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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 5, 2018 1:53:08 GMT -5
So my suspicion is that it is just very labour intensive and not worth the hassle and expense to provide the extra metadata for a few people. I highly doubt metadata in and of itself consumes much space. From my limited knowledge based on brief discussions with the sound mixer I know the pinning process is done after the HT mix, as a result I’m not sure how it saves any time/money. Maybe because they know that it’s going to be pinned they don’t spend as much time mixing the objects in. As mentioned previously I can only see marketing reasons for the movie itself, telling everyone it’s “Atmos 7.1.4 “ which has to better than 7.1 or 5.1 as it has more numbers. Or marketing reasons for the hardware manufacturers, they want to sell 7.1.4 processors and AVR’s. They don’t want people waiting for more channels/objects, they want to sell what they have already developed. Maybe DTS-X (which is 7.1.4 and free) was winning market share so Dolby had to match it? From what I can tell DTS-X at 7.1.4 uses much less bandwidth than Atmos, that’s why Dolby had to come up with Atmos over Dolby Digital 5.1. So space has some relevance. It’s a similar problem with Dolby Vision, which needs more bandwidth than HDR10. Cheers Gary
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Post by cwt on Aug 5, 2018 2:09:38 GMT -5
The only purpose that I can see for 7.1.4 pinning is space. It's the same reason why Dolby came out with Atmos over 5.1 Dolby Digital, space (bandwidth). For the 4K movies that I have the extras are on a separate disk, why if not for space reasons? I cant fault the logic of filmixer and sdurani Gary ;consider all the setups that are geared for standard 5.1 mixes and how this new process meshes with this ; granted you are correct about what remuneration they receive The old saying "time is money " may apply ? Must say upscaling algorithms don't cut it for me ;discrete is always best
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 5, 2018 2:16:13 GMT -5
Just go to the movies once a week...lol
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Post by donh50 on Aug 5, 2018 11:17:19 GMT -5
Just go to the movies once a week...lol But then I wouldn't be able to afford the RMC-1...
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 5, 2018 13:52:56 GMT -5
Just go to the movies once a week...lol But then I wouldn't be able to afford the RMC-1... Good point. Last time I went to the movies I spent $100. Inflation? 🤔
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Post by adaboy on Aug 5, 2018 19:41:53 GMT -5
But then I wouldn't be able to afford the RMC-1... Good point. Last time I went to the movies I spent $100. Inflation? 🤔 Dude who did you take... The Brady Bunch? Wow $100 😂 ouch. Was it one of those dinning theaters? I haven't been to the movies since Star wars force awakens. I like my theater better ⭐
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Post by socketman on Aug 5, 2018 19:58:16 GMT -5
Good point. Last time I went to the movies I spent $100. Inflation? 🤔 Dude who did you take... The Brady Bunch? Wow $100 😂 ouch. Was it one of those dinning theaters? I haven't been to the movies since Star wars force awakens. I like my theater better ⭐ Im with you, i would rather stay home i have to pee too often LOL. Last movie we saw the screen was too big, and the picture was washed out and it was too loud and cramped. I couldnt even get by the other people to get out, plus i make better popcorn.
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 5, 2018 20:02:33 GMT -5
The only purpose that I can see for 7.1.4 pinning is space. It's the same reason why Dolby came out with Atmos over 5.1 Dolby Digital, space (bandwidth). For the 4K movies that I have the extras are on a separate disk, why if not for space reasons? I cant fault the logic of filmixer and sdurani Gary ;consider all the setups that are geared for standard 5.1 mixes and how this new process meshes with this ; granted you are correct about what remuneration they receive The old saying "time is money " may apply ? Must say upscaling algorithms don't cut it for me ;discrete is always best I read pretty much everything FilmMixer posts on Atmos and I don't think that anything I have posted disagrees with what he has posted. Of course he is looking at it from a professional sense and I'm coming from the consumer direction. For example in that particular post he refers to the comparison with DTS-X and it's delivery, ie; one file compared to two files for non pinned Atmos, whereas pinned Atmos can also be one file. Of course that has applications to streaming, which I referred to, that is overtaking disks in movie studio importance (if it already hasn't). Live applications in Atmos, such as sport coverage, is going to be interesting. Especially as the sports broadcasters pretty much ignore sound in their coverage, it's all about the video. It's hardly stereo now, let alone DD 5.1, so going to Atmos is a big step or 20. Cheers Gary
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 5, 2018 20:09:47 GMT -5
Dude who did you take... The Brady Bunch? Wow $100 😂 ouch. Was it one of those dinning theaters? I haven't been to the movies since Star wars force awakens. I like my theater better ⭐ Im with you, i would rather stay home i have to pee too often LOL. Last movie we saw the screen was too big, and the picture was washed out and it was too loud and cramped. I couldnt even get by the other people to get out, plus i make better popcorn. No way to make better popcorn. The popcorn at the movies is $10 for the small size so it must be better...
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Post by socketman on Aug 5, 2018 21:00:44 GMT -5
what i dont get is the movies make millions yet the theaters suffer enough they have to make their money on the concession.
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Post by cwt on Aug 6, 2018 7:55:13 GMT -5
I read pretty much everything FilmMixer posts on Atmos and I don't think that anything I have posted disagrees with what he has posted. Of course he is looking at it from a professional sense and I'm coming from the consumer direction. For example in that particular post he refers to the comparison with DTS-X and it's delivery, ie; one file compared to two files for non pinned Atmos, whereas pinned Atmos can also be one file. Of course that has applications to streaming, which I referred to, that is overtaking disks in movie studio importance (if it already hasn't). Live applications in Atmos, such as sport coverage, is going to be interesting. Especially as the sports broadcasters pretty much ignore sound in their coverage, it's all about the video. It's hardly stereo now, let alone DD 5.1, so going to Atmos is a big step or 20. Yes Gary ;know what you mean; sometimes hard to divorce the two. I try to look at it from a macro perspective and that puts work product and accessibility to product for differing sectors as the main drivers not fitting audio metadata [didn't affect dd5.1 say for its dial norm metadata sizewise so how much more for UHD ? ; not that I know myself I hasten to add..] -that just means more time at the work desk and as they say ; time is money . I get the feeling that its the lowest common denominator they can get away with sometimes Presently downsizing some 3d iso's to bd25 from bd50 size so will be interesting to find out how AVC compresses ;emulating what we may end up with in the future if they get 1/2 a chance..
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