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Post by Casey Leedom on May 9, 2017 11:02:17 GMT -5
Ah, but what about DSDx8? :-)
Just kidding. I don't really care about DSD, but my friend keeps adding it to our collection. But mostly DSDx1.
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Post by qdtjni on May 9, 2017 12:13:48 GMT -5
That's why I want USB 3.0. But that's pushing this beyond the Raspberry Pi as it's configured now, so this is probably a Thread Hijack. Sorry! Casey Does USB 3.0 exist on any audio devices yet? iFi uses USB 3.0 on some of their devices. |
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Post by KeithL on May 9, 2017 13:13:39 GMT -5
I've got to admit I haven't looked closely at Roon.... mostly because I have zero interest in all their cool deep content (I just want to play music). HOWEVER, I think you need to put the price into a more reasonable perspective. It's not at all unusual these days to spend a lot more for the software you use on your computer than what you spend on the computer itself. And there's plenty of software out there that costs a lot more than $500. Therefore, if it really works well for you, then $100 a year, or $500 for life, doesn't seem that bad at all. If you are talking about one box as in your music library resides on the same box as your player and is not on a separate server, then your HTPC is likely the best readily-available solution but you just may not be using the right software. I'd suggest an SSD running a Linux-based OS and Roon Core. You can control this using any manner of phone tablet or PC and the Roon Control interface. I am indeed talking 1 box for my whole library...and I have looked at Roon. Nice, but crazy pricey. Short of that, I am left with my PC and the display woes I have documented elsewhere on the Lounge. If you are talking about Sonos-like functionality in a device controlling your library that is housed in a server elsewhere in your network (or on an NAS)... "Sonos-like" is key. And by that, I mean the way Sonos lists all the source options and allows choice from them in a single user-friendly interface. For me, it does not need the multi-room integration Sonos offers as my needs for other rooms can be met via Sonos at this point. Controllable via an easy and reliable interface available via my phone tablet is a must. Emotiva jumping into this market would require something very "special" indeed to differentiate themselves from the pack. Yep. Exactly my point. If it doesn't do what I lay out, I likely won't be interested. Others may. But me? No. Mark |
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Post by wilburthegoose on May 9, 2017 15:04:49 GMT -5
FWIW, Roon plays with my XMC-1 perfectly "out of the box".
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Post by klinemj on May 9, 2017 15:12:14 GMT -5
I've got to admit I haven't looked closely at Roon.... mostly because I have zero interest in all their cool deep content (I just want to play music). HOWEVER, I think you need to put the price into a more reasonable perspective. It's not at all unusual these days to spend a lot more for the software you use on your computer than what you spend on the computer itself. And there's plenty of software out there that costs a lot more than $500. Therefore, if it really works well for you, then $100 a year, or $500 for life, doesn't seem that bad at all. So, you'll buy it for me then!?!?!?!?  Seriously though...$500 is a lot of cash considering Sonos' interface is pretty darn sweet and the hardware + software cost is <$500, depending on the unit you buy. And, jRiver which is also an awfully sweet interface is, what...$50? And, like you - I don't care a bit about the deep content Roon includes. If I want to learn more about an artist while listening to music, I have a tablet near me and can surf the web on that! Mark |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 9, 2017 15:41:41 GMT -5
I've got to admit I haven't looked closely at Roon.... mostly because I have zero interest in all their cool deep content (I just want to play music). HOWEVER, I think you need to put the price into a more reasonable perspective. It's not at all unusual these days to spend a lot more for the software you use on your computer than what you spend on the computer itself. And there's plenty of software out there that costs a lot more than $500. Therefore, if it really works well for you, then $100 a year, or $500 for life, doesn't seem that bad at all. So, you'll buy it for me then!?!?!?!? Seriously though...$500 is a lot of cash considering Sonos' interface is pretty darn sweet and the hardware + software cost is <$500, depending on the unit you buy. And, jRiver which is also an awfully sweet interface is, what...$50? And, like you - I don't care a bit about the deep content Roon includes. If I want to learn more about an artist while listening to music, I have a tablet near me and can surf the web on that! Mark FWIW, jriver does everything I want on my htpc, including movies from my server. Not sure what I am missing? |
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Post by Casey Leedom on May 9, 2017 16:02:18 GMT -5
As far as I know, all of the software for the various Streaming Music Client-side software is free. And that includes Roon. Roon makes its money by charging for access to their Deep Content. Their own phone/pad applications probably insist on this connection, but one could probably implement one's own Roon Controller which implemented the RAAT protocol. But that would be stupid. If you don't care about the Deep Content, just use the Squeeze or DLNA Clients. Either the Deep COntent is useful/interesting to you or it isn't. And if it is, then Roon has spent a lot of resources building it up, so why wouldn't you be happy to pay them for it.
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Post by DYohn on May 9, 2017 16:17:16 GMT -5
As far as I know, all of the software for the various Streaming Music Client-side software is free. And that includes Roon. Roon makes its money by charging for access to their Deep Content. Their own phone/pad applications probably insist on this connection, but one could probably implement one's own Roon Controller which implemented the RAAT protocol. But that would be stupid. If you don't care about the Deep Content, just use the Squeeze or DLNA Clients. Either the Deep COntent is useful/interesting to you or it isn't. And if it is, then Roon has spent a lot of resources building it up, so why wouldn't you be happy to pay them for it. Casey Just as an aside, in my system RAAT sounds MUCH better than the Squeeze protocol. I was shocked by this, and it was the main factor that made me remove LMS and convert to a Roon based system - and why I have no problem paying for it. |
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Post by klinemj on May 9, 2017 16:21:13 GMT -5
FWIW, jriver does everything I want on my htpc, including movies from my server. Not sure what I am missing? See this thread for the main thing I am trying to solve for... -->LINK,--Then also see my comments in this thread about desiring an "all in 1 solution" which does what my Sonos does + what my PC does (which includes playing Tidal Masters, which Sonos does not do...). Mark |
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Post by Casey Leedom on May 9, 2017 19:37:06 GMT -5
Just as an aside, in my system RAAT sounds MUCH better than the Squeeze protocol. I was shocked by this, and it was the main factor that made me remove LMS and convert to a Roon based system - and why I have no problem paying for it. Hhmmm, if nothing else changed — I.e. the hardware path is 100% identical — then the most likely cause of that would be the Squeeze Server resampling the source files down for your Squeeze Client when it didn't have to. The Squeeze Server needs to know the maximum capability of the Squeeze Client so it can do this. For instance, I believe that my Squeeze Touch needs to have anything greater than 96kHz/24bit to be resampled down to that max in order to be handled — regardless of the capabilities of the downstream DAC (a DMC-1 in my case). Casey |
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Post by DYohn on May 10, 2017 8:54:17 GMT -5
Just as an aside, in my system RAAT sounds MUCH better than the Squeeze protocol. I was shocked by this, and it was the main factor that made me remove LMS and convert to a Roon based system - and why I have no problem paying for it. Hhmmm, if nothing else changed — I.e. the hardware path is 100% identical — then the most likely cause of that would be the Squeeze Server resampling the source files down for your Squeeze Client when it didn't have to. The Squeeze Server needs to know the maximum capability of the Squeeze Client so it can do this. For instance, I believe that my Squeeze Touch needs to have anything greater than 96kHz/24bit to be resampled down to that max in order to be handled — regardless of the capabilities of the downstream DAC (a DMC-1 in my case). Casey No resampling involved in the chain, almost all of my library is 16/44 and that's what I was using for the test. The only thing that changed between the file on my server hard drive and my ears was the software, and the improvement was marked. The Roon server-player combo was far superior to anything I ever heard using Squeeze (and I am no longer using a Squeezebox, I was using a Squeezelite player on a Sonore Microrendu. Just switched it to Roon instead and BAM.) I can't explain it - indeed I don't need to, I just know it's far better and I'm not going back. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on May 10, 2017 10:12:43 GMT -5
Ah, so part of the hardware chain did change. What's the microRendu feeding? And are you using a different link? USB versus Optical S/PDIF for example? Perhaps the DAC isn't doing asynchronous reclocking on the input digital data, or on one of its digital inputs versus another if the cabling was changed.
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Post by DYohn on May 10, 2017 12:04:23 GMT -5
Ah, so part of the hardware chain did change. What's the microRendu feeding? And are you using a different link? USB versus Optical S/PDIF for example? Perhaps the DAC isn't doing asynchronous reclocking on the input digital data, or on one of its digital inputs versus another if the cabling was changed. Casey What? Nothing changed, I don't know what you are talking about. The Microrendu was running Squeezelite and the server LMS before the change to ROON. Only the software changed. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on May 10, 2017 17:00:19 GMT -5
Ah, sorry, I misinterpreted your earlier note. I didn't realize you were running your Squeeze Server to your microRendu. My bad.
In that case, I'm back to the Squeeze Server resampling. Digital data is digital data.
But if you hear a change that you like, that's goo no matter what the reason.
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