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Post by novisnick on Jun 9, 2018 23:24:26 GMT -5
Shouldn’t this get similar V3 board as well? 😋  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 10, 2018 2:53:15 GMT -5
Right, a fully upgraded XMC-1 Gen 2 at $3000, and an Gen 3 for $3500. The XMR-1 is too far away to be worrying about, but I’d be expecting around $4K. Where are these definitions? XMC-1 gen 1 XMC-1 gen 2 XMC-1 gen 3  ? I was thinking along the lines of; XMC-1 gen 1 = the original 1.4 board ($1200. To $1999) Somewhere in here the 1.4 board was replaced for a single 4K HDMI ( $400 and free upgrade to all 4K out HDMI XMC-1 gen 2 = new V3 board to add all 4K HDMI ($500) XMC-1 gen 3 = V3 board and Atmos ($500 by itself or $400 when done together with V3 upgrade) XMR-1 = V3 board with 8 HDMI 4K AND Atmos speakers out. This is 11 powered channels and two subs out RMC-1 = 7 4K HDMI and Atmos with 16 channel XLR out, no amp and priced at $5K picture shows 13 channels plus three subs out This is what I recall, right wrong or different. It would be VERY kind if an Emotiva executive would clarify my stab at my recollection. -The XMC-1 Gen 1 was never released (would have had silver trim for Bonzo) -The XMC-1 Gen 2 is what we have now, as far as I know there are no official designation for having upgrades -The XMC-1 Gen 3 was announced to be the the new box with 4K & Atmos built in, Balanced L/C/R, all XLR outs (though nobody likes the name and most think it should be called the XMC-2) Any other designations for the XMC-1 are just musings about the boards by bored board members. 😏 There’s another whole thread about the RMC-1 ‘flagship processor’ so let’s leave that out of this, as well as the XMR-1 ‘receiver’. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 10, 2018 3:58:24 GMT -5
Where are these definitions? XMC-1 gen 1 XMC-1 gen 2 XMC-1 gen 3 ? I was thinking along the lines of; XMC-1 gen 1 = the original 1.4 board ($1200. To $1999) Somewhere in here the 1.4 board was replaced for a single 4K HDMI ( $400 and free upgrade to all 4K out HDMI XMC-1 gen 2 = new V3 board to add all 4K HDMI ($500) XMC-1 gen 3 = V3 board and Atmos ($500 by itself or $400 when done together with V3 upgrade) XMR-1 = V3 board with 8 HDMI 4K AND Atmos speakers out. This is 11 powered channels and two subs out RMC-1 = 7 4K HDMI and Atmos with 16 channel XLR out, no amp and priced at $5K picture shows 13 channels plus three subs out This is what I recall, right wrong or different. It would be VERY kind if an Emotiva executive would clarify my stab at my recollection. -The XMC-1 Gen 1 was never released (would have had silver trim for Bonzo) -The XMC-1 Gen 2 is what we have now, as far as I know there are no official designation for having upgrades -The XMC-1 Gen 3 was announced to be the the new box with 4K & Atmos built in, Balanced L/C/R, all XLR outs (though nobody likes the name and most think it should be called the XMC-2) Any other designations for the XMC-1 are just musings about the boards by bored board members. 😏 There’s another whole thread about the RMC-1 ‘flagship processor’ so let’s leave that out of this, as well as the XMR-1 ‘receiver’. Hi Nick, the problem with your pricing comparison (based on my very dodgy memory) is that the original (that is Gen 1, silver trims are irrelevant) promised" price was $1499. When released that went to $1999. Then it went to $2499 when the distributor model was introduced. The Gen 2 is referred to by Dan as including the original 4K HDMI upgrade, which was free to some owners. Then the upgraded 4K board ( which was also free to some owners) and the Atmos board. Which combined they are supposed to cost $800. So the Gen 2 cost could be $2499 + $800 = $3299. If the Gen 3 costs $3,499 that's only $200 more than many paid for the Gen 1 and Gen 2 plus upgrades. Doesn't seem all that fair to me. Cheers Gary |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 10, 2018 4:26:00 GMT -5
Hi Nick, the problem with your pricing comparison (based on my very dodgy memory) is that the original (that is Gen 1, silver trims are irrelevant) promised" price was $1499. When released that went to $1999. Then it went to $2499 when the distributor model was introduced. The Gen 2 is referred to by Dan as including the original 4K HDMI upgrade, which was free to some owners. Then the upgraded 4K board ( which was also free to some owners) and the Atmos board. Which combined they are supposed to cost $800. So the Gen 2 cost could be $2499 + $800 = $3299. If the Gen 3 costs $3,499 that's only $200 more than many paid for the Gen 1 and Gen 2 plus upgrades. Doesn't seem all that fair to me. Cheers Gary Even if the Gen 3 comes out at close to the same price some paid for their Gen 2 + upgrades, why would anyone be upset? More power to Emotiva for bringing the price down. Early adopters do subsidize the cost a bit, that's the way these things go. I'd hate to see Emotiva jack up the price just to keep those who bought in earlier happy. Besides, I doubt there are many people who will end up paying $3,299 total for the upgrades when all is said and done. I know I'll be well under that. That's part of the reason, despite some grumbling on my part, I haven't stepped away from the XMC-1. As an early adopter, I paid such a reasonable price for what I get. I think most owners who paid $2,499 for the XMC-1 get the V3 board for free. The only people who paid full price and don't get it for free are people who got the V2 board for free. I could see them being unhappy, but I doubt it's a big portion of the population. |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 10, 2018 4:36:58 GMT -5
Stupid question - are there any photos out there of what the upgrade module looks like? For either this, or the Atmos board...?
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Post by cwt on Jun 10, 2018 5:35:18 GMT -5
Stupid question - are there any photos out there of what the upgrade module looks like? For either this, or the Atmos board...? Dan shows the 2,0b hdmi board around 41 sec in ; ignore the timeline  youtu.be/z1z3j8ov2rE |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jun 10, 2018 8:04:37 GMT -5
Great find, cwt - I think the timeline is fascinating. "Board is shipping now"... no comment... |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 10, 2018 8:21:23 GMT -5
He should get into politics
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 10, 2018 8:47:24 GMT -5
Hi Nick, the problem with your pricing comparison (based on my very dodgy memory) is that the original (that is Gen 1, silver trims are irrelevant) promised" price was $1499. When released that went to $1999. Then it went to $2499 when the distributor model was introduced. The Gen 2 is referred to by Dan as including the original 4K HDMI upgrade, which was free to some owners. Then the upgraded 4K board ( which was also free to some owners) and the Atmos board. Which combined they are supposed to cost $800. So the Gen 2 cost could be $2499 + $800 = $3299. If the Gen 3 costs $3,499 that's only $200 more than many paid for the Gen 1 and Gen 2 plus upgrades. Doesn't seem all that fair to me. Cheers Gary Even if the Gen 3 comes out at close to the same price some paid for their Gen 2 + upgrades, why would anyone be upset? More power to Emotiva for bringing the price down. Early adopters do subsidize the cost a bit, that's the way these things go. I'd hate to see Emotiva jack up the price just to keep those who bought in earlier happy. Besides, I doubt there are many people who will end up paying $3,299 total for the upgrades when all is said and done. I know I'll be well under that. That's part of the reason, despite some grumbling on my part, I haven't stepped away from the XMC-1. As an early adopter, I paid such a reasonable price for what I get. I think most owners who paid $2,499 for the XMC-1 get the V3 board for free. The only people who paid full price and don't get it for free are people who got the V2 board for free. I could see them being unhappy, but I doubt it's a big portion of the population. I agree. It’s no different than any other consumer electronics purchase, the next year model is usually more feature rich and it sells for the same price as the last year model. Really the XMC-1 @3499 represents an upswing in price which is unfortunately pretty consistent with Emotivas pricing in general over the past few years. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 10, 2018 9:22:04 GMT -5
Great find, cwt - I think the timeline is fascinating. "Board is shipping now"... no comment... They did ship, but just to beta testers. |
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Post by mr on Jun 10, 2018 11:42:07 GMT -5
Stupid question - are there any photos out there of what the upgrade module looks like? For either this, or the Atmos board...? First post in this thread -- 50 pages back -- shows the V3 HDMI module. |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 10, 2018 12:23:52 GMT -5
Stupid question - are there any photos out there of what the upgrade module looks like? For either this, or the Atmos board...? First post in this thread -- 50 pages back -- shows the V3 HDMI module. The pictures aren’t there. At least I can’t see them on my browser. |
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Post by mr on Jun 10, 2018 13:06:36 GMT -5
First post in this thread -- 50 pages back -- shows the V3 HDMI module. The pictures aren’t there. At least I can’t see them on my browser. V3 module posted by Dan on 2-1-18  Attachments:
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Post by novisnick on Jun 10, 2018 13:12:44 GMT -5
The pictures aren’t there. At least I can’t see them on my browser. V3 module posted by Dan on 2-1-18 Thanks so much, I have it on file now. 👍 |
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Post by just1istening on Jun 11, 2018 7:12:09 GMT -5
I never noticed they went to a new supplier for the boards.
Did they stop dealing with mds? It looks like jade is in Franklin Tennessee and has an almost non visible website, is this an emotiva subsidiary?
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 11, 2018 8:09:34 GMT -5
They're doing it in house; Emotiva is a subsidiary of Jade Design (I believe Big Dan is the CEO of both).
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 11, 2018 8:14:29 GMT -5
Jade Design is the name of Emotiva eBay Store as well. I got my last Emotiva XPA-200 out of their eBay Store for $275 shipped. It was brand new, never opened.
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Post by richb on Jun 11, 2018 8:52:00 GMT -5
The important part of the board are the Panasonic chips - Rich |
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Post by Hair Nick on Jun 11, 2018 14:49:18 GMT -5
Jade is the parent company that Emotiva resides under.
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Post by mr on Jun 11, 2018 14:56:27 GMT -5
I am wondering if there is anyone here, or elsewhere, who might estimate/guess how many of these boards Emotiva might sell?
I know at least two wait lists exist. First, there is the DIY group, then the group (including me) who will opt to have the Wizards Of Franklin do the install.
Any guesses? 50? 500? 5000?
I also wonder if the frustrating (for us and for them) difficulties bringing this V3 board to market, and the anxieties surrounding the upcoming ATMOS board, might cause Emo to rethink their vaunted modular upgrade policy? That would be too bad, but somewhat understandable.
--Mike
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