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Post by jcz06 on Jul 29, 2018 13:27:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the ideas guys. The reason I am debating the 8805 is that I already have all the speakers and amps wired for 7.2.6. There isn't room in my place for 9.1.6, but I wanted Dirac as opposed to Audessey. Yeah once you commit to a 7.2.6 setup your options are limited. I think the RMC will be perfect for you, but can you wait 6+ months for it (I feel that’s about how far out we are on it, it may go on sale before that but it will have bugs for a bit so 6 months from now may be a good guess as to when it is up and solid)? If you can wait the time I would since you really want Dirac. I think if you got the 8805 you may always question if Dirac would be better (it is). If you need something now I would still strongly push for a AV8802 (find a used one on eBay or on a forum for maybe $1500). Use that till the RMC comes out. If you buy it around $1500 or so you would be able to sell it around the same price. That is my plan with the 8802 I bought (although I really like mine so far and I may not get the RMC anymore). I still am confident we will see it sooner than later.....but I understand the want/need to get the system up and running. I did that with the 7704 I owned and was very happy with it, I was able to get the speakers installed and have a working 7.2.4 speaker array. I did end up selling it to a buddy who is loving it. Luckily for me I am building the video side of my system now so I have some time before I need the RMC-1.....
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 29, 2018 13:40:56 GMT -5
The Sherbourn doesn’t meet any of your needs above what the HDMI 1.3 spec can provide. No Atmos/DTS-X and no 4K. If you’re looking for something that will meet your current needs, including Dirac, and be easy to resell once the RMC-1 is released, I would look no further than the NAD T 758 V3. This will give you everything you’re looking for while coming in at $300 below the cost of the Denon X4400 you’re also considering. HERE is a direct link to the T 758 V3 on Crutchfield’s website. Crutchfield offers a very generous 60 day return policy. To me, there’s no point in spending money on something that will not meet your needs and will be a difficult sell once you’re done with it. Hope this helps... The reasoning behind the Sherbourn was that it is a cheap fix until the RMC comes out. The buy it now price on the Sherbourn processor was $50 cheaper than the receiver which is why I asked about it. I can deal with 7.1 for a bit. Obviously I would prefer atmos, but don't want to get stuck with a receiver or processor that I can't sell later either and have to eat the cost. I do find it odd how some of these outdated processors still are trying to command such high resale values. The 4400 I could get for $900 vs the NAD. I like the NAD especially to have Dirac, but it strangely only has 3 hdmi inputs and would be $400 more for a temporary fix. Do you think someone would pay somewhat close to my new price for my used one? I just wish the RMC was here already. That would make this a lot easier. Buying anything with the expectation of being able to resell it for even 80% of its original cost is a gamble. Having said that, I do believe that you’d stand a better chance selling a used receiver than you would selling a processor only because there’s a bigger market. As with any AVR or AVP which uses Dirac, the license is not transferable and adds to the cost for the new buyer. So, I would not expect to get “close” (depending upon what you consider that to be) to what you originally paid for the NAD. Of course, if you need more than 3 HDMI inputs, then the NAD is a non-starter. Having mentioned that you can live without Atmos for awhile, if you can also live without Dirac (or any form of built-in “automatic” room correction), there’s also the Outlaw Model 976 to consider. At $899 (even cheaper if B stock is available), it won’t break the bank. If you’re handy with REW, there are internal PEQ filter banks which are supported within the REW software. Albeit a little more complicated, it does work quite well for room correction and doesn’t add to the bottom line cost to Outlaw. You, on the other hand, need to have a decent calibration mic (like the popular UMIK-1). Just another suggestion to consider...
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Post by twism on Jul 30, 2018 14:12:39 GMT -5
I went ahead and ordered a Marantz 8802a that should serve me well for the time being. I was holding off waiting for the RMC, but I was re-doing some media setups and needed the new processor at this time. I very well may get the RMC once it arrives if it is solid and the reviews are good, but for now the 8802a will do everything I need. Of course if I am perfectly happy with the 8802a Emotiva May have lost me on the RMC, but time will tell on that. Even if you think the 8802a is perfectly fine it will always be nagging you in the back of your mine, i know it would with me. The XMC is just so damn good i cant take that leap of faith and buy an Anthem it just doesnt look as good imho. FWIW i think the 8802a is temporary I made the jump as soon as the Anthem AVM 60 was released, came from the XMC-1. I knew that deep down I would miss out on a couple years or more of ATMOS if I wanted for Emotiva, so I bought the Anthem. It might not look as good, but I don't see it most of the time anyway. Attachments:
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Post by socketman on Jul 30, 2018 14:43:28 GMT -5
My worry is if the AVM60 will match the sound quality i hear now. Not really if it is better or worse but just that the XMC sounds exactly how i want things to sound, not sure if that makes sense. All i know is i have had an upscale Denon, a yamaha and the the XMC which just blew the doors right off the others, hate to lose that.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jul 30, 2018 15:37:23 GMT -5
My worry is if the AVM60 will match the sound quality i hear now. Not really if it is better or worse but just that the XMC sounds exactly how i want things to sound, not sure if that makes sense. All i know is i have had an upscale Denon, a yamaha and the the XMC which just blew the doors right off the others, hate to lose that. If you CAN wait indefinitely, you might as well. If not, I don’t think you’d miss the xmc as much as you think. If you don’t need any of the features you’re missing, hold tight..... It’ll arrive some day. And BTW the Anthem is prettier in person.
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Post by socketman on Jul 30, 2018 20:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by fizban16 on Jul 31, 2018 7:36:26 GMT -5
After a lot of trouble shooting this weekend, I got my receiver working again. Now I can limp along a bit longer. My birthday is in September. Emotiva a RMC-1 would be an awesome birthday present. Just saying... 😉
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Post by socketman on Jul 31, 2018 16:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by liv2teach on Jul 31, 2018 17:22:22 GMT -5
Well the day has finally arrived. My year long project, media room, is concluding next week and still no RMC-1. I'm not overly confident that it's going to be coming out anytime soon and that when it does it won't be bug filled like the recent XMC. Sooooo, what to do. I guess I can get something to hold me over in hopes that the RMC is released and fairly bug free in the not to distant future, or go all in on another processor (or receiver). The biggest reason to hold out for the RMC is I'm sit up (in wall and in ceiling speakers) for 9.-.6, and would love to utilize all of my speakers.... wish Emo would give an accurate update as to where they are in the process. After all, this thread has been going since 2016.....
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 31, 2018 18:28:06 GMT -5
Well the day has finally arrived. My year long project, media room, is concluding next week and still no RMC-1. I'm not overly confident that it's going to be coming out anytime soon and that when it does it won't be bug filled like the recent XMC. Sooooo, what to do. I guess I can get something to hold me over in hopes that the RMC is released and fairly bug free in the not to distant future, or go all in on another processor (or receiver). The biggest reason to hold out for the RMC is I'm sit up (in wall and in ceiling speakers) for 9.-.6, and would love to utilize all of my speakers.... wish Emo would give an accurate update as to where they are in the process. After all, this thread has been going since 2016..... This one is tough since you already have all of those speakers and I can’t think of a pre-pro for a reasonable price that can do 9.1.6. I would plan on 6 months for the RMC to be out and running stable. It could be more or slightly less than that, but it should be a good bench mark. I would suspect that you are getting the RMC when it comes out, so now the question is what to run for 6 months ish. You could get one of many 7.1 or even 7.1.2 AVRs in the $700-$500 range and it will be okay to hold you over. You could step up to a XMC-1, but for $2500 and no Atmos and still not stable 4K I don’t think that’s a great deal. I would consider maybe a refurbished denon or Marantz from accessories 4 less as they can be had for a foair price and hold you over for a bit. What ever you buy now you can always resale in 6 months or so and recoup some of that capital.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 31, 2018 18:32:32 GMT -5
Well the day has finally arrived. My year long project, media room, is concluding next week and still no RMC-1. I'm not overly confident that it's going to be coming out anytime soon and that when it does it won't be bug filled like the recent XMC. Sooooo, what to do. I guess I can get something to hold me over in hopes that the RMC is released and fairly bug free in the not to distant future, or go all in on another processor (or receiver). The biggest reason to hold out for the RMC is I'm sit up (in wall and in ceiling speakers) for 9.-.6, and would love to utilize all of my speakers.... wish Emo would give an accurate update as to where they are in the process. After all, this thread has been going since 2016..... The "update" is a pretty simple bit of educated guessing. Right now they are working on fixing the obscure bugs in the 4K HDMI HDCP board, the not so obscure bugs are mostly already fixed (eg; mine works just fine). When that is finished they will complete work on the Atmos/DTS-X board and it will be available for the XMC-1 first. So any obscure bugs in it can be revealed by in field testing. I don't expect it to be as troublesome as the 4K board because the Atmos and DTS-X standards are many times more defined than the HDMI/HDCP standards. Once the obscure bugs are resolved then it will be incorporated into the RMC-1 and it will be beta tested by Emotiva's usual group of beta testers. Once that is complete it will be available for sale. I don't have a timeline for the above and I suspect neither do Emotiva, so your guess is just as good as mine. Cheers Gary
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 31, 2018 18:45:18 GMT -5
Well the day has finally arrived. My year long project, media room, is concluding next week and still no RMC-1. I'm not overly confident that it's going to be coming out anytime soon and that when it does it won't be bug filled like the recent XMC. Sooooo, what to do. I guess I can get something to hold me over in hopes that the RMC is released and fairly bug free in the not to distant future, or go all in on another processor (or receiver). The biggest reason to hold out for the RMC is I'm sit up (in wall and in ceiling speakers) for 9.-.6, and would love to utilize all of my speakers.... wish Emo would give an accurate update as to where they are in the process. After all, this thread has been going since 2016..... The "update" is a pretty simple bit of educated guessing. Right now they are working on fixing the obscure bugs in the 4K HDMI HDCP board, the not so obscure bugs are mostly already fixed (eg; mine works just fine). When that is finished they will complete work on the Atmos/DTS-X board and it will be available for the XMC-1 first. So any obscure bugs in it can be revealed by in field testing. I don't expect it to be as troublesome as the 4K board because the Atmos and DTS-X standards are many times more defined than the HDMI/HDCP standards. Once the obscure bugs are resolved then it will be incorporated into the RMC-1 and it will be beta tested by Emotiva's usual group of beta testers. Once that is complete it will be available for sale. I don't have a timeline for the above and I suspect neither do Emotiva, so your guess is just as good as mine. Cheers Gary Where exactly did you get your information Gary? It didn't come from this forum. All accounts on this forum have the order as RMC-1 first, then the new XMC-1 Gen 3 (stupid name), then the Atmos/DTX:X uograde to the XMC-1 Gen 2. No where on this forum I have seen has it said the XMC-1 Gen 2 uograde would come first. So please elaborate.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 31, 2018 18:45:46 GMT -5
Forget about processors, tell me about the your SX950 Cheers Gary
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jul 31, 2018 18:47:10 GMT -5
Feel free to stop in for a Java or a Pepsi.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 31, 2018 18:59:58 GMT -5
The "update" is a pretty simple bit of educated guessing. Right now they are working on fixing the obscure bugs in the 4K HDMI HDCP board, the not so obscure bugs are mostly already fixed (eg; mine works just fine). When that is finished they will complete work on the Atmos/DTS-X board and it will be available for the XMC-1 first. So any obscure bugs in it can be revealed by in field testing. I don't expect it to be as troublesome as the 4K board because the Atmos and DTS-X standards are many times more defined than the HDMI/HDCP standards. Once the obscure bugs are resolved then it will be incorporated into the RMC-1 and it will be beta tested by Emotiva's usual group of beta testers. Once that is complete it will be available for sale. I don't have a timeline for the above and I suspect neither do Emotiva, so your guess is just as good as mine. Where exactly did you get your information Gary? It didn't come from this forum. All accounts on this forum have the order as RMC-1 first, then the new XMC-1 Gen 3 (stupid name), then the Atmos/DTX:X uograde to the XMC-1 Gen 2. No where on this forum I have seen has it said the XMC-1 Gen 2 uograde would come first. So please elaborate. As I posted "educated guessing" With the recent experience of the in field and often obscure issues with the XMC-1 4K board I don't believe that it would be very smart to release a company's top shelf processor, which the RMC-1 most certainly is, without fully testing the risky bits first. The best, and I believe only, way to do that is in the field which means having the Atmos/DTS-X board in XMC-1's to get sufficient numbers to have any confidence in releasing the RMC-1. To what undoubtedly will be a much more demanding customer base. Just reading the responses from the XMC-1 guys who have done or had done the 4K board upgrade, we are so thankful that our XMC-1's are able to be upgraded that we are far more tolerant of issues than someone who has spent $5K on a brand new, top shelf processor. The fall out on dealing with issues will be minuscule compared to the market place ravaging that will happen if the RMC-1 comes out with issues in what will undoubtedly be complex systems, otherwise why buy an RMC-1. Not confusing the above with the XMC-1 Gen 3 which my take on was to come after the RMC-1. Repeating, "your guess is just as good as mine". Cheers Gary
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 31, 2018 19:29:08 GMT -5
Where exactly did you get your information Gary? It didn't come from this forum. All accounts on this forum have the order as RMC-1 first, then the new XMC-1 Gen 3 (stupid name), then the Atmos/DTX:X uograde to the XMC-1 Gen 2. No where on this forum I have seen has it said the XMC-1 Gen 2 uograde would come first. So please elaborate. As I posted "educated guessing" With the recent experience of the in field and often obscure issues with the XMC-1 4K board I don't believe that it would be very smart to release a company's top shelf processor, which the RMC-1 most certainly is, without fully testing the risky bits first. The best, and I believe only, way to do that is in the field which means having the Atmos/DTS-X board in XMC-1's to get sufficient numbers to have any confidence in releasing the RMC-1. To what undoubtedly will be a much more demanding customer base. Just reading the responses from the XMC-1 guys who have done or had done the 4K board upgrade, we are so thankful that our XMC-1's are able to be upgraded that we are far more tolerant of issues than someone who has spent $5K on a brand new, top shelf processor. The fall out on dealing with issues will be minuscule compared to the market place ravaging that will happen if the RMC-1 comes out with issues in what will undoubtedly be complex systems, otherwise why buy an RMC-1. Not confusing the above with the XMC-1 Gen 3 which my take on was to come after the RMC-1. Repeating, "your guess is just as good as mine". Cheers Gary I interpreted your original post a little differently than you intended. It sounded like you knew the order of events with fact, but you were just guessing on the timeline of events. Sorry I misinterpreted and thanks for clairifying. I personally agree with all your logic above. Makes complete sense. I have 3 things to say about it at this moment. First, its not what Emotiva and others have hinted at. Second, if they follow your order, I feel it might put the RMC-1 timeline out to more like a full year away. Which leads to 3rd, with a timeline like that, wow is this forum going to go to hell in a loaded bucket, as might Emotiva. Oh and I guess one more thing, I REALLY hope this all gets worked out for everyone's sake. I don't think they have ever been in a bigger pickle "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation than right now. I hope they can pull through and all can come out unscathed on the other side.
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Post by liv2teach on Aug 1, 2018 0:01:21 GMT -5
Well the day has finally arrived. My year long project, media room, is concluding next week and still no RMC-1. I'm not overly confident that it's going to be coming out anytime soon and that when it does it won't be bug filled like the recent XMC. Sooooo, what to do. I guess I can get something to hold me over in hopes that the RMC is released and fairly bug free in the not to distant future, or go all in on another processor (or receiver). The biggest reason to hold out for the RMC is I'm sit up (in wall and in ceiling speakers) for 9.-.6, and would love to utilize all of my speakers.... wish Emo would give an accurate update as to where they are in the process. After all, this thread has been going since 2016..... This one is tough since you already have all of those speakers and I can’t think of a pre-pro for a reasonable price that can do 9.1.6. I would plan on 6 months for the RMC to be out and running stable. It could be more or slightly less than that, but it should be a good bench mark. I would suspect that you are getting the RMC when it comes out, so now the question is what to run for 6 months ish. You could get one of many 7.1 or even 7.1.2 AVRs in the $700-$500 range and it will be okay to hold you over. You could step up to a XMC-1, but for $2500 and no Atmos and still not stable 4K I don’t think that’s a great deal. I would consider maybe a refurbished denon or Marantz from accessories 4 less as they can be had for a foair price and hold you over for a bit. What ever you buy now you can always resale in 6 months or so and recoup some of that capital. Thanks for the tip on accessories 4 less.... I'll head on over and check it out. I did buy an Outlaw 990 already for temporary use.... paid a whopping $190 for it....but I'm not sure it's going to be a good six month holdover, I'm thinking along with you...Marantz.
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Post by liv2teach on Aug 1, 2018 0:07:18 GMT -5
Forget about processors, tell me about the your SX950 Cheers Gary Love the 950, but it's a real bear to cram that 10 awg wire into those little holes on the back....LOL. Can't even get the 14 awg in, I ordered a set of pins from Parts Express, but in the meantime I'll stick with the zip cord. There's something about the sound of these old "Pioneer" receivers I like (nostalgia). I have the 950 running an old pair of Fisher 85a speakers (had to replace the woofers), with the classic rock radio station. It's not perfect by today's standards, but to my ears it's one sweet sound.
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Post by liv2teach on Aug 1, 2018 0:46:08 GMT -5
Well the day has finally arrived. My year long project, media room, is concluding next week and still no RMC-1. I'm not overly confident that it's going to be coming out anytime soon and that when it does it won't be bug filled like the recent XMC. Sooooo, what to do. I guess I can get something to hold me over in hopes that the RMC is released and fairly bug free in the not to distant future, or go all in on another processor (or receiver). The biggest reason to hold out for the RMC is I'm sit up (in wall and in ceiling speakers) for 9.-.6, and would love to utilize all of my speakers.... wish Emo would give an accurate update as to where they are in the process. After all, this thread has been going since 2016..... This one is tough since you already have all of those speakers and I can’t think of a pre-pro for a reasonable price that can do 9.1.6. I would plan on 6 months for the RMC to be out and running stable. It could be more or slightly less than that, but it should be a good bench mark. I would suspect that you are getting the RMC when it comes out, so now the question is what to run for 6 months ish. You could get one of many 7.1 or even 7.1.2 AVRs in the $700-$500 range and it will be okay to hold you over. You could step up to a XMC-1, but for $2500 and no Atmos and still not stable 4K I don’t think that’s a great deal. I would consider maybe a refurbished denon or Marantz from accessories 4 less as they can be had for a foair price and hold you over for a bit. What ever you buy now you can always resale in 6 months or so and recoup some of that capital. How do you like your Marantz 8802A? That's what I'm seriously considering....
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 1, 2018 1:06:27 GMT -5
As I posted "educated guessing" With the recent experience of the in field and often obscure issues with the XMC-1 4K board I don't believe that it would be very smart to release a company's top shelf processor, which the RMC-1 most certainly is, without fully testing the risky bits first. The best, and I believe only, way to do that is in the field which means having the Atmos/DTS-X board in XMC-1's to get sufficient numbers to have any confidence in releasing the RMC-1. To what undoubtedly will be a much more demanding customer base. Just reading the responses from the XMC-1 guys who have done or had done the 4K board upgrade, we are so thankful that our XMC-1's are able to be upgraded that we are far more tolerant of issues than someone who has spent $5K on a brand new, top shelf processor. The fall out on dealing with issues will be minuscule compared to the market place ravaging that will happen if the RMC-1 comes out with issues in what will undoubtedly be complex systems, otherwise why buy an RMC-1. Not confusing the above with the XMC-1 Gen 3 which my take on was to come after the RMC-1. Repeating, "your guess is just as good as mine". I interpreted your original post a little differently than you intended. It sounded like you knew the order of events with fact, but you were just guessing on the timeline of events. Sorry I misinterpreted and thanks for clairifying. I personally agree with all your logic above. Makes complete sense. I have 3 things to say about it at this moment. First, its not what Emotiva and others have hinted at. Second, if they follow your order, I feel it might put the RMC-1 timeline out to more like a full year away. Which leads to 3rd, with a timeline like that, wow is this forum going to go to hell in a loaded bucket, as might Emotiva. Oh and I guess one more thing, I REALLY hope this all gets worked out for everyone's sake. I don't think they have ever been in a bigger pickle "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation than right now. I hope they can pull through and all can come out unscathed on the other side. In my view (that means I'm still guessing) there's at least a month in finding and correcting the remaining obscure issues in the XMC-1 4K board. That to me is an absolute must do before even thinking about the RMC-1. Then there is the Atmos/DTSX board to complete, I haven't heard anything about production boards being on the way, like we did with the 4K board. So I suspect (still guessing) that whatever software development has been done was on pre production and/or engineering boards. There's at least a 2 or 3 months of pipeline from when the final sign off is given for the production boards and when they will arrive in Franklin. In the interim software development and testing would continue, including beta testing by the usual suspects. Once the Atmos/DTSX board with software is ready my guess is it will be available for XMC-1 upgrades. Then it's in field testing by the once more grateful XMC-1 owners which I'd probably allow at least a month for, plus debugging time. Based on my guesses for rock solid 4K and Atmos/DTS-X boards tested in XMC-1's that means August + 1 month + 3 months + 1 month = February 2019. Post the digital stuff, I don't believe that the analogue stages of the RMC-1 will take that long to finalise, I suspect (yep more guessing) that they might already be locked in. As is the overall packaging. Call it another month post XMC-1 upgrades = March 2019. That's my educated guess, what's yours? Should we ask Dan Laufman for a raffle, closest one to the release date wins a free RMC-1 Cheers Gary
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