accurate. At least until you got into the mountains where it apparently shifted down mercilessly. I don't know where the root cause / problem lies, but VMMotori, the engine manufacturer in Italy is going to suffer a real black eye not to mention potential liability. Give me a Mustang with the Same V-6 (650hp) as they are putting in the new Ford GT. Even that beautiful flat plane crank V-8 / 5.0 needs to go. Make it with a 6 or 7 speed dual Clutch and I'm good to go. All the power and such is worthless if you can't keep it out of the shop. I've had nothing but BAD luck with Ford. My Honda cars have always lasted well and the wife's Mazda sure feels like it'll go the distance. Yes, the Demon IS too 'one dimensional'. Lots of straight line, and probably better brakes and suspenders than the same philosophy car of the 60s and 70s. But still not a 'road racer'. i wish all the owners the best of luck, but I'm afraid that statistically most of the passangers are headed for the hospital and the cars for the scrap yard. S-2000 lap of Nurburgring. 8 minutes is really good for a steetable 2 liter car. Sabine Schmidt did about a 10minute + lap in a Ford Transit Van. I'd be curious to see a hotlap of the 'Ring in either the Hellcat OR Demon. www.s2ki.com/2017/05/04/honda-s2000-7-minute-nurburgring-lap/ |
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Post by roadwar on Jun 18, 2017 20:30:44 GMT -5
The S 2000 is a fantastic car. I never understood why Honda stopped making them and most of their really sporty cars (at least for US consumption). Only recently have they started reintroducing things like the Civic Type R (gosh awful bizarre looking but fast and handles great).
I think Chrysler decided to let their customers be the beta testers for the Eco diesel. I hope they've got most of the issues worked out now?
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Post by Axis on Jun 18, 2017 20:35:32 GMT -5
The S 2000 is a fantastic car. I never understood why Honda stopped making them and most of their really sporty cars (at least for US consumption). Only recently have they started reintroducing things like the Civic Type R (gosh awful bizarre looking but fast and handles great). I think Chrysler decided to let their customers be the beta testers for the Eco diesel. I hope they've got most of the issues worked out now? What does cars have to do with amplifier blades ? Get back on subject or the Mods will have to do it. I love cars so don't think it is just me ! |
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Post by leonski on Jun 19, 2017 5:35:50 GMT -5
I think the idea was to take some time off from the 'blades' issue since nothing was happening on THAT front.
Can always talk about cars, right? I started off equating a Dodge Demon w/800+hp with 600 watt amps with high sensitivity speakers.
Neither make much sense.
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Post by vneal on Jun 19, 2017 6:11:01 GMT -5
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Post by roadwar on Jun 19, 2017 8:03:54 GMT -5
Coming "soon"...............................
Some ask "why?" Some answer "why not?"
Leonski you're probably right. I'll save at least $ 1500 by not upgrading my amps this summer. More gas money, right?
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Post by roadwar on Jun 19, 2017 8:11:05 GMT -5
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