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Post by rbk123 on May 25, 2017 8:38:56 GMT -5
To answer your question rbk123, Emo-Q recognizes the extra two rear-surround speakers & either synthesizes what it thinks should be there or else doubles the side speakers into both side & rear (when playing 5.1 sources). Either way, the sound-field is significantly more homogenous with the extra 2 speakers. I don't believe it answers my question. I would like to know specifically what codecs are being used for HD 5.1->7.1 fill; since PLIIX and DTS are non-HD, what are the HD codecs? I doubt Emo-Q is even involved (it's an equalizer not a codec). It's not used for DD/DTS 5.1/7.1 tracks (which uses PIIX and DTS to synthesize per Keith) so I would be surprised if it's used for the more sophisticated HD tracks. As usual of course I could be wrong. |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 25, 2017 9:49:04 GMT -5
I think the product specifications page lists the codecs that the MC-700 uses.
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Post by thrillcat on May 25, 2017 10:14:19 GMT -5
To answer your question rbk123 , Emo-Q recognizes the extra two rear-surround speakers & either synthesizes what it thinks should be there or else doubles the side speakers into both side & rear (when playing 5.1 sources). Either way, the sound-field is significantly more homogenous with the extra 2 speakers. I would like to know specifically what codecs are being used for HD 5.1->7.1 fill; since PLIIX and DTS are non-HD, what are the HD codecs? Specifically, if you play a 5.1 DTS-MA or TrueHD source, it would play that source direct through the 5.1 channels and use PLIIX to create the extra 2 channels. That's how PLIIX works, it's not specific to Emotiva products. |
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Post by rbk123 on May 25, 2017 13:09:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't have expected them to use PLIIx for HD fill, but if that's what they use then that's what they use. Didn't think it would be Emo-q.
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Post by KeithL on May 25, 2017 14:58:36 GMT -5
EmoQ is a measurement and calibration feature. PLIIx is Dolby's surround sound matrix and synthesis CODEC. DTS has an equivalent one - DTS-ES Matrix. Both can be used to make surround sound from stereo; or to "fluff up" 51. to 7.1. I wouldn't have expected them to use PLIIx for HD fill, but if that's what they use then that's what they use. Didn't think it would be Emo-q. |
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Post by KeithL on May 25, 2017 15:00:09 GMT -5
It uses PLIIx or DTS-ES Matrix to synthesize the extra two channels from the ones you have. 2) By default, the MC-700 will try to match your input to your speakers (so, if you play a 5.1 source, but have 7.1 speakers, it will use PLIIx or the DTS equivalent to synthesize the remaining two channels.) What does it do for 5.1 HD source in a 7.1 setup? |
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Post by rbk123 on May 26, 2017 8:04:37 GMT -5
EmoQ is a measurement and calibration feature. PLIIx is Dolby's surround sound matrix and synthesis CODEC. DTS has an equivalent one - DTS-ES Matrix. Both can be used to make surround sound from stereo; or to "fluff up" 51. to 7.1. I didn't think EmoQ could synthesize anything, good to know, and clearly Boom was much closer to the mark than I. Thanks. |
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Post by leefdalucky on May 26, 2017 12:35:39 GMT -5
Is anyone else experiencing the annoying popping when pausing, fast forwarding, and rewinding during playback through an AppleTV Gen4? It's driving my wife and I crazy. I have heard the audio drop out but rarely. Well, i decided to upgrade my AppleTV gen2 and installed a ATV4 last night to my MC-700. As Donny was saying there is indeed a lot of popping and re-sync'ing going on. I'm not sure why, since the ATV2 was actually pretty stable (sonically). Then i starting doing a search on the proper audio settings and wound up feeling worse about the whole situation. I think i'll experiment a bit and see which audio sounds the best. I watched a bit of NetFlix last night with the "Dolby Digital" setting on (as opposed to "Best Quality Available"). ATV4 is definitely fast though. Gotta love that wireless AC. |
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Post by donnyb on May 26, 2017 12:42:13 GMT -5
Is anyone else experiencing the annoying popping when pausing, fast forwarding, and rewinding during playback through an AppleTV Gen4? It's driving my wife and I crazy. I have heard the audio drop out but rarely. Well, i decided to upgrade my AppleTV gen2 and installed a ATV4 last night to my MC-700. As Donny was saying there is indeed a lot of popping and re-sync'ing going on. I'm not sure why, since the ATV2 was actually pretty stable (sonically). Then i starting doing a search on the proper audio settings and wound up feeling worse about the whole situation. I think i'll experiment a bit and see which audio sounds the best. I watched a bit of NetFlix last night with the "Dolby Digital" setting on (as opposed to "Best Quality Available"). ATV4 is definitely fast though. Gotta love that wireless AC. I order some certified hdmi cables. I'll let you know if that fixes the problem. I also switched to Dolby Digital hoping that would fix the problem. Seem that anytime I pause something in an app the audio drops out. When switch from an app to the main menu the audio also drops out. |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 26, 2017 13:42:05 GMT -5
Does anyone have any idea why the following occur: 1. The TV identifies the MC-700 as HDMI/DVI instead of just HDMI 2. Sometimes the on-screen menu won't come up. Powering down the MC-700 & powering it up again usually (but not always) seems to restore the OSD - I read this whole thread and will try input switching to reset the OSD 3. Sometimes the "mode" button on the remote will cycle the processor through the available modes (stereo, all-stereo, direct, Dolby-whatever, etc.), but sometimes it won't 4. There doesn't seem to be a way in the parametric equalizer options to apply equalization to the front R/L speakers simultaneously. I can equalize Front Left for example, with EQ-1, but then I have to go to EQ-2 to apply equalization to Front Right 5. There doesn't seem to be any way to activate more than one of the parametric equalizer options at a time in the OSD 6. I also experience occasional audio dropouts (both in movies and in stereo streaming) 7. A trick I got from novisnick - Use the "audio only" HDMI output from my Oppo to feed the MC-700; use the "A/V" HDMI output from my Oppo to feed the TV directly. That way, the TV is up for whatever video comes its way without needing to go through the MC-700. The MC-700 needs only decode the audio - not stream the video too. Then I connect the MC-700's HDMI output to the TV on another input jack. That allows me to see the processor's OSD (when it works). boomzilla |
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Post by jolaca on May 26, 2017 16:56:52 GMT -5
Does anyone have any idea why the following occur: 1. The TV identifies the MC-700 as HDMI/DVI instead of just HDMI 2. Sometimes the on-screen menu won't come up. Powering down the MC-700 & powering it up again usually (but not always) seems to restore the OSD - I read this whole thread and will try input switching to reset the OSD 3. Sometimes the "mode" button on the remote will cycle the processor through the available modes (stereo, all-stereo, direct, Dolby-whatever, etc.), but sometimes it won't 4. There doesn't seem to be a way in the parametric equalizer options to apply equalization to the front R/L speakers simultaneously. I can equalize Front Left for example, with EQ-1, but then I have to go to EQ-2 to apply equalization to Front Right 5. There doesn't seem to be any way to activate more than one of the parametric equalizer options at a time in the OSD 6. I also experience occasional audio dropouts (both in movies and in stereo streaming) 7. A trick I got from novisnick - Use the "audio only" HDMI output from my Oppo to feed the MC-700; use the "A/V" HDMI output from my Oppo to feed the TV directly. That way, the TV is up for whatever video comes its way without needing to go through the MC-700. The MC-700 needs only decode the audio - not stream the video too. Then I connect the MC-700's HDMI output to the TV on another input jack. That allows me to see the processor's OSD (when it works). boomzilla 2. Never had a problem with the menu. Always comes up. Is it on 2.9 firmware? 3. My mode button works always it only doesn't cycle if there's no audio, otherwise it works fine. 4. That's true, it's like it is. SQ with good speakers and amps is awesome but menu layout is definitely not the best. ;-) 5. Same as 4. 6. Try the suggested solutions from this thread: better and certified hdmi cables, is the heat sink already installed??. Fingers crossed but my MC700 hasn't had any dropout yet. I think that issues from comments 2, 3 and 6 shouldn't happen, could it be a defective unit?. BTW you haven't commented wether your 'too much bass issue' was solved or not by deactivating that double bass option. Hope you can get to enjoy your unit! |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 26, 2017 18:13:37 GMT -5
2. Never had a problem with the menu. Always comes up. Is it on 2.9 firmware? 3. My mode button works always it only doesn't cycle if there's no audio, otherwise it works fine. 4. That's true, it's like it is. SQ with good speakers and amps is awesome but menu layout is definitely not the best. ;-) 5. Same as 4. 6. Try the suggested solutions from this thread: better and certified hdmi cables, is the heat sink already installed??. Fingers crossed but my MC700 hasn't had any dropout yet. I think that issues from comments 2, 3 and 6 shouldn't happen, could it be a defective unit?. BTW you haven't commented wether your 'too much bass issue' was solved or not by deactivating that double bass option. Hope you can get to enjoy your unit! I'd imagine that it would be 2.9 firmware, but I'll check to make sure. I'd also think that either the heat sink is no longer necessary on the latest runs of the processor or that the sinks (if needed) are already installed. All cables are high-speed certified, top-of-their-line from Monoprice. I also have some far more expensive certified HDMI cables from Radio Shag (I've yet to try those). I'd lastly suspect that this particular processor was tested & checked at the factory prior to shipment. I doubt that it is defective. Thanks for the feedback. |
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Post by rbk123 on May 27, 2017 11:55:50 GMT -5
If yours is 2.9, which it should be, it'll have the heatsink so I'm sure you're right. Others mention the occasional dropout but I don't experience them (only occasional audio loss and/or video loss whenever it resinks HDMI (i.e. changing channels or changing source). Can you list your other components (TV - is it 4k?) and which inputs/outputs you are using on the MC? The first 3 won't do OSD if it thinks the TV is 2k or higher, but will if it thinks it's 1080 which could be the cause of your intermittent OSD (ie. sometimes it thinks it's 1080 and sometimes it thinks it is higher). Also, the processor can get overtaxed and there is a delay in response from remote commands, so make sure you wait enough before giving up on the OSD popping (you can see this when adjusting the volume at times). For input/output HDMI specifics - see Lonnie's posts in this thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/49169/mc700-trouble?page=1No one has posted about using the parametric EQ so far that I've seen (other than either EmoQ questions or how tedious it is to input all the settings via the remote), so I believe you are covering new ground here. |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 27, 2017 12:47:22 GMT -5
SOURCE: Oppo UDP-205 / Macbook Pro OS-X running jRiver 22 for Mac
CONNECTIONS: From MacBook to Oppo - CAT-10 Eehernet with gigabit switches on both ends / From Oppo to processor and from Oppo to TV - Monoprice Certified High-Speed HDMI
PROCESSOR: Emotiva MC-700 latest
CONNECTIONS: From processor to power amp - BlueJeans Cable ½ meter RCA / From processor to subs - AudioQuest 2-meter RCAs
AMP: Emotiva A-500 5-channel & A-300 2-channel (used on front R/L)
SPEAKERS: Fronts & Center - Emotiva LCR / Side & rear surrounds - BASX surround speakers
TV: Samsung 4K SUHD 65" model UN65JS8500FXZA
I have no video dropouts (and didn't even when I was daisy-chaining the MC-700 between the Oppo & the TV). I get occasional audio dropouts both in streaming stereo & when playing movie discs (4K or BluRay). Since I've never had dropouts with the audio before, I suspect that it's the MC-700. My PT-100 had no dropouts.
That said, the audio dropouts are rare (one or two per movie, maybe), and they're not long enough to be distracting, even. But they're noticeable if you're listening for them.
Just to be on the safe side, I'll switch out the HDMI cables today to other high-speed certified (new) cables & see if the behavior changes.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 27, 2017 13:01:02 GMT -5
SOURCE: Oppo UDP-205 / Macbook Pro OS-X running jRiver 22 for Mac CONNECTIONS: From MacBook to Oppo - CAT-10 Eehernet with gigabit switches on both ends / From Oppo to processor and from Oppo to TV - Monoprice Certified High-Speed HDMI PROCESSOR: Emotiva MC-700 latest CONNECTIONS: From processor to power amp - BlueJeans Cable ½ meter RCA / From processor to subs - AudioQuest 2-meter RCAs AMP: Emotiva A-500 5-channel & A-300 2-channel (used on front R/L) SPEAKERS: Fronts & Center - Emotiva LCR / Side & rear surrounds - BASX surround speakers TV: Samsung 4K SUHD 65" model UN65JS8500FXZA I have no video dropouts (and didn't even when I was daisy-chaining the MC-700 between the Oppo & the TV). I get occasional audio dropouts both in streaming stereo & when playing movie discs (4K or BluRay). Since I've never had dropouts with the audio before, I suspect that it's the MC-700. My PT-100 had no dropouts. That said, the audio dropouts are rare (one or two per movie, maybe), and they're not long enough to be distracting, even. But they're noticeable if you're listening for them. Just to be on the safe side, I'll switch out the HDMI cables today to other high-speed certified (new) cables & see if the behavior changes. Boom, Curious as to why you run jriver through the oppo instead of direct to the processor? |
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Post by rbk123 on May 27, 2017 13:04:16 GMT -5
SOURCE: Oppo UDP-205 / Macbook Pro OS-X running jRiver 22 for Mac CONNECTIONS: From MacBook to Oppo - CAT-10 Eehernet with gigabit switches on both ends / From Oppo to processor and from Oppo to TV - Monoprice Certified High-Speed HDMI PROCESSOR: Emotiva MC-700 latest CONNECTIONS: From processor to power amp - BlueJeans Cable ½ meter RCA / From processor to subs - AudioQuest 2-meter RCAs AMP: Emotiva A-500 5-channel & A-300 2-channel (used on front R/L) SPEAKERS: Fronts & Center - Emotiva LCR / Side & rear surrounds - BASX surround speakers TV: Samsung 4K SUHD 65" model UN65JS8500FXZA Which HDMI inputs are you using (by number on the MC) and which output? |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 27, 2017 13:24:31 GMT -5
Boom, Curious as to why you run jriver through the oppo instead of direct to the processor? Because I stream my audio via Ethernet. The Oppo offers an Ethernet input with DLNA streaming - the MC-700 doesn't. |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 27, 2017 13:26:30 GMT -5
Which HDMI inputs are you using (by number on the MC) and which output? Audio only goes into HDMI #1 input on the MC-700. The MC-700's #1 HDMI output goes to input #4 of the Samsung. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 27, 2017 13:29:26 GMT -5
Which HDMI inputs are you using (by number on the MC) and which output? Audio only goes into HDMI #1 input on the MC-700. The MC-700's #1 HDMI output goes to input #4 of the Samsung. Ok, I stream via the pc through jriver. Thanks for the info |
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Post by rbk123 on May 27, 2017 15:08:22 GMT -5
Audio only goes into HDMI #1 input on the MC-700. The MC-700's #1 HDMI output goes to input #4 of the Samsung. The OSD issue would be whether your TV is in 1080 mode or not (4k). You could try the Audio going to HDMI 4-6 for your streaming and non-4k movies, just to see if you get any dropouts there. My guess is the dropouts are tied to the 4k capable chips (inputs 1-3). |
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