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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2018 7:32:35 GMT -5
I received an invoice and I just paid for my 4K HDMI Board Update. Hope it gets here before 1st July otherwise I'm up for another $100 in tax  Cheers Gary Call and tell them your situation, since it's only software they should be willing to ship if you'll wait for the software to finalize. Could we all vote Gary the first Australian ‘Gamma’ tester (that would be after beta right?) |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 13, 2018 7:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by bootman on Jun 13, 2018 7:40:53 GMT -5
Hi everyone, To help clarify, please see Lonnie's recent comments about progress and status. Yes, on the 6th we were quite certain we had a sign-off, however, we found a bug at the last minute that had to do with a certain brand of projector ( I'm paraphrasing Lonnie), so we've been working on the bug, and then after that one cleared, another bug. We hope to have a sign off soon. We are working around the clock with our HDMI partner. We can't give a ship date until we have an all-clear, but it's very very close. Hi Jessica, Thanks for your clarification and update.... While I have your ear, (or eye in this case) perhaps I can ask a couple questions? 1. Is the RMC release dependent on the V3 board? Is it used in the RMC? I've heard two different opinions on this... 2. I'm not a software engineer any way shape or form...don't even pretend to understand it.... but I'm wondering if every time Emotiva performs a fix on a "bug" does that fix possibly create another bug in some other part of the program? Just trying to figure out if this is like trying to heard cats through and open door...one in, two out. Thanks, Skip Here is your answer just a few posts back. This is just my opinion, but if this HDMI board was not the same board that was going into the RMC-1 and XMC-1G3 I do not think that Emotiva would actually produce it. I just don't think they would sell enough of the upgrade kits @$500 a pop to ever turn a profit on the maybe 1000 they would sell. I guess they would have to come up with a HDMI solution if they were going to keep on selling the XMC-1, but if not for the RMC coming out they may have opted for a simpler solution. It does seem that for now Emotiva is fully dedicated to having modular processors which is a good thing for the consumer. As long as you go into the purchase with the understand that Emotiva will be 2-3 years behind the latest technology (I do not mean that as any insult to Emotiva, just a limitation of Emotiva in general) as for as upgrades go you will have a processor that's good for the next 10 years or so. |
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Post by bootman on Jun 13, 2018 7:43:57 GMT -5
I find it amazing, the number of “where is it” posts SEEM to outnumber handily, the “take the time to get it Right” ones. Oh well 😔 anyway, I’m the tortoise and the hair guy, who just watched the DL YouTube showing this board being for RMC and XMC. If that’s the case it’s a huge longevity boost for a processor I’ve already had for over 3 and a half years..... I’ll wait. Bill ..and of those "where is it" folks I bet half are not buying it and are just waiting to see it fail in one form or another.  |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 13, 2018 8:27:12 GMT -5
I find it amazing, the number of “where is it” posts SEEM to outnumber handily, the “take the time to get it Right” ones. Oh well 😔 anyway, I’m the tortoise and the hair guy, who just watched the DL YouTube showing this board being for RMC and XMC. If that’s the case it’s a huge longevity boost for a processor I’ve already had for over 3 and a half years..... I’ll wait. Bill ..and of those "where is it" folks I bet half are not buying it and are just waiting to see it fail in one form or another. weren't we all warned by a MOD to keep the conversation productive? |
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 13, 2018 8:38:07 GMT -5
but I'm wondering if every time Emotiva performs a fix on a "bug" does that fix possibly create another bug in some other part of the program? Ideally no, but it could, so after fixing the bugs, they run regression tests on everything to see if anything that was working has stopped. If these tests aren't automated, it is time consuming and if they find something new they fix it and start all over. It would be great if they find them earlier in the regression rather than later, otherwise that additional time is wasted and just extends the overall timeframe. I would guess when D made the 99.9% prediction, it was towards the end of completing all the regression tests and then unfortunately they found something and had to start the fix/test cycle all over. Sometimes they choose to go with a "targeted regression" and only retest functionality around the specific code where the fix is, but usually this is only done for smaller fixes. |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 13, 2018 9:04:00 GMT -5
Gentleman,
The bug list we published a few weeks back was entirely correct and has been resolved. What we didn't realize though was one of the bugs was actually masking a couple of others that have been very difficult to resolve. One in particular has eaten up 100% of our engineering resources for the past three weeks. We have one projector and one TV that when they are in Standby are throwing out garbage information down the line and causing the video board to lock up. The difficulty here is sifting through the garbage to determine when the TV/Projector is actually On or in standby and should be ignored. For those of you that don't know much about HDMI, let me just say that this behavior does not fall within accepted standards, but here we are, we have to deal with it because the manufacturers of the units aren't. Anyway, we are working night and day to get it resolved.
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Post by bootman on Jun 13, 2018 9:05:55 GMT -5
..and of those "where is it" folks I bet half are not buying it and are just waiting to see it fail in one form or another. weren't we all warned by a MOD to keep the conversation productive? Yes. I'm one of those customers that actually paid for this board vs just complaining about it. And I have voiced my displeasure about the delays. But if you haven't figured it out by know, it isn't so much what you say but how you say it that can get folks in trouble here. |
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Post by jamco on Jun 13, 2018 9:25:35 GMT -5
Many thanks for the effort and update, Lonnie.
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Post by adam631 on Jun 13, 2018 10:57:42 GMT -5
Many thanks for the effort and update, Lonnie. +1 |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2018 12:28:22 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, an actual question about the V3 board. With my XMC-1 I've used both HDMI outputs to connect two different 1080P capable TVs (living room, bedroom). The bedroom TV doesn't get audio, which I assume is because the audio is routed to the XMC-1 for processing (as selected in setup). I've used a Zone 2 speaker system to get sound in the bedroom when I watch something from the main system there (rather rare actually).
With "The Credenza" (new furniture project) I will be rewiring quite a bit, and will be adding a UHD TV (probably the Sony 85-900F!). So the potential now exists to have two different resolutions on the different V3 outputs -- 2160P on HDMI 2 w/ARC, and 1080P on HDMI 1 (in the unlikely event I keep the humongous HDMI cable running to the bedroom). I remember with old HDMI 'splitters' you would get the lowest common denominator of the two displays on both, I doubt that's the case any more, but will the V3 board properly send the correct resolution to both displays?
I'll probably run a couple CAT-6 to replace the HDMI, but that involves crawling through the crawlspace, which no longer appeals to me (though my wife is often willing!) But I don't believe HDBaseT would change the question?
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Post by pknaz on Jun 13, 2018 14:23:09 GMT -5
I think I can safely say I was the first person to be charged for the V3 HDMI and Atmos upgrade. If I can remain patient, so can anyone else  |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 13, 2018 14:25:26 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, an actual question about the V3 board. With my XMC-1 I've used both HDMI outputs to connect two different 1080P capable TVs (living room, bedroom). The bedroom TV doesn't get audio, which I assume is because the audio is routed to the XMC-1 for processing (as selected in setup). I've used a Zone 2 speaker system to get sound in the bedroom when I watch something from the main system there (rather rare actually). With "The Credenza" (new furniture project) I will be rewiring quite a bit, and will be adding a UHD TV (probably the Sony 85-900F!). So the potential now exists to have two different resolutions on the different V3 outputs -- 2160P on HDMI 2 w/ARC, and 1080P on HDMI 1 (in the unlikely event I keep the humongous HDMI cable running to the bedroom). I remember with old HDMI 'splitters' you would get the lowest common denominator of the two displays on both, I doubt that's the case any more, but will the V3 board properly send the correct resolution to both displays? I'll probably run a couple CAT-6 to replace the HDMI, but that involves crawling through the crawlspace, which no longer appeals to me (though my wife is often willing!) But I don't believe HDBaseT would change the question? As far I can tell, the New V3 HDMI board has switching capabilities only and not upscaling capabilities which is what you need if you want to send different resolutions over the two HDMI outs. In your case, the XMC-1 will output the lower resolution to both displays. If you need to send different resolutions then you will need an HDFury Vertex or Lynker to down convert 4K to HD (1080p). I have the same potential issue. I have a 4K projector coming by fall and also a 24" 1080p LED TV that I use only for listening to music and streaming music. Sometimes both displays are ON so it can be a mess. So I decided to upgrade my 1080p LED TV with an LG 27UK650 Monitor which is full 4K and HDR so when I upgrade my projector to a JVC RS540 (or the newer model coming after CEDIA 2018) I will have both displays showing the same resolution. |
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Post by adaboy on Jun 13, 2018 15:08:16 GMT -5
I think I can safely say I was the first person to be charged for the V3 HDMI and Atmos upgrade. If I can remain patient, so can anyone else Master don't you worry big guy! By gosh I know boss man and nem will make sure that your experience is top notch! God bless Emotiva! This board will be 100% anything I can do for you? How can I help you boss? |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jun 13, 2018 15:14:17 GMT -5
I think I can safely say I was the first person to be charged for the V3 HDMI and Atmos upgrade. If I can remain patient, so can anyone else Master don't you worry big guy! By gosh I know boss man and nem will make sure that your experience is top notch! God bless Emotiva! This board will be 100% anything I can do for you? How can I help you boss? Yes sir massa.... right away massa. |
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Post by adaboy on Jun 13, 2018 15:16:12 GMT -5
Master don't you worry big guy! By gosh I know boss man and nem will make sure that your experience is top notch! God bless Emotiva! This board will be 100% anything I can do for you? How can I help you boss? Yes sir massa.... right away massa. Hey, I'm the one trying to get brownie points er less warning points. Move along nothing to see here 🤣🤣 |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jun 13, 2018 15:25:03 GMT -5
Yes sir massa.... right away massa. Hey, I'm the one trying to get brownie points er less warning points. Move along nothing to see here 🤣🤣  |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 13, 2018 16:27:49 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, an actual question about the V3 board. With my XMC-1 I've used both HDMI outputs to connect two different 1080P capable TVs (living room, bedroom). The bedroom TV doesn't get audio, which I assume is because the audio is routed to the XMC-1 for processing (as selected in setup). I've used a Zone 2 speaker system to get sound in the bedroom when I watch something from the main system there (rather rare actually). With "The Credenza" (new furniture project) I will be rewiring quite a bit, and will be adding a UHD TV (probably the Sony 85-900F!). So the potential now exists to have two different resolutions on the different V3 outputs -- 2160P on HDMI 2 w/ARC, and 1080P on HDMI 1 (in the unlikely event I keep the humongous HDMI cable running to the bedroom). I remember with old HDMI 'splitters' you would get the lowest common denominator of the two displays on both, I doubt that's the case any more, but will the V3 board properly send the correct resolution to both displays? I'll probably run a couple CAT-6 to replace the HDMI, but that involves crawling through the crawlspace, which no longer appeals to me (though my wife is often willing!) But I don't believe HDBaseT would change the question? That is a good question. The answer is it still sets itself to the highest common denominator. That is if the highest resolution both can do is 1080, then that is what you get when both are turned on. The reason for this is in order to get different resolutions on each output you have to have a scaling engine for each output so that the input can be set to the maximum the source device can do and the scalers will simply down res to what each TV can handle. In the case of the V3 board, there are no scalers, its simply a very elaborate set of switches. Lonnie |
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Post by socketman on Jun 13, 2018 17:05:25 GMT -5
Hey youse guys stop distracting lonnie he has other pressing matter.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2018 17:43:27 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, an actual question about the V3 board. With my XMC-1 I've used both HDMI outputs to connect two different 1080P capable TVs (living room, bedroom). The bedroom TV doesn't get audio, which I assume is because the audio is routed to the XMC-1 for processing (as selected in setup). I've used a Zone 2 speaker system to get sound in the bedroom when I watch something from the main system there (rather rare actually). With "The Credenza" (new furniture project) I will be rewiring quite a bit, and will be adding a UHD TV (probably the Sony 85-900F!). So the potential now exists to have two different resolutions on the different V3 outputs -- 2160P on HDMI 2 w/ARC, and 1080P on HDMI 1 (in the unlikely event I keep the humongous HDMI cable running to the bedroom). I remember with old HDMI 'splitters' you would get the lowest common denominator of the two displays on both, I doubt that's the case any more, but will the V3 board properly send the correct resolution to both displays? I'll probably run a couple CAT-6 to replace the HDMI, but that involves crawling through the crawlspace, which no longer appeals to me (though my wife is often willing!) But I don't believe HDBaseT would change the question? That is a good question. The answer is it still sets itself to the highest common denominator. That is if the highest resolution both can do is 1080, then that is what you get when both are turned on. The reason for this is in order to get different resolutions on each output you have to have a scaling engine for each output so that the input can be set to the maximum the source device can do and the scalers will simply down res to what each TV can handle. In the case of the V3 board, there are no scalers, its simply a very elaborate set of switches. Lonnie Ah, got it, makes perfect sense. Thank you Lonnie! 🏋️♂️ Now even more reason to dump that cable. |
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