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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 8, 2018 15:41:35 GMT -5
I am an audio enthusiast and technology lover. I have been upgrading my gear for years. I first started with an HTIB system by Sony, called the "Dream System". Then, I moved to AVRs from Onkyo, & followed by Pioneer Elite, and finally, I graduated with an Emotiva XMC-1 SSP. In all of these years, I never paid much attention to room acoustics. I finally dived into the world of room acoustics treatment and realized how much warms, clarity and emotional impact of the music I was missing from my system due to the room acoustics. I got a few panels from ATS & ADW acoustics and used the mirror technique to find the reflection points in our room, and just wow! Amazing what a few panels could do to a system you already have: have anyone been in the same boat as me? Did you treat your room acoustics? If so, how did you addressed it?
I waiting on the ceiling clouds --any tips in my new found field would be appreciated. Happy listening! Work in Progress ![]()  |
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Post by creimes on Feb 8, 2018 16:00:33 GMT -5
Room treatments are one of the best things to improve the sound of your system, I have 3 on the rear wall, one on the left side, 2 on the ceiling and 2 plus some foam behind my towers which reside behind my screen Chad  |
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Post by brutiarti on Feb 8, 2018 16:11:03 GMT -5
I will try to move the panels to the corner. They might work better than behind the speakers, specially the left one. In my case the corner panel did more than directly behind the speaker. Like this Attachment Deleted |
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Post by socketman on Feb 8, 2018 17:36:18 GMT -5
Bass traps in the rear corners, dont leave out diffusion i dont see much stuff like bookshelves and knick knack thingy's <very technical term. Also i would spread the speakers a bit and try them with and without toe in.good start though ,i found this did so much more for the experience than even Dirac.Treat first Dirac second.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 8, 2018 18:40:28 GMT -5
I will try to move the panels to the corner. They might work better than behind the speakers, specially the left one. In my case the corner panel did more than directly behind the speaker. Like this I tried it your way and didn't hear much difference. It might be the room layout. I was thinking of adding a bass trap there, in the future. Below are some of the research material I found that depicts reflection.    |
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Post by vneal on Feb 8, 2018 20:05:51 GMT -5
Everyone's a audio sound expert as am I. If you do nothing else treat the first reflection point which is to the outside of each speaker on the corresponding walls.
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Post by brutiarti on Feb 8, 2018 20:25:22 GMT -5
Maybe something like this for your right speaker  |
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Post by jlafrenz on Feb 8, 2018 20:50:38 GMT -5
I am an audio enthusiast and technology lover. I have been upgrading my gear for years. I first started with an HTIB system by Sony, called the "Dream System". Then, I moved to AVRs from Onkyo, & followed by Pioneer Elite, and finally, I graduated with an Emotiva XMC-1 SSP. In all of these years, I never paid much attention to room acoustics. I finally dived into the world of room acoustics treatment and realized how much warms, clarity and emotional impact of the music I was missing from my system due to the room acoustics. I got a few panels from ATS & ADW acoustics and used the mirror technique to find the reflection points in our room, and just wow! Amazing what a few panels could do to a system you already have: have anyone been in the same boat as me? Did you treat your room acoustics? If so, how did you addressed it? I waiting on the ceiling clouds --any tips in my new found field would be appreciated. Happy listening! Work in Progress ![]() View AttachmentFor corners you are going to need thicker panels. You can span the corner or look at Super Chunk and wedge designs. For the ceiling, treat it just as you would any other reflection point. |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 9, 2018 15:47:13 GMT -5
Thank you all for the tips.
I love seeing pictures of everyone set up with panels.
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Post by pknaz on Feb 9, 2018 16:03:43 GMT -5
I have used reflection and diffusion panels strategically to my advantage, in addition to the absorption panels. Don't underestimate the benefits of properly reflecting and diffusing sound, as well!
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Post by jackfish on Feb 9, 2018 19:48:57 GMT -5
Yes, but first one needs proper absorption, low band bass traps and broadband at reflection points.
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Post by ehmokey on Feb 10, 2018 9:41:12 GMT -5
 I have a smallish section of the basement (about a quarter of it width wise) as my dedicated listening area. Sound treatments made a huge difference since I have all hard surfaces with lots of reflections. I did have a rug in place but it was damaged by one of our pets. Audio Room Measurements In-ground basement 35.25' Long 11.6' wide 6.8' tall Open wooden staircase divides the room at 18' feet from front wall Speaker position: Left speaker is 35" inches away from the front wall and 23" inches away from left wall. Right Speaker is 35" inches away from front wall and 26" inches away from right wall Speakers are 85.5" (7.13' ft) apart from eachother Speakers are slightly toed inward to the listening position between 15-20 degrees Listening position is 91"inches (7.58'ft) from the speakers. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 11, 2018 16:10:07 GMT -5
First absorbers make the most difference. Everything after that seems to be on an inverse cost to benefit ratio. But those first few absorbers - WOW!
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Post by novisnick on Feb 11, 2018 16:47:38 GMT -5
First reflection points followed by either behind your seated position or corner bass traps behind each speaker, depending on weather you’ve overloaded the room with bass or not.
Remember the 3/5 rule for your seat.
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Post by leonski on Feb 11, 2018 20:08:01 GMT -5
People THINK they are listening to 'the system' but really you are hearing mostly 'the room'.
Fixing the room will improve nearly any system. But before adding room treatments, you may consider SETUP as coming even first.
Putting stuff where it fits rather than where it sounds best, is a recipe for needing MORE treatment as a 'make up.
I'll TEND to agree with Boom. The first few treaments to ease the first reflection might make the largest single difference.
Me? I have panels and they simply don't intereact with a room the same way as most boxes. I'd benefit from front wall Diffusion.
With sound? You can basically absorb it. Or Reflect it (hard wall) or Diffuse it....Scatter.
An easy test for Bass Traps? Get a couple LARGE FRIENDS over. Take Turns standing in corners while playing some bass heavy material. You should be able to hear the difference with people standing in corners or NOT.
And decide which you like better. Cost you a couple beers.
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Post by leonski on Feb 11, 2018 22:48:55 GMT -5
I will try to move the panels to the corner. They might work better than behind the speakers, specially the left one. In my case the corner panel did more than directly behind the speaker. Like this I tried it your way and didn't hear much difference. It might be the room layout. I was thinking of adding a bass trap there, in the future. Below are some of the research material I found that depicts reflection. First thing I noted was absorption only. No diffusion, which I consider vital. Also? He talks about 38% 'back' or in 'front' of the walls. This is PHI. 62%, or more closely, 0.618 is related to PHI, which is a cool number I won't go into here. Suffice it to say that this number, when used as a ratio, will minimize standing waves. A room built with this principle might have 8' ceilings, be 13' wide and be 21' long. A reasonable size and good starting point. Since I have basically dipole / linesource speakers, i have very little sound to the 'sides' and they don't interact much with the ceiling or floor. So while carpets are neat, I don't need ceiling treatments. (known as Clouds) Before listening to this guy, I'd recommend starting with SETUP using the CARDAS website guides. |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 13, 2018 13:26:42 GMT -5
I just got these magnets for the ceiling panels I ordered from ADW.  It's going to look neat with these bad boys |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 13, 2018 13:34:53 GMT -5
So far I didn't have much luck with the Deffucers in my room. Base from what I gather online, it appears they're most beneficial in a really large room. I played with the Auralex Geofuser on the side wall and back wall. I didn't like the sound it made next to the speakers. The back wall didn't make that much of a difference to earn their keep, so I went ahead and returned them to Amazon. Here is a picture of them  I tried it your way and didn't hear much difference. It might be the room layout. I was thinking of adding a bass trap there, in the future. Below are some of the research material I found that depicts reflection. First thing I noted was absorption only. No diffusion, which I consider vital. Also? He talks about 38% 'back' or in 'front' of the walls. This is PHI. 62%, or more closely, 0.618 is related to PHI, which is a cool number I won't go into here. Suffice it to say that this number, when used as a ratio, will minimize standing waves. A room built with this principle might have 8' ceilings, be 13' wide and be 21' long. A reasonable size and good starting point. Since I have basically dipole / linesource speakers, i have very little sound to the 'sides' and they don't interact much with the ceiling or floor. So while carpets are neat, I don't need ceiling treatments. (known as Clouds) Before listening to this guy, I'd recommend starting with SETUP using the CARDAS website guides. |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 13, 2018 13:38:35 GMT -5
ADW just shipped my four eggshell ceiling panels. I can't wait to hang them. It was hard for me to get something that would be easy to install and be flat on the ceiling to get a nice look. I will hang them using the magnets I purchased earlier (see post above). They spec-out at a Acoustic insulation rated NRC .85 (absorbs 85% of undesirable sound waves like reverb and echo). I guess I shouldn't put too much adsorption to keep the room from becoming too dead. www.acousticdesignworks.com/product/acoustic-panel-hexagon-24x24x1/ |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 13, 2018 13:48:00 GMT -5
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