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Post by copperband on Nov 27, 2017 17:09:16 GMT -5
got my first 4K movie with HDR - Logan.
when I press display button it shows 1080/24f and HDR -> SDR on top left hand corner of the screen. Bottom of screen shows ultra blue ray. Questions:
-why it shows 1080 instead of 2160 which is the 4K resolution?
-What is HDR -> SDR means?
I want to make sure I am getting the benefit of 4K resolution + HDR...My TV = Samsung JS 8500 which is HDR capable
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Post by novisnick on Nov 27, 2017 17:32:56 GMT -5
got my first 4K movie with HDR - Logan. when I press display button it shows 1080/24f and HDR -> SDR on top left hand corner of the screen. Bottom of screen shows ultra blue ray. Questions: -why it shows 1080 instead of 2160 which is the 4K resolution? -What is HDR -> SDR means? I want to make sure I am getting the benefit of 4K resolution + HDR...My TV = Samsung JS 8500 which is HDR capable Check the resolution of the tv, is it set to automatic or 1080? Check settings on player as well. One more thing, some TVs hdmi inputs are not4 K compatible. Make sure your using the proper input. Good luck |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 27, 2017 17:40:51 GMT -5
got my first 4K movie with HDR - Logan. when I press display button it shows 1080/24f and HDR -> SDR on top left hand corner of the screen. Bottom of screen shows ultra blue ray. Questions: -why it shows 1080 instead of 2160 which is the 4K resolution? -What is HDR -> SDR means? I want to make sure I am getting the benefit of 4K resolution + HDR...My TV = Samsung JS 8500 which is HDR capable My copy of Logan came with 2 discs, one designated UHD 4K HDR the other Blu Ray HD. And yes I stuck the HD version in and wondered why it didn't play 4K.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 27, 2017 21:09:43 GMT -5
got my first 4K movie with HDR - Logan. when I press display button it shows 1080/24f and HDR -> SDR on top left hand corner of the screen. Bottom of screen shows ultra blue ray. Questions: -why it shows 1080 instead of 2160 which is the 4K resolution? -What is HDR -> SDR means? I want to make sure I am getting the benefit of 4K resolution + HDR...My TV = Samsung JS 8500 which is HDR capable My copy of Logan came with 2 discs, one designated UHD 4K HDR the other Blu Ray HD. And yes I stuck the HD version in and wondered why it didn't play 4K. Cheers Gary ^^— Likely this (and neither of you would be the first). Makes no sense why they bury the UHD disc under all of the digital copy and advertising clutter, but they often do. Make sure to choose the disc that shows the Ultra HD branding. |
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Post by copperband on Nov 27, 2017 22:27:20 GMT -5
I did use the correct 4K disc. More problems now. Under setting/video output resolution, I switched from Auto to 4K. Then it shows 1080/30p but at the same time the audio is totally distorted(can't hear a word about the dialogue at all)! And the home button stopped working. When I stopped the movie all I see is a blue screen. In fact all buttons on the remote stopped working until I ejected the disc, but I can only play the disc and see the video, sound is still distorted.
Help!
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Post by novisnick on Nov 27, 2017 22:36:56 GMT -5
Didn’t read it all, sorry. One more shot at this.
Factory reset of the unit AND an HDMI cable rated for 4K or high bandwidth.
if this doesn’t fix it, return for a replacement.
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 27, 2017 22:49:08 GMT -5
I did use the correct 4K disc. More problems now. Under setting/video output resolution, I switched from Auto to 4K. Then it shows 1080/30p but at the same time the audio is totally distorted(can't hear a word about the dialogue at all)! And the home button stopped working. When I stopped the movie all I see is a blue screen. In fact all buttons on the remote stopped working until I ejected the disc, but I can only play the disc and see the video, sound is still distorted. Help! This might sound like a dumb question, but how do you have this routed? The main HDMI Out directly to your TV and the secondary HDMI Out to your UMC-1...? |
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Post by copperband on Nov 28, 2017 1:45:21 GMT -5
main hdmi to UMC-1, did not use secondary hdmi
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 28, 2017 3:40:22 GMT -5
I should have mine by the weekend, I'm going to hook it up with video straight to the Samsung TV and audio to the UMC-200. I'll post up how I get on and what settings work for me.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by stiehl11 on Nov 28, 2017 7:16:41 GMT -5
main hdmi to UMC-1, did not use secondary hdmi UMC-1 can't handle the 4k signal. You have to go direct to your 4K TV with the first HDMI cable and to the UMC-1 with the second (there should be tape covering the 2nd HDMI on the player, you'll have to remove it to access it). |
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 28, 2017 7:50:37 GMT -5
main hdmi to UMC-1, did not use secondary hdmi I kinda thought so and is why I asked. Your problem is, as stiehl11 has stated, the UMC-1 is not 4K UHD compatible (HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2). You cannot route this type of video signal through the UMC-1. To use this properly, you must set the X800 to “split” the audio from the video using both HDMI outputs. To do this, connect one HDMI cable from HDMI Out 1 directly to a 4K UHD compatible input on your TV and another HDMI cable from HDMI Out 2 to an input on your UMC-1. Then, on the X800, go to Setup > System Settings > HDMI Audio Output and select HDMI 2. Your X800 will now send video directly to the TV and audio directly to the UMC-1. Since the UMC-1 is rather dated, I would also recommend going to Setup > Audio Settings > Digital Audio Output and select PCM. By doing this, the X800 will decode the audio format contained on the disc (including DSD) and send PCM to the UMC-1. Of course, this is optional, but a safe bet if you want to continue using the UMC-1. Hope this helps...  |
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Post by copperband on Nov 28, 2017 10:53:08 GMT -5
thank you all for the advice. I will do so later today.
I thought the UMC-1 function = video "pass through" means to pass through the source video straight to the TV without processing?
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 28, 2017 11:37:31 GMT -5
thank you all for the advice. I will do so later today. I thought the UMC-1 function = video "pass through" means to pass through the source video straight to the TV without processing? In that respect, it does. However, you'll never get around the HDMI requirements for bandwidth and supported features. When set to "auto", the X800 is falling back to the maximum resolution (and features) supported by the UMC-1 and/or the HDMI spec. In this case, 1080p with HDR > SDR conversion. When "forced" to something higher, you either get an unrecognizable mess on your display or, more likely, no picture at all. HDCP, on the other hand, will stop you dead in your tracks if every component in the chain is not compliant with the requested handshake. It's also worth noting that you will likely have to make an investment into a "HDMI Premium Certified" cable to run between your X800 and display. Bandwidth and speed are crucial in 4K UHD applications. They do not need to cost a small fortune. The Monoprice Premium Certified cable found HERE works brilliantly when kept under 20 feet. The cable carrying audio between your X800 and UMC-1 can be any one that you have that currently works. Premium Certified is not needed in this application. Hope this helps... |
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Post by copperband on Nov 28, 2017 13:34:31 GMT -5
thanks doc1963, your explanation provide more sense to me now as to what I experienced so far. So for "video output resolution" no need to switch from Auto to 4K when I use both hdmi outputs per your instructions? My worry is whether I can see the home screen when I turn on the player again today....yesterday the unit freeze when I did the switch....and as I said all buttons on the remote stopped working.
By the way, can I use the coaxial output to UMC-1 to achieve the same result of using the 2nd audio only hdmi output?
Also I did create another thread in this forum asking whether I need to buy a hdmi which handles 4K video. Most said my current hdmi cables should work. The player's manual does say a hdmi which handles up to 18gb is required for 4K video...
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 28, 2017 14:24:19 GMT -5
thanks doc1963, your explanation provide more sense to me now as to what I experienced so far. So for "video output resolution" no need to switch from Auto to 4K when I use both hdmi outputs per your instructions? My worry is whether I can see the home screen when I turn on the player again today....yesterday the unit freeze when I did the switch....and as I said all buttons on the remote stopped working. By the way, can I use the coaxial output to UMC-1 to achieve the same result of using the 2nd audio only hdmi output? Also I did create another thread in this forum asking whether I need to buy a hdmi which handles 4K video. Most said my current hdmi cables should work. The player's manual does say a hdmi which handles up to 18gb is required for 4K video... "Auto" should detect the EDID of your TV and set itself accordingly, but sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't, then there are settings that can be forced within the X800 to ensure a reliable handshake. Let's cross that bridge when we get there. You can use the coax output, but keep in mind that you will only get the lossy "core" Dolby Digital or DTS soundtracks. I would highly recommend the HDMI audio connection in order to receive the benefit of hi-rez audio. Your current cables " may" work, but if they are not certified to the full 18 Gbps bandwidth (at their given length), you can assure yourself that you will encounter problems as the demand upon the cable's throughput increases. A reliable HDMI chain is only as good as its weakest link and, in a 4K Ultra HD environment, the cable is almost always just that. Hope this helps... |
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Post by copperband on Nov 29, 2017 0:04:00 GMT -5
Doc1963. It works now by following your instructions to use both hdmi! 4K disc shows 3840 & HDR on top left side of the screen, Blu-ray disc shows 3180 & SDR so I suppose my current hdmi cable works.
output resolution=Auto works, no need to change to 4K.
Digital Audio Output=Auto also work, no need to change to PCM.
As a back up I likely will buy the monoprice certified hdmi cables you suggested.
I mentioned in another thread of problem when playing SACD:
NO sound when playing SACD. I changed the audio setting/digital audio output = PCM per the manual but it didn't work. I understand UMC-1 won't handle DSD but it should handle PCM, any thoughts?
I wonder if I have the wrong setting of UMC-1. Could it be under UMC-1 Advanced playback setting? Right now I have the hdmi 2 connected to input=VCR(hdmi 3 for both audio & video) of UMC-1.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2017 1:31:28 GMT -5
NO sound when playing SACD. I changed the audio setting/digital audio output = PCM per the manual but it didn't work. I understand UMC-1 won't handle DSD but it should handle PCM, any thoughts? The Sony can output PCM at 24/96 or 24/192 BUT the UMC-1 only handles 24/96. So you should set the Sony to 24/96 not Auto or 24/192. Cheers Gary |
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 29, 2017 4:35:54 GMT -5
....I mentioned in another thread of problem when playing SACD: NO sound when playing SACD. I changed the audio setting/digital audio output = PCM per the manual but it didn't work. I understand UMC-1 won't handle DSD but it should handle PCM, any thoughts? I wonder if I have the wrong setting of UMC-1. Could it be under UMC-1 Advanced playback setting? Right now I have the hdmi 2 connected to input=VCR(hdmi 3 for both audio & video) of UMC-1. Glad to hear that it’s all working for you now... In retrospect, I had forgotten that the UMC-1 was new enough to have internal support for both Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio. Those were the two formats that I was concerned about and why I recommend converting to PCM at the source. So, yes, there’s no need to do so. As for playback of SACDs, Sony (in all of their infinite wisdom) chooses to convert DSD to PCM at 24bit/176.4kHz (instead of the more traditional 24bit/88.2kHz) via HDMI. As I recall, the Cirrus chipset used in the UMC series processors has an issue with the 176.4 kHz sampling frequency and is muted (unsupported) by default. So, unfortunately, playback of SACDs (DSD) using the combination of these two components won’t be possible for you. If this were an Oppo UDP-203, no problem as DSD is converted to 24/88.2 PCM (or you have the additional option of using the analog outputs). If this were something other than a UMC series processor, it probably would support either native DSD or 24/176.4 PCM (the XMC-1 supports both). Sticking with what you have will work just fine, will sound amazing and is cost effective, but support for SACD will be your sacrifice. Hope this helps... |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2017 4:53:26 GMT -5
Before i ordered mine I had a play with one and I could definitely change the PCM output from 24/96 to 24/192 or vice versa.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 29, 2017 5:32:45 GMT -5
Before i ordered mine I had a play with one and I could definitely change the PCM output from 24/96 to 24/192 or vice versa. Cheers Gary You definitely can change the “Digital Out” sampling frequency to one of three options (48, 96 or 192kHz), but that applies only to the coax output. Unfortunately, due to digital copyright law, SACDs (whether the DSD data is converted to PCM or not) must be either transported (digitally) via HDMI or as analog directly from the source component. Sorry, but there’s no way around this....  |
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