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Post by 405x5 on Jan 2, 2018 8:59:22 GMT -5
Right now, I’m kicked back on the couch 🛋 being cuddled by 9 month old pug, sipping the morning coffee and enjoying being engulfed, by magnificent audio presented by the XMC 1. (Get the picture?)
And ......feeling sorry for the last poster that just doesn’t get it!
Always, I’m reminded by what Dan L. had said in one of those you tube XMC videos, reminded us that the XMC is a toy but a very useful one.
If the new board ain’t ready I just go and play with something else, until it is! 😅
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 2, 2018 12:10:38 GMT -5
What I see is two sides who " don't get it" (or, don't get each other). One side sees their XMC-1 as a major roadblock due to its inability to switch HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2/HDR sources. The other side, who likely has no 4K UHD investment, is quite complacent with their XMC-1 as it is and don't see the problem. One side sees the other as a bunch of whiners and complainers, but, then again, if " you" don't have a problem, then there isn't one…. right? Sure, there are bigger world problems, but I guess that's just how society works. I totally agree that an AVP has two functions that it must perform without fail, switch the video and process the audio. I also totally agree that if I can't get what I want when I need it (even if it's only information or insight that I'm seeking), then it's time to look elsewhere. I've done just that (and have never had a problem doing so). I don't claim to know what goes on inside of Emotiva and I wouldn't want to walk a mile in Dan's shoes. I like the company and I have bought a ton of their gear. I will continue to do so. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a constructive opinion. This board was supposedly done and "shipping next month" a year ago. Don't believe it…? Click HERE and listen to the information regarding the HDMI board "shipping for the XMC-1 next month". This was from CES 2017 (January 2017). To me, the situation with this elusive HDMI board has played out far too long. I get all of the efforts behind the development process, but I think too much effort has been placed into the RMC-1 and not enough into keeping the XMC-1 a viable product over the long haul. I, myself, would have been perfectly happy with a 7 channel processor that handles 4K UHD switching and supports HDR. Sometimes the "next big thing" is simply improving upon what you already have. Without any useful information (prior to the Christmas Podcast), my solution was quite simple… for slightly more than the cost of both XMC-1 upgrades, I have purchased a product that does more than what I need it to do, does it flawlessly and sounds just fine for what I use it for (which isn't two channel). I love my XMC-1 and I do not plan on disposing of it. It is boxed up and will sit in the closet until it is called upon again, but that won't be anytime soon. Maybe when the next round of upgrades are needed, and are readily available for actual purchase, it will return to its rightful place. In the meantime, maybe I'll add four more channels to my XPA-5 G3 and explore Atmos. In the end, my household is once again just simply happy that everything works exactly as it should, with the press of a single button, and all without requiring cable swaps and reboots… To each his own. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2018 13:26:01 GMT -5
What I see is two sides who " don't get it" (or, don't get each other). One side sees their XMC-1 as a major roadblock due to its inability to switch HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2/HDR sources. The other side, who likely has no 4K UHD investment, is quite complacent with their XMC-1 as it is and don't see the problem. One side sees the other as a bunch of whiners and complainers, but, then again, if " you" don't have a problem, then there isn't one…. right? Sure, there are bigger world problems, but I guess that's just how society works. I totally agree that an AVP has two functions that it must perform without fail, switch the video and process the audio. I also totally agree that if I can't get what I want when I need it (even if it's only information or insight that I'm seeking), then it's time to look elsewhere. I've done just that (and have never had a problem doing so). I don't claim to know what goes on inside of Emotiva and I wouldn't want to walk a mile in Dan's shoes. I like the company and I have bought a ton of their gear. I will continue to do so. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a constructive opinion. This board was supposedly done and "shipping next month" a year ago. Don't believe it…? Click HERE and listen to the information regarding the HDMI board "shipping for the XMC-1 next month". This was from CES 2017 (January 2017). To me, the situation with this elusive HDMI board has played out far too long. I get all of the efforts behind the development process, but I think too much effort has been placed into the RMC-1 and not enough into keeping the XMC-1 a viable product over the long haul. I, myself, would have been perfectly happy with a 7 channel processor that handles 4K UHD switching and supports HDR. Sometimes the "next big thing" is simply improving upon what you already have. Without any useful information (prior to the Christmas Podcast), my solution was quite simple… for slightly more than the cost of both XMC-1 upgrades, I have purchased a product that does more than what I need it to do, does it flawlessly and sounds just fine for what I use it for (which isn't two channel). I love my XMC-1 and I do not plan on disposing of it. It is boxed up and will sit in the closet until it is called upon again, but that won't be anytime soon. Maybe when the next round of upgrades are needed, and are readily available for actual purchase, it will return to its rightful place. In the meantime, maybe I'll add four more channels to my XPA-5 G3 and explore Atmos. In the end, my household is once again just simply happy that everything works exactly as it should, with the press of a single button, and all without requiring cable swaps and reboots… To each his own. There is a third side of the triangle.....those who have 4K (TV/Apple 4K/Oppo 203) and an XMC-1 with original HDMI board. Don't forget me. I've owned many receivers over the years and can tell you that the XMC-1 is the absolute best sounding av processor device I've ever owned. I could have easily sold it and purchased a Denon/Yamaha/Onkyo/Marantz, etc that would do the 4k switching. To tell you the truth, it doesn't excite me. Right now I'm using my Harmony One remote to make switching of my Directv HR44 and Oppo 203 pretty seamless. Push of a button. I still want to simplify the process by having all going through the XMC-1 and to free up connections as well as reduce cabling. As Tom Petty says....."The waiting is the hardest part".  |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 2, 2018 13:47:42 GMT -5
And yet a fourth side of the triangle: those of us who only have a single input device and just hook it directly to the TV ... :-)
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 2, 2018 14:08:13 GMT -5
There is a third side of the triangle.....those who have 4K (TV/Apple 4K/Oppo 203) and an XMC-1 with original HDMI board. Don't forget me. I've owned many receivers over the years and can tell you that the XMC-1 is the absolute best sounding av processor device I've ever owned. I could have easily sold it and purchased a Denon/Yamaha/Onkyo/Marantz, etc that would do the 4k switching. To tell you the truth, it doesn't excite me. Right now I'm using my Harmony One remote to make switching of my Directv HR44 and Oppo 203 pretty seamless. Push of a button. I still want to simplify the process by having all going through the XMC-1 and to free up connections as well as reduce cabling. As Tom Petty says....."The waiting is the hardest part". Oh I haven't forgotten about you. Any of us who have made a substantial investment into 4K UHD gear over the last 18 months "are" the forgotten (or, in this thread, the misunderstood). I agree that, I myself owning many competing processors over the years, the XMC-1 "is" in a class by itself "sound" wise. But, sounding "world class" isn't good enough when the XMC-1 can only do half of its job. In "my" setup, the XMC-1 has two jobs, (1) switch video sources and (2) process the audio from those sources. I don't use the XMC-1 for 2 channel audio. So, for me, the answers I derived from that "other" thread were quite clear. Move on. My AV7703 is no sonic match to the XMC-1 in all areas, but it performs extremely well for what I use it for (which is HT only) and gives me other areas to expand upon. Immersive surround (Atmos/DTS-X/Auro-3D) and HD Radio (yes, I still listen to FM radio) are just two examples. Audyssey is clearly no Dirac, but by using the available Audyssey MultEQ Editor App and not EQing my room above 500 Hz (and since my subs clearly can't shake the foundation of my house), my results are just fine. Different strokes for different folks, for sure, but " I" waited as long as I could to fulfill a basic functional necessity...  |
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Post by goozoo on Jan 2, 2018 14:08:23 GMT -5
What I see is two sides who " don't get it" (or, don't get each other). One side sees their XMC-1 as a major roadblock due to its inability to switch HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2/HDR sources. The other side, who likely has no 4K UHD investment, is quite complacent with their XMC-1 as it is and don't see the problem. One side sees the other as a bunch of whiners and complainers, but, then again, if " you" don't have a problem, then there isn't one…. right? Sure, there are bigger world problems, but I guess that's just how society works. I totally agree that an AVP has two functions that it must perform without fail, switch the video and process the audio. I also totally agree that if I can't get what I want when I need it (even if it's only information or insight that I'm seeking), then it's time to look elsewhere. I've done just that (and have never had a problem doing so). I don't claim to know what goes on inside of Emotiva and I wouldn't want to walk a mile in Dan's shoes. I like the company and I have bought a ton of their gear. I will continue to do so. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a constructive opinion. This board was supposedly done and "shipping next month" a year ago. Don't believe it…? Click HERE and listen to the information regarding the HDMI board "shipping for the XMC-1 next month". This was from CES 2017 (January 2017). To me, the situation with this elusive HDMI board has played out far too long. I get all of the efforts behind the development process, but I think too much effort has been placed into the RMC-1 and not enough into keeping the XMC-1 a viable product over the long haul. I, myself, would have been perfectly happy with a 7 channel processor that handles 4K UHD switching and supports HDR. Sometimes the "next big thing" is simply improving upon what you already have. Without any useful information (prior to the Christmas Podcast), my solution was quite simple… for slightly more than the cost of both XMC-1 upgrades, I have purchased a product that does more than what I need it to do, does it flawlessly and sounds just fine for what I use it for (which isn't two channel). I love my XMC-1 and I do not plan on disposing of it. It is boxed up and will sit in the closet until it is called upon again, but that won't be anytime soon. Maybe when the next round of upgrades are needed, and are readily available for actual purchase, it will return to its rightful place. In the meantime, maybe I'll add four more channels to my XPA-5 G3 and explore Atmos. In the end, my household is once again just simply happy that everything works exactly as it should, with the press of a single button, and all without requiring cable swaps and reboots… To each his own. +1 We have multiple XMC-1 in service with customers frustrated over the HDMI issue. As custom integrators it creates a real problem on our end since we cannot recommend the product at this point for this very reason; despite all the accolades that this unit has received. That being said, I think that the first quarter of this year will see a lot of different product launches; including the boards promised to customer nearly a year ago. I don't blame you for looking elsewhere to find a solution as several of our own loyal customers have as well. Let's hope for a more productive 2018 on all fronts. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 2, 2018 14:10:55 GMT -5
And yet a fourth side of the triangle: those of us who only have a single input device and just hook it directly to the TV ... :-) Casey Now Casey, surely you know that a triangle has only three sides...  |
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Post by Talley on Jan 2, 2018 14:18:32 GMT -5
This board was supposedly done and "shipping next month" a year ago. Don't believe it…? Click HERE and listen to the information regarding the HDMI board "shipping for the XMC-1 next month". This was from CES 2017 (January 2017). Quit putting out lies and please know your facts before throwing things out there. Thanks to the "web archive" site you can see this was promised as long as go as 3/26/16!!!!! web.archive.org/web/20160526132141/http://emotiva.com:80/xmc-1-enhancementsAvailable Q1-2017 |
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 2, 2018 14:23:52 GMT -5
This board was supposedly done and "shipping next month" a year ago. Don't believe it…? Click HERE and listen to the information regarding the HDMI board "shipping for the XMC-1 next month". This was from CES 2017 (January 2017). Quit putting out lies and please know your facts before throwing things out there. Thanks to the "web archive" site you can see this was promised as long as go as 3/26/16!!!!! web.archive.org/web/20160526132141/http://emotiva.com:80/xmc-1-enhancementsAvailable Q1-2017 I'm fully aware of the fact that the board was promised long before CES 2017 and posted the same information in the (now edited) "other" thread. But isn't going back one year (especially when the message comes straight from the horses mouth) good enough to make a simple point...? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2018 14:32:01 GMT -5
What I see is two sides who " don't get it" (or, don't get each other). One side sees their XMC-1 as a major roadblock due to its inability to switch HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2/HDR sources. The other side, who likely has no 4K UHD investment, is quite complacent with their XMC-1 as it is and don't see the problem. One side sees the other as a bunch of whiners and complainers, but, then again, if " you" don't have a problem, then there isn't one…. right? Sure, there are bigger world problems, but I guess that's just how society works. I totally agree that an AVP has two functions that it must perform without fail, switch the video and process the audio. I also totally agree that if I can't get what I want when I need it (even if it's only information or insight that I'm seeking), then it's time to look elsewhere. I've done just that (and have never had a problem doing so). I don't claim to know what goes on inside of Emotiva and I wouldn't want to walk a mile in Dan's shoes. I like the company and I have bought a ton of their gear. I will continue to do so. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a constructive opinion. This board was supposedly done and "shipping next month" a year ago. Don't believe it…? Click HERE and listen to the information regarding the HDMI board "shipping for the XMC-1 next month". This was from CES 2017 (January 2017). To me, the situation with this elusive HDMI board has played out far too long. I get all of the efforts behind the development process, but I think too much effort has been placed into the RMC-1 and not enough into keeping the XMC-1 a viable product over the long haul. I, myself, would have been perfectly happy with a 7 channel processor that handles 4K UHD switching and supports HDR. Sometimes the "next big thing" is simply improving upon what you already have. Without any useful information (prior to the Christmas Podcast), my solution was quite simple… for slightly more than the cost of both XMC-1 upgrades, I have purchased a product that does more than what I need it to do, does it flawlessly and sounds just fine for what I use it for (which isn't two channel). I love my XMC-1 and I do not plan on disposing of it. It is boxed up and will sit in the closet until it is called upon again, but that won't be anytime soon. Maybe when the next round of upgrades are needed, and are readily available for actual purchase, it will return to its rightful place. In the meantime, maybe I'll add four more channels to my XPA-5 G3 and explore Atmos. In the end, my household is once again just simply happy that everything works exactly as it should, with the press of a single button, and all without requiring cable swaps and reboots… To each his own. +1 We have multiple XMC-1 in service with customers frustrated over the HDMI issue. As custom integrators it creates a real problem on our end since we cannot recommend the product at this point for this very reason; despite all the accolades that this unit has received. That being said, I think that the first quarter of this year will see a lot of different product launches; including the boards promised to customer nearly a year ago. I don't blame you for looking elsewhere to find a solution as several of our own loyal customers have as well. Let's hope for a more productive 2018 on all fronts. I agree. Once the boards hit and are incorporated into existing customer's units as well as new sales, life will be good again. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jan 2, 2018 14:47:23 GMT -5
I for one am irked with the lack of movement. Big time.
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2018 14:51:03 GMT -5
There is a third side of the triangle.....those who have 4K (TV/Apple 4K/Oppo 203) and an XMC-1 with original HDMI board. Don't forget me. I've owned many receivers over the years and can tell you that the XMC-1 is the absolute best sounding av processor device I've ever owned. I could have easily sold it and purchased a Denon/Yamaha/Onkyo/Marantz, etc that would do the 4k switching. To tell you the truth, it doesn't excite me. Right now I'm using my Harmony One remote to make switching of my Directv HR44 and Oppo 203 pretty seamless. Push of a button. I still want to simplify the process by having all going through the XMC-1 and to free up connections as well as reduce cabling. As Tom Petty says....."The waiting is the hardest part". Oh I haven't forgotten about you. Any of us who have made a substantial investment into 4K UHD gear over the last 18 months "are" the forgotten (or, in this thread, the misunderstood). I agree that, I myself owning many competing processors over the years, the XMC-1 "is" in a class by itself "sound" wise. But, sounding "world class" isn't good enough when the XMC-1 can only do half of its job. In "my" setup, the XMC-1 has two jobs, (1) switch video sources and (2) process the audio from those sources. I don't use the XMC-1 for 2 channel audio. So, for me, the answers I derived from that "other" thread were quite clear. Move on. My AV7703 is no sonic match to the XMC-1 in all areas, but it performs extremely well for what I use it for (which is HT only) and gives me other areas to expand upon. Immersive surround (Atmos/DTS-X/Auro-3D) and HD Radio (yes, I still listen to FM radio) are just two examples. Audyssey is clearly no Dirac, but by using the available Audyssey MultEQ Editor App and not EQing my room above 500 Hz (and since my subs clearly can't shake the foundation of my house), my results are just fine. Different strokes for different folks, for sure, but " I" waited as long as I could to fulfill a basic functional necessity... doc....perfectly understand not wanting to wait and I'm happy you are enjoying your gear! I do mostly home theater but do listen to two channel music when I can. Since I will not be doing Atmos in my current home, the V3 board is seen as convenience for me, necessary, but it will happen when it happens. I don't feel the need to buy something else right now. The Harmony One saves manual switching and extra steps in the interim. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2018 15:01:28 GMT -5
Here is another point of view.
A very good friend of mine is trying to justify spending money on a new receiver. He owns a Denon AVR-3808. It does not do 4K of any sort. He just bought an Oppo 203 and a Sony 65" 630e. He owns the same Harmony remote I do.
He will not be doing Atmos. His Denon is connected to an Emotiva XPA-5 that he bought at Emofest. He does want a new Denon AVR-4400h, but keeps asking me why he should buy it when he is perfectly happy with the sound and functionality of the 3808. Yes, it's more wires, inputs, outputs, but it works. And with the Harmony, one button on and off.
So, he will use his patience and wait for a tremendous deal on a 4400 before he jumps. I've always admired his extreme patience.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 2, 2018 15:14:59 GMT -5
doc....perfectly understand not wanting to wait and I'm happy you are enjoying your gear! I do mostly home theater but do listen to two channel music when I can. Since I will not be doing Atmos in my current home, the V3 board is seen as convenience for me, necessary, but it will happen when it happens. I don't feel the need to buy something else right now. The Harmony One saves manual switching and extra steps in the interim. Oh by all means, wait it out if you can. I wish I could have. But for me, I got tired of swapping cables every time one of the kids wanted to play the Xbox or having the wife yelling because the TiVo wasn't working or having the ATV 4K go into a seizure because you've pulled the plug. Getting ARC to work correctly on the XMC-1 is chore enough to do once, getting it to work correctly, again, every time you remove the HDMI cable to gain a usable port on the TV is enough cause a stroke. Not to mention the fact that, once wall mounted, the ports on my TV aren't easily accessible. Since I run a "hybrid" system (unified by my XSP-1), absolute top notch two-channel performance from a video processor is not a concern for me (but, of course, it must be of high quality), but for those where it is, I fully agree that waiting is worth it... |
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Post by jmilton on Jan 2, 2018 16:33:37 GMT -5
Such wasted energy. Before 2018 is done, the 2.1 chipsets will be in consumer products. This 2.0 cloud over everyone’s heads will not end well this year....
(My New Years prediction🤭)
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 2, 2018 16:55:01 GMT -5
I don't think we'll see any HDMI 2.1 consumer products for something like 18 months. The standard just got radified I think and getting High-Speed PHYs like this to work isn't trivial. Moreover, it's not clear that anyone even needs the increased bandwidth being offered by HDMI 2.1. Apparently the Audio Return Channel capabilities are significantly enhanced and can now do more than simple Stereo, so that may be a big issue for some even if the increased bandwidth isn't needed for quite some time.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 2, 2018 17:32:34 GMT -5
The Harmony One saves manual switching and extra steps in the interim. I purchased a 4K TV with the view that the processor would be doing the source switching with a single output, obviously also based on the predicted product upgrade timelines. If I had known, for example, that the XMC-1 4K HDMI board would be delayed for over a year I might well have chosen a different panel. But I didn't, so I didn't. Hence using a remote control, no matter how smart, can't resolve my 4K switching problems. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 2, 2018 17:45:15 GMT -5
Getting ARC to work correctly on the XMC-1 is chore enough to do once, getting it to work correctly, again, every time you remove the HDMI cable to gain a usable port on the TV is enough cause a stroke. The UMC-200 wasn't too difficult to get to work using ARC, but the TV was a pain in the ass. It took some time searching the internet to find the solution (ARC doesn't work unless CEC is enabled) as the manual wasn't of much use. But there's an ongoing problem, once ARC is used I have to restart the UMC-200 to get it to recognise the other HDMI inputs. After almost 6 months of working arounds, I'm over it and the WAF is getting lower by the day  Cheers Gary |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2018 19:57:19 GMT -5
The Harmony One saves manual switching and extra steps in the interim. I purchased a 4K TV with the view that the processor would be doing the source switching with a single output, obviously also based on the predicted product upgrade timelines. If I had known, for example, that the XMC-1 4K HDMI board would be delayed for over a year I might well have chosen a different panel. But I didn't, so I didn't. Hence using a remote control, no matter how smart, can't resolve my 4K switching problems. Very true for me also, but it makes things smoother till the board is replaced. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 2, 2018 21:52:10 GMT -5
I purchased a 4K TV with the view that the processor would be doing the source switching with a single output, obviously also based on the predicted product upgrade timelines. If I had known, for example, that the XMC-1 4K HDMI board would be delayed for over a year I might well have chosen a different panel. But I didn't, so I didn't. Hence using a remote control, no matter how smart, can't resolve my 4K switching problems. Very true for me also, but it makes things smoother till the board is replaced. Not for me, the mid range Samsung 4K TV (which I purchased many months ago, was spec'd with the belief that the XMC-1 updates were imminent) only has 3 x HDMI inputs, one of which is ARC enabled, which leaves 2 inputs. Of the other 2 the ATV4K (which I also purchased some months ago) is connected to one and the other is connected to the Sony 4K BD player (which I purchased recently and has separate video and audio outputs, because I found out that the XMC-1 updates were far from imminent). As a result there are no spare HDMI inputs available. Plus of course sending the video direct to the TV means that there is no on screen display from the UMC-200. Having to have the CEC turned on (to get ARC to work) means that when I turn off, say, the ATV4K it also turns off the TV. But wait there's more, the Samsung does not have direct menu selection of the inputs, they have to be selected from a pop up menu. Which weren't problems I foresaw as I believed that the XMC-1 updates were to be well and truly be in place long before it became an issue. If I had known that they weren't going to be I would have chosen another model TV. None of the above issues become any "smoother" with a smart remote. Cheers Gary |
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