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Post by rbk123 on Dec 9, 2017 10:14:19 GMT -5
That is an attractive amp. |
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Post by amped on Dec 9, 2017 17:05:16 GMT -5
Just looked at the Audioholics amp article and they make several mistakes. 'D' amps are not 'digital' but are really analogue. The first 'D' amps were made Years before 'digital' anything made it to the consumer market. And while they tout people on to the high efficiency, that is at full power. Efficiency at useable power levels is lower. And while this is beyond the scope of the article, using the B&O data for an example, while the amp is rated at, for eample, 250 watts, that is for only 30 seconds or 60 seconds. FTC power is much less. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class-D_amplifierAmen! " Audioholics" is like reading "Highlights"...It keeps you busy on a plane or sitting "watching" the Real Housewives with your wife but NO REAL SUBSTANCE! How about a review from TAS/Stereophile (well there was one from Stereophile and it was well...shall we say less then good) or anyone else for that matter...And all the techno mumbo jumbo regarding millisecond cap refreshing BLAH, BLAH BLAH...HOW DOES IT SOUND? Regarding RMS output it is almost as irrelevant as the weight of the amp...Having owned many EMO products (Including XPR-1s) and still having the bridged 1k watt bridged XPA2 Gen2's I can personally attest that my current set up including the far less "powerful" 600 WPC Bryston Amp that there is NO Correlation to total output and weight to quality of sound reproduction as the Bryston is 400 WPC less and also is considerably lighter then my EMO's and dare I say there is NO comparison between the sound of the two the EMO is a great loud party amp that is/was great for home theater that can truthfully reproduce the sound of an exploding Death Star or Visceral impact of the D Day landing at Normandy BUT cannot touch Dianna Kralls voice inflections nor separate the four players in a Dave Brubeck piece into a soundstage that has truth of depth, width and placement you know a "is it live or is it Memorex" moment. Having owned those EMO powerhouses and being VERY familiar with the construction and parts used in their manufacture I think it suffice to say that the "NEW" DR Series is a haphazard attempt to satisfy the "hunger" for a more audiophile niche that the aforementioned filled. Unfortunately in the ever less forgiving world of margins and profit you get a product like the "DR Series" Everything from the top down is done for margin (the chassis is laughable) It is one of the worst use of "off the shelf" parts use I can remember in years and to try and "sell" the capacitance storage issue and tiny power supply is another flub...But again 5 pages of discussion here about all the fodder surrounding these "New" amps and not one mention of how they sound. I hope for the health of EMO they do sound good however from what I "see" (not hear) I don't think the future is looking very good for a two channel set-up amp from them. |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 9, 2017 18:01:48 GMT -5
amped I'm surprised you found the XPA-2 gen 2 to be a home theater amp. Imo it was one of the best amps I've heard. I've heard most of the components on your list except for the Thorens and Bryston along with some more pricey units. My preference is of course the XPA-1 gen 2. Remarkable clarity which was able to lay bare the components upstream. I can promise you its real strength is two channel. One thing I can tell you with the XPA-1 gen 2 is that component matching is terribly important. Some things can drive it to startling clarity and control in balanced mode, some things can't. I think that's the same with the XPA-2 gen 2. For instance the Manley Jumbo shrimp - was too veiled for it. Most preamps I tried were simply too veiled - including preamps that cost $4k Mcintosh, Conrad Johnson, Emotiva, etc the list goes on. I even heard some 15k audio research stuff though not with it. Just not enough transparency. The only satisfactory one I've tried was the DC-1 - which I'm not sure is saying much in terms of preamps. But mixing and matching helps here. Same goes with DACs. My two cents. YMMV of course. I did yesterday turn on an old entry level turn table and play some post modern jukebox on the XPA-1. I had lots of fun though I think something was wrong with the mastering of the album! My plan is to mate it with an Audio GD HE-1 and a Schiit Ygdrassil. Hopefully this will get me Shangri-La. Though right now, my simple combo of a DC-1 and XPA-1 is pretty nice!
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2017 18:38:00 GMT -5
Amped, I have to say if I won a million dollars tonight I would buy your exact Bryston 14B-SST tomorrow. My buddies (two brothers) own the 4B-ST amps and I was pretty much blown away by the sound quality. I have not heard the new Emotiva DR amps and I have never heard the Emotiva XPR amps but I can tell you there is no negative takeaway from the Bryston amps. They are built to last, offer amazing precision and build quality and are backed by a twenty year warranty.
I have a house full of Emotiva amps but there is in my mind and experience no competition between the two companies. There is also however, no comparison in price between them so i know we are not comparing apples to apples here. I cannot afford the Bryston amps outside of the still pricey used market but I am confident I will get there some day. I cannot even dream of how good your Bryston gear sounds. If you have no family of mention, I would love to be in your will....lol.
Tim
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 9, 2017 19:28:15 GMT -5
A lot of the high price of a Bryston is because of the warranty.
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Post by Cogito on Dec 9, 2017 20:41:43 GMT -5
"Rapidly"  Not that I've seen. The VAST majority of high end/high performance amps still use large linear power supplies. Why do you think this is? BECAUSE AUDIOPHILES EQUATE WEIGHT WITH QUALITY.
Sure, SMPSs are more efficient and run cooler, but I would bet my last dollar that the biggest motivating force for Emotiva to go to SMPSs is to save on shipping costs and the associated damage that often accompanies heavy packages, NOT for a performance advantage. BUT THERE IS A PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGE; MUCH BETTER EFFICIENCY.Russ I'll take the simplicity and reliability of a robust AND heavy linear supply any day. Efficiency may be a performance advantage if heat or your electric bill are an issue, but has NOTHING to do with sound performance. Besides, moving a 70+ pound amplifier around is a good workout  |
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 9, 2017 23:21:02 GMT -5
Back in the day I home auditioned a Bryston 4B-ST driving some Acoustats I had. It was a fine amp but it didn't wow me. I eventually settled on a CJ. Sonically Emo stacks up just fine against Bryston, but certainly not as well in the build category.
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Post by leonski on Dec 10, 2017 0:31:49 GMT -5
Back in the day I home auditioned a Bryston 4B-ST driving some Acoustats I had. It was a fine amp but it didn't wow me. I eventually settled on a CJ. Sonically Emo stacks up just fine against Bryston, but certainly not as well in the build category. Sound-Wise, Bryston takes quite a beating. Robust and bulletproof, for sure, but many audiophiles with backgrounds listening to many different amps are Ho-Hum about the 'bryston sound'. I heard a pair of the Janszen 'stats demo'd with Bryston Power Packs few were impressed and later (like 6 months) I spoke with the owner at a show and he said it 'didn't go well'. The amps were Bryston 'power packs'. Later? I heard the same speaker in a guys house with Parasound JC-1 amps and it was like a new system. If you like Canadian Gear? Classe` would be where I'd start, $$$ permitting. |
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Post by wpl on Dec 10, 2017 1:32:03 GMT -5
hello emo community
how many ampere minimum power do you need 2 XPA-1 Gen2 monos?
I go in front of the fuse box over AHP sound module III G fuse 16 / 20amp
Is 1 direct line enough + 1 fuse? or do i need 2 lines + 2 fuses?
best regards peter thailand
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Post by garbulky on Dec 10, 2017 1:56:36 GMT -5
hello emo community how many ampere minimum power do you need 2 XPA-1 Gen2 monos? I go in front of the fuse box over AHP sound module III G fuse 16 / 20amp Is 1 direct line enough + 1 fuse? or do i need 2 lines + 2 fuses? best regards peter thailand One line for both sides is enough unless you have another device taking lots of current on the same line. Or if You’re planning for very long very loud parties. I have each amp on a separate line but I have a computer and two large tv and several other devices also sharing the two lines. |
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Post by gsand on Dec 10, 2017 15:41:25 GMT -5
hello emo community how many ampere minimum power do you need 2 XPA-1 Gen2 monos? I go in front of the fuse box over AHP sound module III G fuse 16 / 20amp Is 1 direct line enough + 1 fuse? or do i need 2 lines + 2 fuses? best regards peter thailand I thought the Subject of this thread was about about the "XPA DR Series Sneek Peek!!" opinions & caparisons |
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Post by jcz06 on Dec 10, 2017 19:37:12 GMT -5
To WPL, I don't think he was attacking you but you did start another thread asking the same question.....I think he was just making a note to keep it on topic.....nothing personal I don't believe...
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Post by wpl on Dec 10, 2017 19:47:54 GMT -5
To WPL, I don't think he was attacking you but you did start another thread asking the same question.....I think he was just making a note to keep it on topic.....nothing personal I don't believe... Thank you did it then found best regards peter how do you say .. the beginning is hard |
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Post by cwmcobra on Dec 10, 2017 21:06:51 GMT -5
"the beginning is hard" works just fine. We might also call it "growing pains".
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Post by jcz06 on Dec 11, 2017 16:55:52 GMT -5
Going to take the leap and test drive a DR-3.....if it goes well...watch the classifieds for an XPR-1 |
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Post by Lsc on Dec 11, 2017 18:01:08 GMT -5
The amp looked sweet last April at Axpona. It has the same beefy binding posts as the XPR amps and it looked solid.
I’m sure it will perform beautifully- guess I’ll find out at Axpona 2018 😊.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 11, 2017 18:05:32 GMT -5
Going to take the leap and test drive a DR-3.....if it goes well...watch the classifieds for an XPR-1 I'll definitely be interested in seeing your comparison review! Casey |
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Post by audiophill on Dec 11, 2017 19:20:29 GMT -5
Hope it works out for you i could use a single XPR-1 to go with my pair of XPR-1's if the price is right.
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Post by jcz06 on Dec 11, 2017 20:47:22 GMT -5
Going to take the leap and test drive a DR-3.....if it goes well...watch the classifieds for an XPR-1 I'll definitely be interested in seeing your comparison review! Casey It will be interesting as I have the same front stage as you do(Focus SE/Marquis).....so I am hoping it goes well. |
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Post by jcz06 on Dec 11, 2017 20:49:28 GMT -5
Hope it works out for you i could use a single XPR-1 to go with my pair of XPR-1's if the price is right. It will be interesting Phil.....if it doesn't work out I say nothing ventured nothing gained....Ideally I will repurpose two of my XPR-1s to a 2-channel system if it works...otherwise all three could be had for the right price(very right price haha)..... |
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Not that I've seen. The VAST majority of high end/high performance amps still use large linear power supplies. Why do you think this is? BECAUSE AUDIOPHILES EQUATE WEIGHT WITH QUALITY.
