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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 15:11:29 GMT -5
My point, has nothing to do with 2.1, the xmc-1 is at least a year behind SOTA. Not too bad for a 3.5 year old processor. [b I believe it's modular design was built to maintain SOTA capabilities? |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 3, 2018 15:41:05 GMT -5
Not too bad for a 3.5 year old processor. [b I believe it's modular design was built to maintain SOTA capabilities? My interpretation was not that it was modular so it would always be ahead of the wave, but rather - that it could be upgraded so that it was not obsolete. And, so far - that's being proven true. Mark |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 3, 2018 15:59:29 GMT -5
[b I believe it's modular design was built to maintain SOTA capabilities? My interpretation was not that it was modular so it would always be ahead of the wave, but rather - that it could be upgraded so that it was not obsolete. And, so far - that's being proven true. Mark At sone point it must be considered out of date, regardless of whether updates are promised or not. What's the time frame, probably not 1 month, or 3 months, maybe 6 months but certainly after more than a year. Right now it's been almost a year and a half for the 4K board and almost a year for the Atmos/DTSX updates. Quite plainly it's out of date, which Emotiva seems to confirm by currently not selling any until the 4K board is ready. Just because it's out of date today doesn't mean that it stays out of date forever. But I wouldn't consider the 4K board availability to bring it back into date, that requires the Atmos/DTSX updates. Which means it's going to be out of date for some indeterminate time. Obsolete, as distinct from out of date, is an unknown, but if they can't get the Atmos/DTSX board to work ......................... Cheers Gary |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 16:06:49 GMT -5
[b I believe it's modular design was built to maintain SOTA capabilities? My interpretation was not that it was modular so it would always be ahead of the wave, but rather - that it could be upgraded so that it was not obsolete. And, so far - that's being proven true. Mark And you are welcome to your interpretation |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 3, 2018 18:57:02 GMT -5
My interpretation was not that it was modular so it would always be ahead of the wave, but rather - that it could be upgraded so that it was not obsolete. And, so far - that's being proven true. Mark And you are welcome to your interpretation This is what it currently says on their website...this type of wording is what I recall all along. Where does it say this means it would always be "state of the art"? I don't see it...and I sure don't recall that ever being promised. Seems like your "interpretation" is an "extrapolation"... Of course, I could be wrong... Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 3, 2018 18:58:56 GMT -5
My interpretation was not that it was modular so it would always be ahead of the wave, but rather - that it could be upgraded so that it was not obsolete. And, so far - that's being proven true. Mark At sone point it must be considered out of date, regardless of whether updates are promised or not. What's the time frame, probably not 1 month, or 3 months, maybe 6 months but certainly after more than a year. Right now it's been almost a year and a half for the 4K board and almost a year for the Atmos/DTSX updates. Quite plainly it's out of date, which Emotiva seems to confirm by currently not selling any until the 4K board is ready. Just because it's out of date today doesn't mean that it stays out of date forever. But I wouldn't consider the 4K board availability to bring it back into date, that requires the Atmos/DTSX updates. Which means it's going to be out of date for some indeterminate time. Obsolete, as distinct from out of date, is an unknown, but if they can't get the Atmos/DTSX board to work ......................... Cheers Gary For you or others who need 4K now or Atmos now, it's out of date. For those who don't, it's not. Mark |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 19:17:24 GMT -5
And you are welcome to your interpretation This is what it currently says on their website...this type of wording is what I recall all along. Where does it say this means it would always be "state of the art"? I don't see it...and I sure don't recall that ever being promised. Seems like your "interpretation" is an "extrapolation"... Of course, I could be wrong... Mark My bad ,guess it wasn't meant to be SOTA☺ |
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Post by geebo on Jan 3, 2018 20:29:03 GMT -5
This is what it currently says on their website...this type of wording is what I recall all along. Where does it say this means it would always be "state of the art"? I don't see it...and I sure don't recall that ever being promised. Seems like your "interpretation" is an "extrapolation"... Of course, I could be wrong... Mark My bad ,guess it wasn't meant to be SOTA☺ Deos SOTA mean having all the latest features or doing the things it does do as good as anyone. Can't the sound quality by itself be SOTA? |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 20:34:50 GMT -5
My bad ,guess it wasn't meant to be SOTA☺ Deos SOTA mean having all the latest features or doing the things it does do as good as anyone. Can't the sound quality by itself be SOTA? I would say sound quality is 1 category of SOTA. Meeting year old hdmi specs is probably not considered SOTA, does that help clear things up? |
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Post by geebo on Jan 3, 2018 20:51:58 GMT -5
Deos SOTA mean having all the latest features or doing the things it does do as good as anyone. Can't the sound quality by itself be SOTA? I would say sound quality is 1 category of SOTA. Meeting year old hdmi specs is probably not considered SOTA, does that help clear things up? Just trying to understand what you meant by saying it wasn't meant to be state of the art. You were referring to the feature set and not necessarily the performance of what it does. Have I got that right? In terms of having all the latest features I would say it wasn't meant to be SOTA. In terms of performance it was and is. And some of it's features are SOTA. Like it's RCS. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 20:56:30 GMT -5
I would say sound quality is 1 category of SOTA. Meeting year old hdmi specs is probably not considered SOTA, does that help clear things up? Just trying to understand what you meant by saying it wasn't meant to be state of the art. You were referring to the feature set and not necessarily the performance of what it does. Have I got that right? Ask Mike, he is the one who pointed out the error of my ways. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 21:04:22 GMT -5
I have no dog in this race, if you feel compelled to protect big blue, so be it. I believe a fair number fo people invested their money in this product with the thought, right or wrong, that timely updates were forthcoming. If you choose to debate the definition of timely, once again, so be it. It appears to me that these updates are taking longer than what they were led to believe. I have no desire for measuring appendages with those insistent on protecting big blue. My .02 only☺
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Post by geebo on Jan 3, 2018 21:20:17 GMT -5
Two edges on that sword.
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 21:26:28 GMT -5
Ok, your appendage is bigger. Happy? |
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Post by socketman on Jan 3, 2018 21:32:51 GMT -5
I would say sound quality is 1 category of SOTA. Meeting year old hdmi specs is probably not considered SOTA, does that help clear things up? Just trying to understand what you meant by saying it wasn't meant to be state of the art. You were referring to the feature set and not necessarily the performance of what it does. Have I got that right? In terms of having all the latest features I would say it wasn't meant to be SOTA. In terms of performance it was and is. And some of it's features are SOTA. Like it's RCS. If state of the art is a bunch of useless features that get ignored and unused until they are not updated by the manufacturer then i dont want state of the art. Myself i want my prepro to do exactly what the XMC does. I have a big 2 channel setup and if i want to hear it in the basement or whatever i turn it up. In the summer is were outside i turn it up simple. I have 5.1 in the bedroom with a denon with a bunch of crap i dont use. I got a great sounding piece of equipment from emotiva thats trouble free for a decent price and to me that is state of the art. I know i ranted a bit before christmas but i was just havin a bad day. I will wait, go over to AVS and see all the fun they have with the AVM60. You buy boutique you have to put up with some crap now and then. |
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Post by geebo on Jan 3, 2018 21:35:29 GMT -5
Ok, your appendage is bigger. Happy? Don't know or care 'bout that but my XMC sounds better.  |
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Post by modicen on Jan 3, 2018 21:59:21 GMT -5
I love my XMC-1, it's the best sounding unit I've ever had in any of my setups. But, feature wise it's out of date plain and simple. You few guys who say you do not need the upgrades are in the minority. The delays are getting tiresome and the work arounds are starting to be a pain in the butt.
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 3, 2018 22:22:16 GMT -5
I love my XMC-1, it's the best sounding unit I've ever had in any of my setups. But, feature wise it's out of date plain and simple. You few guys who say you do not need the upgrades are in the minority. The delays are getting tiresome and the work arounds are starting to be a pain in the butt. I love my XMC-1 also☺ |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 3, 2018 22:36:35 GMT -5
I love my XMC-1, it's the best sounding unit I've ever had in any of my setups. But, feature wise it's out of date plain and simple. You few guys who say you do not need the upgrades are in the minority. The delays are getting tiresome and the work arounds are starting to be a pain in the butt. I’m one of the few who does not need Atmos, but do need the V3 HDMI board. |
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Post by modicen on Jan 3, 2018 22:57:44 GMT -5
I also need the board more than I need atmos as I have 3 or 4 4k devices in my setup that I added of the course of this past year. Now I'm starting to gear up for atmos, I hope in the next 2 or 3 months it's ready.
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