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Post by novisnick on Jun 13, 2018 18:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by edrummereasye on Jun 13, 2018 18:45:38 GMT -5
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Post by richb on Jun 13, 2018 18:46:44 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, an actual question about the V3 board. With my XMC-1 I've used both HDMI outputs to connect two different 1080P capable TVs (living room, bedroom). The bedroom TV doesn't get audio, which I assume is because the audio is routed to the XMC-1 for processing (as selected in setup). I've used a Zone 2 speaker system to get sound in the bedroom when I watch something from the main system there (rather rare actually). With "The Credenza" (new furniture project) I will be rewiring quite a bit, and will be adding a UHD TV (probably the Sony 85-900F!). So the potential now exists to have two different resolutions on the different V3 outputs -- 2160P on HDMI 2 w/ARC, and 1080P on HDMI 1 (in the unlikely event I keep the humongous HDMI cable running to the bedroom). I remember with old HDMI 'splitters' you would get the lowest common denominator of the two displays on both, I doubt that's the case any more, but will the V3 board properly send the correct resolution to both displays? I'll probably run a couple CAT-6 to replace the HDMI, but that involves crawling through the crawlspace, which no longer appeals to me (though my wife is often willing!) But I don't believe HDBaseT would change the question? That is a good question. The answer is it still sets itself to the highest common denominator. That is if the highest resolution both can do is 1080, then that is what you get when both are turned on. The reason for this is in order to get different resolutions on each output you have to have a scaling engine for each output so that the input can be set to the maximum the source device can do and the scalers will simply down res to what each TV can handle. In the case of the V3 board, there are no scalers, its simply a very elaborate set of switches. Lonnie An HDFury Vertex may work for you: XMC-1 HDMI-1 -> Direct to the UHD Display XMC-1 HDMI-2 -> HDFury Vertex -> 1080P display. So long as you are not trying to convert HDR to SDR, this solution should work. HDFury has other products and you may want to contact them or post your question on the AVSForum HDFury Vertex thread. - Rich |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2018 18:59:15 GMT -5
An HDFury Vertex may work for you: XMC-1 HDMI-1 -> Direct to the UHD Display XMC-1 HDMI-2 -> HDFury Vertex -> 1080P display. So long as you are not trying to convert HDR to SDR, this solution should work. HDFury has other products and you may want to contact them or post your question on the AVSForum HDFury Vertex thread. - Rich Thanks, enricoclaudio mentioned that too. I was tearing out cables today and came across the HDMI to the bedroom, it will take extra work to reroute it to the Credenza so I thought I’d find out if it’s worth the trouble. For as little as I use it I don’t think so, but if I run the Cat 6 it gives me the option, good to know it’s there. |
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Post by 2muchht on Jun 13, 2018 23:11:34 GMT -5
If you find yourself in a situation where the use of one 1080p and one 2160p device connected to the new board defaults them both to 1080p, you might want to look at www.marseilleinc.com/cinema-edition/ if you don't like the internal scalar in your display. Some are good; some not so much. I've seen this before and saw them again at E3 yesterday. VERY impressive results for 1080p or lower games when connected to the top-of-the-line LG OLED. Just a thought. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 14, 2018 9:04:38 GMT -5
If you find yourself in a situation where the use of one 1080p and one 2160p device connected to the new board defaults them both to 1080p, you might want to look at www.marseilleinc.com/cinema-edition/ if you don't like the internal scalar in your display. Some are good; some not so much. I've seen this before and saw them again at E3 yesterday. VERY impressive results for 1080p or lower games when connected to the top-of-the-line LG OLED. Just a thought. That product upscales only. The HDFury Vertex upscales or downscales to each display's best resolution. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 14, 2018 9:08:05 GMT -5
If you find yourself in a situation where the use of one 1080p and one 2160p device connected to the new board defaults them both to 1080p, you might want to look at www.marseilleinc.com/cinema-edition/ if you don't like the internal scalar in your display. Some are good; some not so much. I've seen this before and saw them again at E3 yesterday. VERY impressive results for 1080p or lower games when connected to the top-of-the-line LG OLED. Just a thought. That product upscales only. The HDFury Vertex upscales or downscales to each display's best resolution. It will fool the source that each display is equally 4K compatable. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 14, 2018 10:00:12 GMT -5
He would only need the HDFury if he was watching something in both places at the same time. If only the living room 4K device is on, he will get 4K, if only the bedroom then 1080p.
Since AudioHTIT indicated he didn't use it(the bedroom TV) much, it doesn't really seem worth it, and, depending on the bedroom TV specs, the $350 cost of the Vertex may be better used toward a 4K TV in the bedroom. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 14, 2018 10:18:03 GMT -5
He would only need the HDFury if he was watching something in both places at the same time. If only the living room 4K device is on, he will get 4K, if only the bedroom then 1080p.
Since AudioHTIT indicated he didn't use it(the bedroom TV) much, it doesn't really seem worth it, and, depending on the bedroom TV specs, the $350 cost of the Vertex may be better used toward a 4K TV in the bedroom. Well, AudioHTIT isn't the only one who is going to have a problem. The FuryHD solves all and allows simultaneous displays regardless of display resolution. Each situation has its own unique solution. |
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Post by richb on Jun 14, 2018 10:41:35 GMT -5
He would only need the HDFury if he was watching something in both places at the same time. If only the living room 4K device is on, he will get 4K, if only the bedroom then 1080p.
Since AudioHTIT indicated he didn't use it(the bedroom TV) much, it doesn't really seem worth it, and, depending on the bedroom TV specs, the $350 cost of the Vertex may be better used toward a 4K TV in the bedroom. Some devices respond to HDMI when powered off so with both connected, it may still limit the system to 1080p. There is no harm is trying it first though. - Rich |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 14, 2018 10:46:09 GMT -5
If you find yourself in a situation where the use of one 1080p and one 2160p device connected to the new board defaults them both to 1080p, you might want to look at www.marseilleinc.com/cinema-edition/ if you don't like the internal scalar in your display. Some are good; some not so much. I've seen this before and saw them again at E3 yesterday. VERY impressive results for 1080p or lower games when connected to the top-of-the-line LG OLED. Just a thought. Reading this, it sounds like a 4K version of the Darbee |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 14, 2018 11:08:43 GMT -5
He would only need the HDFury if he was watching something in both places at the same time. If only the living room 4K device is on, he will get 4K, if only the bedroom then 1080p.
Since AudioHTIT indicated he didn't use it(the bedroom TV) much, it doesn't really seem worth it, and, depending on the bedroom TV specs, the $350 cost of the Vertex may be better used toward a 4K TV in the bedroom. Good point, I agree. I think overall the times we’ve played the same thing in both places — when not using our Hopper/Joey which can already do this — can be counted on both hands. It wasn’t really worth the effort we put into running the HDMI cable which was considerable, the current cable also wouldn’t pass 4K HDR, and then there’s the sound issue to rethink as I’m hoping to get a new Zone amp as well. So even a 2nd 4K TV would require more work and expense (besides the TV). The second output seems best suited for projectors or additional monitors in the same room. It’s good though to spark conversation about the V3 board, and learn more about the solutions available to solve these issues. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jun 14, 2018 11:58:02 GMT -5
As a reminder as to why we love 4K HDR - the US (golf) Open and the World Cup are both being telecast in 4K HDR on DirecTV starting today (June 14)  Now, back to your regularly scheduled anticipation thread |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jun 14, 2018 12:40:49 GMT -5
Gentleman, The bug list we published a few weeks back was entirely correct and has been resolved. What we didn't realize though was one of the bugs was actually masking a couple of others that have been very difficult to resolve. One in particular has eaten up 100% of our engineering resources for the past three weeks. We have one projector and one TV that when they are in Standby are throwing out garbage information down the line and causing the video board to lock up. The difficulty here is sifting through the garbage to determine when the TV/Projector is actually On or in standby and should be ignored. For those of you that don't know much about HDMI, let me just say that this behavior does not fall within accepted standards, but here we are, we have to deal with it because the manufacturers of the units aren't. Anyway, we are working night and day to get it resolved. Lonnie If it makes you feel any better Lonnie , though I fear it won't, this is, unsurprisingly, the same issues we have to deal with in High-Speed Networking. And, there are some Manufacturers who are ... "less than helpful" when dealing with compliance issues. They're just too big, bureaucratic, and in some cases arrogant, to work on compliance issues in their products. There's more than one time we've had to put in special Firmware code to deal with these Standards Violation Exceptions. So, best of luck in tracking down what's happening and coming up with a work around that doesn't introduce problems with compliant vendors. And hopefully you're at the end of the Bugs hidden by Other Bugs trail! Casey |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 14, 2018 14:19:21 GMT -5
Yes it does.
The upscaling part may be useful IF IT WORKS WELL (but most 4k TVs already do that well). I was never a big Darbee fan.... but, since Darbee never came out with a 4k version (as far as I know), it's an open market. (Although I'm not convinced that 4k ever needs Darbee  .)
If you find yourself in a situation where the use of one 1080p and one 2160p device connected to the new board defaults them both to 1080p, you might want to look at www.marseilleinc.com/cinema-edition/ if you don't like the internal scalar in your display. Some are good; some not so much. I've seen this before and saw them again at E3 yesterday. VERY impressive results for 1080p or lower games when connected to the top-of-the-line LG OLED. Just a thought. Reading this, it sounds like a 4K version of the Darbee |
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Post by aceinc on Jun 14, 2018 14:22:02 GMT -5
I have been watching this from the sidelines but I want to give my 2 cents. I am an electrical engineer for Apple and my team just shipped our first 4K HDMI 2.0a product. Yes, we were criticized for being late to the market compared to everyone else. I can assure you that we spent many many long months working hard to ensure that we were delivering the best product we could. Our initial goal was to create a 4K HDR product that worked with just about every HDMI cable in the field. This took months of tuning, tweaking, and interop testing with every cable, TV, and AVR we could get our hands on. We worked directly with big CE companies when they had obvious bugs that needed to be fixed. We knew that in doing so we would create a better landscape for all HDMI products across the board. Based on what I know of Emotiva, and what I've read in this thread, I believe they are taking a similar approach. HDMI is a mess - there's a ton of garbage cables and products out there and it does take lots of extra work to make your product work with the other crap. It often feels like you're having to create workarounds (not compromises, mind you) to make it all work together. Everyone falsely believes that digital is digital. But when your old cable is being asked to push upwards of 18Gbps things get hairy. I have to trust that when Emotiva says they're fixing issues, that it's going to be in everyone's best interest to be patient and let them deliver the quality product they know it can be, with time. Thank you for jumping into the conversation. You are absolutely correct on all accounts. It is nice to know that the issues we are running into are being seen by others. HDMI is the biggest mess. While the spec may state specifics on some things, there is a lot in there that is just generalized which means that everyone has to find there own way. It would be nice is the spec was tighter and everyone did it the same way, but they don't. Such is life though. Lonnie Regarding Emotiva's position vis-a-vis HDMI cables, Do what Comcast does, provide HDMI cables with the product. While this will not resolve all of the problems, it would resolve that one. Since Emotiva customers tend to be loyal, add two things to the website. 1) A fairly priced line of quality HDMI cables. 2) A list of tested HDMI cables from low, medium and high priced MFRs/sellers. Item 2, would be appreciated, as many people are caught between "Best Buy" mega price cables and Amazon cheap as you can get cables. Knowing what cables are of good quality in different price categories (perhaps a BLOG) would draw people to the site, and keep customers on the site. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 14, 2018 14:38:48 GMT -5
I don't believe Lonnie'se referring to the HDMI cables, but the HDMI specs. As for cables Emotiva does have fair priced HDMI cables, the Z HDMI line and X HDMI lines: X-HDMI, Z-HDMI |
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Post by socketman on Jun 14, 2018 14:38:59 GMT -5
Why does this thread keep getting drug off into the nether's all the time. Start a thread about HDMI and cables instead of plugging this one with a bunch of blither.
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 14, 2018 14:49:01 GMT -5
Why does this thread keep getting drug off into the nether's all the time. Start a thread about HDMI and cables instead of plugging this one with a bunch of blither. True, but if it were to stay strictly on topic, what is there to talk about? It hasn't been released so the only pertinent thing would be to get updates from Emo as far as the progress toward release.  |
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Post by macromicroman on Jun 14, 2018 14:51:24 GMT -5
Why does this thread keep getting drug off into the nether's all the time. Start a thread about HDMI and cables instead of plugging this one with a bunch of blither. That is because there is nothing more to say about the V3 board (the original subject of this thread) until the thing is out and shipping. |
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