Try this with your speakers

[vneal]

Try this (stereo lovers only) Pull your speakers forward at least 4 -5 feet from the wall. I bet it sounds better

[simpleman68]

Makes virtually no difference for mine. (open baffle) I asked the designer about it and he said they could pretty much go right up against the wall without any detriment to SQ.

When I had other speakers though, it made a substantial difference and really opened up the sound stage and mid bass imaged a LOT better.
Scott

[pedrocols]

I currently have my speakers 55" from the wall and it really adds to the depth and imaging. I have moved these speakers more times than I can count.

[vneal]

Mar 25, 2017 15:04:42 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

I currently have my speakers 55" from the wall and it really adds to the depth and imaging. I have moved these speakers more times than I can count.

I know it is speaker and room dependent. My B&W speakers open up especially the depth--imaging-- and separation

[pedrocols]

Mar 25, 2017 15:15:01 GMT -5 vneal said:

Mar 25, 2017 15:04:42 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

I currently have my speakers 55" from the wall and it really adds to the depth and imaging. I have moved these speakers more times than I can count.

I know it is speaker and room dependent. My B&W speakers open up especially the depth--imaging-- and separation

Kind of creepy you can really tell where the instruments are.

[Boomzilla]

If you got the room, you lose the boom.

BZ

[mauriceminor]

Linkwitz Lab LXmini:
Front wall 43"
Each side wall 36"

Linkwitz Lab Pluto:
Front wall 96"
Each side wall 60"

Leonard Cohen's 2009 'Live in London' features 10 musicians
They are pretty much in a line on the stage in the O2 Arena
It's easy to tell where they are on both these systems

[gus4emo]

Mar 25, 2017 14:41:56 GMT -5 vneal said:

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Try this (stereo lovers only) Pull your speakers forward at least 4 -5 feet from the wall. I bet it sounds better

What about siting 4 to 5 feet closer, lol....

[gld3gld3]

If I moved my speakers that far out they would be half way into the room! Haha. Fortunately they sound good where they are 1 foot from the wall.

[Deleted]

You've often heard that the most important audio component is your room. And the room size, layout, and surfaces have an enormous impact on the sound of speakers playing in that room. What doesn't always get as much consideration is the size of your speakers, and how the designer expects those speakers will interact with your room. Larger speakers are often voiced to suit a larger room, because that is the size of room that they are intended to work within. But if you take that speaker and put it in a small room, the boundaries (floor, walls, ceiling) are closer, and the volume of the room is much smaller, which augments bass, and this can become "too much". This is also referred to as "overloading your room" - the speaker is designed to put out the amount of bass and low midrange energy that it takes to energize a large room, and that amount of energy in a small room leads to an over-blown bass sound, and "closed-in" or "thick" sounding midrange because of disproportionately more bass and low-midrange energy being present. This effect also diminishes the "focus" of the image. So in that case, going bigger with your speaker choice doesn't necessarily mean you're enjoying "better" performance.

If you have a room that is smaller than about 12' x 12' ("ish", and in terms of square footage) a speaker the size of our Airmotiv B1 or T1 may be more appropriate to your tastes. If you have a room larger than that, then you may get good results from either the T1 or T2 tower speaker. Rooms larger than 24' x 24' should make use of our T2 speaker - a large tower speaker with lots of woofer area and deeper bass. So what if you want deep bass in a tiny room? Add a compact subwoofer like our Airmotiv S10 or BasX S8, and turn the level up just as much as needed to give the desired amount of deep bass. Also, sometimes you will want to plug the port of the main speaker (you can use a rolled up sock or a piece of foam) to make integration of the subwoofer easier in a small room. The benefit to this approach is that the amount of bass is adjustable to suit the needs of your room, as well as your listening taste. Also in a smaller room you may want to use a lower crossover setting for the subwoofer than would be optimal in a larger room.

In addition to the effect on frequency response of moving your speakers further away from boundaries, there is an additional effect on flight time of reflections. Your brain uses something called the "precedence effect" to prioritize direct sounds instead of becoming confused by the sound of many reflections bouncing around, and there is a time delay involved with the precedence effect. When a speaker makes sound, a portion of that sound at lower midrange frequencies wraps around the side edges of the front panel of the cabinet, and is radiated into the room in odd directions, and some of that reflected sound bounces off nearby surfaces and returns to your ears within the time window of the precedence effect. Pulling the speaker away from the wall will increase the flight time of those reflections, and it becomes easier for your ear/brain system to distinguish between the direct and the reflected sound. So there's a psychoacoustic benefit to pulling your speakers away from the wall in addition to the beneficial effect on frequency response.

[novisnick]

Mar 25, 2017 22:17:49 GMT -5 @roryb said:

You've often heard that the most important audio component is your room. And the room size, layout, and surfaces have an enormous impact on the sound of speakers playing in that room. What doesn't always get as much consideration is the size of your speakers, and how the designer expects those speakers will interact with your room. Larger speakers are often voiced to suit a larger room, because that is the size of room that they are intended to work within. But if you take that speaker and put it in a small room, the boundaries (floor, walls, ceiling) are closer, and the volume of the room is much smaller, which augments bass, and this can become "too much". This is also referred to as "overloading your room" - the speaker is designed to put out the amount of bass and low midrange energy that it takes to energize a large room, and that amount of energy in a small room leads to an over-blown bass sound, and "closed-in" or "thick" sounding midrange because of disproportionately more bass and low-midrange energy being present. This effect also diminishes the "focus" of the image. So in that case, going bigger with your speaker choice doesn't necessarily mean you're enjoying "better" performance.

If you have a room that is smaller than about 12' x 12' ("ish", and in terms of square footage) a speaker the size of our Airmotiv B1 or T1 may be more appropriate to your tastes. If you have a room larger than that, then you may get good results from either the T1 or T2 tower speaker. Rooms larger than 24' x 24' should make use of our T2 speaker - a large tower speaker with lots of woofer area and deeper bass. So what if you want deep bass in a tiny room? Add a compact subwoofer like our Airmotiv S10 or BasX S8, and turn the level up just as much as needed to give the desired amount of deep bass. Also, sometimes you will want to plug the port of the main speaker (you can use a rolled up sock or a piece of foam) to make integration of the subwoofer easier in a small room. The benefit to this approach is that the amount of bass is adjustable to suit the needs of your room, as well as your listening taste. Also in a smaller room you may want to use a lower crossover setting for the subwoofer than would be optimal in a larger room.

In addition to the effect on frequency response of moving your speakers further away from boundaries, there is an additional effect on flight time of reflections. Your brain uses something called the "precedence effect" to prioritize direct sounds instead of becoming confused by the sound of many reflections bouncing around, and there is a time delay involved with the precedence effect. When a speaker makes sound, a portion of that sound at lower midrange frequencies wraps around the side edges of the front panel of the cabinet, and is radiated into the room in odd directions, and some of that reflected sound bounces off nearby surfaces and returns to your ears within the time window of the precedence effect. Pulling the speaker away from the wall will increase the flight time of those reflections, and it becomes easier for your ear/brain system to distinguish between the direct and the reflected sound. So there's a psychoacoustic benefit to pulling your speakers away from the wall in addition to the beneficial effect on frequency response.

Thanks @roryb so many people don't understand the relationship between speak and room size. I think your statement is well thought out and bery useful to many, new and some that have been around for some time. 👍

[novisnick]

My two cents on your setup with all due respect and love in my ❤️ heart!

You really want to change what you hear? Ex Ney the table and chair ney!!   

They are terrible reflections!! 


                                                             
I do realize you have to live there and space can be limited but try it, bet you'll love it! ❤️ 

[vneal]

In this room I actually cover the table with a moving blanket for serious listening. But you are right.

And to the right is a couch not a chair

Listening position is 9 feet in front of the speakers. Two chairs in the middle of a 14' x 20' foot room,

[405x5]

That's a solution which has been around for decades.
The end result varies with driver configuration within box type speaker enclosures.

Roy Allison had done exhaustive study and research on the effect of room boundaries on loudspeaker performance.

The end result was a lineup of systems that are designed to be up against the wall and three to four feet away from the corner. This design utilized the room as a part of the system.

Bill

[mauriceminor]

If you have corners there is always the Klipschorn

[405x5]

Mar 26, 2017 11:47:43 GMT -5 mauriceminor said:

If you have corners there is always the Klipschorn

Or, the Allison Three also designed for corner placement.

Bill

[405x5]

Never saw High Performance ignition parts as part of an equip. list... what's with that? (car or boat?)

[creimes]

I'm not sure if I can trust this vneal dude, I don't see any acoustic panels in that room haha

[vneal]

They are in the back. Live end dead end

[klinemj]

I've experimented heavily with distance from the back wall with my Maggies, and ~3.5' is clearly best. Closer tends to get boomy and further I lose imaging. I measured the placements and wrote them down so when my wife inevitably moves the speakers I can put them back without having to experiment again.

Mark