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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 16, 2018 18:10:41 GMT -5
I want to see the thin client streamer as a stand alone device that could be used to provide a digital out to a DAC of my choice. I don't want it to have anything else...no headphone amp, no DAC, no nothing...just "Stream me up Scotty!" (And Tidal has to be able to find it...) This is already available via Raspberry Pi and similar solutions for less than $100. I'm not sure there's any benefit to have Emotiva bother doing this unless they go the route of offering dubious branded benefits for inflated prices like the Sonore microRendu which retails for $640 but should really cost something more like $65. My only desire for having such a "Thin Client" in the RMC-1 itself is simply to decrease clutter. But if that isn't available, I'll just buy a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ and install Ropieee on it. Total cost, something on the order of $65 (Raspberry Pi 3 B+, SD card, power supply). Casey |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 16, 2018 20:29:24 GMT -5
I want to see the thin client streamer as a stand alone device that could be used to provide a digital out to a DAC of my choice. I don't want it to have anything else...no headphone amp, no DAC, no nothing...just "Stream me up Scotty!" (And Tidal has to be able to find it...) This is already available via Raspberry Pi and similar solutions for less than $100. I'm not sure there's any benefit to have Emotiva bother doing this unless they go the route of offering dubious branded benefits for inflated prices like the Sonore microRendu which retails for $640 but should really cost something more like $65. My only desire for having such a "Thin Client" in the RMC-1 itself is simply to decrease clutter. But if that isn't available, I'll just buy a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ and install Ropieee on it. Total cost, something on the order of $65 (Raspberry Pi 3 B+, SD card, power supply). Casey Have you read my thread on trying to use a Pi for this? Specifically - getting Tidal to see the Pi? I've bought a Pi, got it working for some things but not for Tidal in a satisfactory way. If you have cracked the nut on how to do that, let me know details. FYI, this is why I added the comment "And Tidal has to be able to find it..." Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 16, 2018 20:33:26 GMT -5
I thought WiFi was already in it based on the WiFi symbol on the back of the unit. Although nothing was ever confiremd. I am not 100% sure, but...I think what you saw on that was related to the expansion module I referred to. Having only heard Emotiva describe it, I have never seen one. But, I recall the photo you are referring to - and I was thinking "that's the expansion module with the thin client streamer!" I may be wrong, but... Mark |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 16, 2018 20:50:32 GMT -5
Mark ( klinemj), with the RoPieee distribution you end up with a Roon Endpoint, so it just works via Roon with it's integrated Tidal support. That's the only experience I have. I presume you could also get a Squeeze Client on it, but I'm not sure that gets you any closer. Casey |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 16, 2018 20:58:05 GMT -5
Mark ( klinemj), with the RoPieee distribution you end up with a Roon Endpoint, so it just works via Roon with it's integrated Tidal support. That's the only experience I have. I presume you could also get a Squeeze Client on it, but I'm not sure that gets you any closer. Casey But, then you end up needing Roon (correct?), which is pricey. My best solution to date is that I bought a $125 PC with W10Pro on it, installed Tidal and JRiver on it, and I use my Surface Pro 3 to do remote desktop to control Tidal and JRiver and send USB out from the PC to my DC-1. Works great and it cheap. Also, have you actually done what you are saying? Or have you just read about it? I've been finding there's a lot people say they can do with a Pi, but it doesn't always work like people say. Mark |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 16, 2018 21:17:35 GMT -5
Yes, using the Raspberry Pi RoPieee Roon Endpoint would indeed require you to have Roon.
Still, I find it hard to believe that there isn't some kind of equivalent Tidal solution which would work for your JRiver environment. The Raspberry Pi is just a small cheap computer with a fairly good complement of I/O Connectivity. I see several references to JRiver and Raspberry Pi in a simple search ...
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Post by klinemj on Mar 16, 2018 21:42:12 GMT -5
Yes, using the Raspberry Pi RoPieee Roon Endpoint would indeed require you to have Roon. Still, I find it hard to believe that there isn't some kind of equivalent Tidal solution which would work for your JRiver environment. The Raspberry Pi is just a small cheap computer with a fairly good complement of I/O Connectivity. I see several references to JRiver and Raspberry Pi in a simple search ... Casey Yes - There has been a lot of discussion out there, but when you dig into it...there's nothing I have found yet that works. The Pi folks were supposed to be working on the Tidal Plug-in, (like their Spotify Plugin), but they dropped it. JRiver was rumored to have options for Tidal, but there are no working ones. There is some driver you can install that is rumored to be able to get Tidal to play through JRiver, but all reports say it doesn't work well and has lots of issues. I was able to get JRiver to work with the Pi because JRiver "sees" the Pi as a viable audio output device. Tidal does not. On the other hand, Tidal does "see" my LH Labs Geek Pulse X Infinity and my DC-1 as options that Tidal thinks of as "speakers/output devices". But, it does not "see" my Pi. Get one yourself and try to make it work the way I describe. When you figure it out, let me know. That said - if what Emotiva said their solution would do actually works as planned - it would be great. And, I personally expect pricing at <$100 and size to be in line with something like the Pi or the XPS-1 phono stage. In fact, I would not be surprised if it was Pi-based with custom Linux-based Pi code. Ray did have a "Linux for Dummies" book on his shelf and has been learning it for the XMC-1/RMC-1. But, that's totally a guess...if they write the code and it works, I'd pay for it. Mark |
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Post by junchoon on Mar 16, 2018 22:50:48 GMT -5
Wish list for expansion module:
1) one more set of XLR inputs, or
2) phono stage with RCA+XLR like what Aqvox is offering
Actually I am not sure the logic of the RCA inputs in the case of RMC-1, since there is no rca output anyway except the zone 2. The rca inputs should have been a second set of xlr inputs instead.
My understanding is that Emotiva will includes rca to xlr converters for the outputs anyway. Then why not the inputs change to xlr as well and just provide the converters?
Just my 2cents.
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Post by kybourbon on Mar 16, 2018 23:06:06 GMT -5
Mark ( klinemj), with the RoPieee distribution you end up with a Roon Endpoint, so it just works via Roon with it's integrated Tidal support. That's the only experience I have. I presume you could also get a Squeeze Client on it, but I'm not sure that gets you any closer. Casey But, then you end up needing Roon (correct?), which is pricey. My best solution to date is that I bought a $125 PC with W10Pro on it, installed Tidal and JRiver on it, and I use my Surface Pro 3 to do remote desktop to control Tidal and JRiver and send USB out from the PC to my DC-1. Works great and it cheap. Also, have you actually done what you are saying? Or have you just read about it? I've been finding there's a lot people say they can do with a Pi, but it doesn't always work like people say. Mark The Ropiee with Roon just works. It's a lot like Sonos in the way that the software just works and is incredibly stable. Btw... I have 2 Pis running RoPieee hooked up to 2 XMC-1s |
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Post by cwt on Mar 17, 2018 1:32:57 GMT -5
I think the odds are good if Emo maybe noticed an earlier query ;
And subsequently the cat5 solution mentioned in the last podcast ; how hard would a expansion card option be ..
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 17, 2018 6:26:40 GMT -5
But, then you end up needing Roon (correct?), which is pricey. My best solution to date is that I bought a $125 PC with W10Pro on it, installed Tidal and JRiver on it, and I use my Surface Pro 3 to do remote desktop to control Tidal and JRiver and send USB out from the PC to my DC-1. Works great and it cheap. Also, have you actually done what you are saying? Or have you just read about it? I've been finding there's a lot people say they can do with a Pi, but it doesn't always work like people say. Mark The Ropiee with Roon just works. It's a lot like Sonos in the way that the software just works and is incredibly stable. Btw... I have 2 Pis running RoPieee hooked up to 2 XMC-1sI'm curious, what does the pi provide that Mark's set up doesn't? |
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Post by kybourbon on Mar 17, 2018 6:54:18 GMT -5
The Ropiee with Roon just works. It's a lot like Sonos in the way that the software just works and is incredibly stable. Btw... I have 2 Pis running RoPieee hooked up to 2 XMC-1sI'm curious, what does the pi provide that Mark's set up doesn't? It's cheaper and much less cumbersome. Instead of logging in to a computer remotely you just pull up the Roon app on your phone or tablet. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 17, 2018 7:00:00 GMT -5
It's cheaper and much less cumbersome. Instead of logging in to a computer remotely you just pull up the Roon app on your phone or tablet. Jrivers gizmo works on my tablet and phone as well as the harmony app or remote perform most pc control, what would be different? |
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Post by kybourbon on Mar 17, 2018 11:33:30 GMT -5
It's cheaper and much less cumbersome. Instead of logging in to a computer remotely you just pull up the Roon app on your phone or tablet. Jrivers gizmo works on my tablet and phone as well as the harmony app or remote perform most pc control, what would be different? Can you use Tidal through JRiver? I have both JRiver and Roon and much prefer Roon. YMMV. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 17, 2018 11:37:59 GMT -5
Jrivers gizmo works on my tablet and phone as well as the harmony app or remote perform most pc control, what would be different? Can you use Tidal through JRiver? I have both JRiver and Roon and much prefer Roon. YMMV. Tidal plays through jriver, I wasn't overly impessed with tidal |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 17, 2018 12:08:43 GMT -5
By the way, regarding the cost of Roon: The Roon license is $120/year or $500/life. In comparison, Tidal is $10/month ($120/year) for normal resolution (320Kb/s), $20/month ($240/year) for high-resolution (FLAC, ALAC, MQA). So the high-resolution Tidal subscription is more than that for Roon. Since I had friends who'd already gone for Roon and said they liked it, I just paid $500 for the lifetime license.
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Post by malba2366 on Mar 17, 2018 15:17:10 GMT -5
Ideally I would like to see a bluesound add on card. Their user interface is really good and they offer MQA. Probably a slim chance though since bluesound is owned by the same company as NAD. Roon card would be nice too, but for MQA to work fully with Roon Emotiva would have to get their DAC certified by MQA to do the full processing. Roon can only do the first unfold without a certified DAC.
WiFI card may be nice for some, but it would probably be a lot more expensive than just using a router in bridge mode. Also may create internal interference from Wifi radios which may not be a huge deal in a $700 AV receiver but in a $5000 processor could be noticeable in higher end setups.
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Post by malba2366 on Mar 17, 2018 15:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by jagman on Apr 7, 2018 20:42:02 GMT -5
I would like an option for one of the expansion bays to have 4 XLR outs that run their own bass management system with its own version of Dirac. That way one could have 9.4.6 Atmos plus an extra XLR out for VOG (if they work out a deal with Auro3D).
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Post by putzgrilous on Apr 8, 2018 20:43:18 GMT -5
I would like to see a expansion module that gives a digital out (spdif) for each channel. Then I could use the digital in of my amps and avoid a AD/DA convertion...
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