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Post by integraman on Jun 18, 2018 21:41:07 GMT -5
I'd go Mach 5 UXL-18's to replace my IXL's in my 4cuft boxes before ever buying non DIY subs again, DIY is of way better value but for those who don't DIY these shouldn't disappoint. Chad yeah, for a strict performance/cost ratio...diy can never be touched. I am willing to live with 4 small freezer size 18" subs in my theater because they will destroy nearly any other mass market subwoofers around. But, yeah, they aren't nearly as pretty to look at as the emo's and the monoprice ones. :-) |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jun 18, 2018 21:48:15 GMT -5
I am assuming that the comparison you did was via specs online. Is this correct? I always say that specs don't tell you how something will sound. I also understand that specs are sometimes the only way we have to compare equipment. It does tell us a lot about the performance capabilities. In this case, there are several offerings from from ID subwoofer companies with similar or better specs for the same or lower price. At this point is is a bit tough to do a head to head comparison until a few of the subs are in people's homes. Ok, let's start with....well.....bullshit. Monoprice has posted actual CEA-2010 SPL Measurements. Until Emo is willing to post those, then I agree, we are comparing apples to oranges, and guessing. Even if Emo is willing to post said measurements and they are NOT => greater than the Monoprice offerings, is it POSSIBLE that a 12" Emo sub will sound better than a 12" monoprice sub in someone's room? Of course! The room, as most of us know, as well as placement, can make a HUGE difference in how something performs. I have had $3K subs defeated by $300 subs if you have constrained places in a room where you can place a sub, but that's why CEA-2010 measurements and the like exist, to level the field. I know you are not telling me that 20Hz from Emo "sounds different" than 20Hz from Monoprice, right? :-) I'm not exactly sure what you call calling BS on. The point I was making is that you can just look at a piece of paper and say one will sound better/worse than another. There are other factors involved. There is also more to a subwoofer than just SPL. If you continue to read my post you will see that I actually state that there is validity in specs when comparing 2 items that can't necessarily be heard. You stated that you did a quick comparison. How did you compare them? Did you read specs or did you listen to both of them? If Emotiva hasn't published the specs as you have stated, how did you compare them? |
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Post by integraman on Jun 18, 2018 21:59:47 GMT -5
Ok, let's start with....well.....bullshit. Monoprice has posted actual CEA-2010 SPL Measurements. Until Emo is willing to post those, then I agree, we are comparing apples to oranges, and guessing. Even if Emo is willing to post said measurements and they are NOT => greater than the Monoprice offerings, is it POSSIBLE that a 12" Emo sub will sound better than a 12" monoprice sub in someone's room? Of course! The room, as most of us know, as well as placement, can make a HUGE difference in how something performs. I have had $3K subs defeated by $300 subs if you have constrained places in a room where you can place a sub, but that's why CEA-2010 measurements and the like exist, to level the field. I know you are not telling me that 20Hz from Emo "sounds different" than 20Hz from Monoprice, right? :-) I'm not exactly sure what you call calling BS on. The point I was making is that you can just look at a piece of paper and say one will sound better/worse than another. There are other factors involved. There is also more to a subwoofer than just SPL. If you continue to read my post you will see that I actually state that there is validity in specs when comparing 2 items that can't necessarily be heard. You stated that you did a quick comparison. How did you compare them? Did you read specs or did you listen to both of them? If Emotiva hasn't published the specs as you have stated, how did you compare them? I compared them on the specs emo posted and monoprice posted. No, I did not listen to them. As I stated, it is quite possible that the emo ones COULD sound better than the monoprice ones if one is constrained on where they have to place them. However, as I stated, until we can do an apples to apples comparison we are ALL just guessing. THX certification is NOT cheap, and if monoprice can afford to have their subs certified and sell at a similar price point to emo that speaks a lot to me as a consumer. True story, I had a Fathom $3K+ subwoofer in my living room that sounds like sh** because I had to place it in the left front corner of the room. No amount of EQ, REW, or audyssey could help it sound better than a 12" Klipsch that was $400 in the same place. HOWEVER, if I were able to live with the Fathom 3 feet from the front wall DIRECTLY in front of the screen, it was AMAZING! However WAF for that scenario <=0... :-) |
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Post by leftycrusher9 on Jun 18, 2018 22:46:32 GMT -5
I have 2 S12s as well but can only run one at the moment as I am waiting on the Gen 3 XMC-1 to run my full set up.. Only have one sub out on my Oppo UHD blu-ray player and I have to say it sounds fantastic. Can’t wait to get the whole thing going. For SAG try plugging both subs in and balance with the plate amp. 😁 View AttachmentWait.......huh? |
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Post by hemster on Jun 18, 2018 23:00:22 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure what you call calling BS on. The point I was making is that you can just look at a piece of paper and say one will sound better/worse than another. There are other factors involved. There is also more to a subwoofer than just SPL. If you continue to read my post you will see that I actually state that there is validity in specs when comparing 2 items that can't necessarily be heard. You stated that you did a quick comparison. How did you compare them? Did you read specs or did you listen to both of them? If Emotiva hasn't published the specs as you have stated, how did you compare them? I compared them on the specs emo posted and monoprice posted. No, I did not listen to them. As I stated, it is quite possible that the emo ones COULD sound better than the monoprice ones if one is constrained on where they have to place them. However, as I stated, until we can do an apples to apples comparison we are ALL just guessing. THX certification is NOT cheap, and if monoprice can afford to have their subs certified and sell at a similar price point to emo that speaks a lot to me as a consumer. True story, I had a Fathom $3K+ subwoofer in my living room that sounds like sh** because I had to place it in the left front corner of the room. No amount of EQ, REW, or audyssey could help it sound better than a 12" Klipsch that was $400 in the same place. HOWEVER, if I were able to live with the Fathom 3 feet from the front wall DIRECTLY in front of the screen, it was AMAZING! However WAF for that scenario <=0... :-) Comparing speakers by looking at specs is like looking at suits in a store window. One may look better than another but which one fits you best? Gotta try each one on. 'nuff said. |
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Post by leftycrusher9 on Jun 18, 2018 23:36:36 GMT -5
 I compared them on the specs emo posted and monoprice posted. No, I did not listen to them. As I stated, it is quite possible that the emo ones COULD sound better than the monoprice ones if one is constrained on where they have to place them. However, as I stated, until we can do an apples to apples comparison we are ALL just guessing. THX certification is NOT cheap, and if monoprice can afford to have their subs certified and sell at a similar price point to emo that speaks a lot to me as a consumer. True story, I had a Fathom $3K+ subwoofer in my living room that sounds like sh** because I had to place it in the left front corner of the room. No amount of EQ, REW, or audyssey could help it sound better than a 12" Klipsch that was $400 in the same place. HOWEVER, if I were able to live with the Fathom 3 feet from the front wall DIRECTLY in front of the screen, it was AMAZING! However WAF for that scenario <=0... :-) Comparing speakers by looking at specs is like looking at suits in a store window. One may look better than another but which one fits you best? Gotta try each one on. 'nuff said. ![]() |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 19, 2018 0:33:59 GMT -5
For SAG try plugging both subs in and balance with the plate amp. 😁 Wait.......huh? SAG = Schiits and Giggles 😁 You split the signal out and drive both subs at the same time! Bring the house down! LOL Ive run many systems this way., split it again and add another sub! Etc. Fire that bad boy up! Enjoy. Im here if you need help. 👍🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶 |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 19, 2018 1:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Jun 19, 2018 3:45:27 GMT -5
If I may be so bold as to add my input on your question jlafrenz , that anytime I have a choice of a single or pair of subs Ill take the pair every time. They just produce much better and even bass in most any room. Of course there’s always an exception to that rule. Now back to your regularly scheduled programing. 😁 |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 19, 2018 5:46:39 GMT -5
I compared them on the specs emo posted and monoprice posted. No, I did not listen to them. As I stated, it is quite possible that the emo ones COULD sound better than the monoprice ones if one is constrained on where they have to place them. However, as I stated, until we can do an apples to apples comparison we are ALL just guessing. THX certification is NOT cheap, and if monoprice can afford to have their subs certified and sell at a similar price point to emo that speaks a lot to me as a consumer. True story, I had a Fathom $3K+ subwoofer in my living room that sounds like sh** because I had to place it in the left front corner of the room. No amount of EQ, REW, or audyssey could help it sound better than a 12" Klipsch that was $400 in the same place. HOWEVER, if I were able to live with the Fathom 3 feet from the front wall DIRECTLY in front of the screen, it was AMAZING! However WAF for that scenario <=0... :-) Comparing speakers by looking at specs is like looking at suits in a store window. One may look better than another but which one fits you best? Gotta try each one on. 'nuff said. Not with subs. If you have the right specs. You can get a very close estimate which will Outperform another. Emotiva has provided none of those specs. They better offer free return shipping then |
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Post by integraman on Jun 19, 2018 7:41:49 GMT -5
I compared them on the specs emo posted and monoprice posted. No, I did not listen to them. As I stated, it is quite possible that the emo ones COULD sound better than the monoprice ones if one is constrained on where they have to place them. However, as I stated, until we can do an apples to apples comparison we are ALL just guessing. THX certification is NOT cheap, and if monoprice can afford to have their subs certified and sell at a similar price point to emo that speaks a lot to me as a consumer. True story, I had a Fathom $3K+ subwoofer in my living room that sounds like sh** because I had to place it in the left front corner of the room. No amount of EQ, REW, or audyssey could help it sound better than a 12" Klipsch that was $400 in the same place. HOWEVER, if I were able to live with the Fathom 3 feet from the front wall DIRECTLY in front of the screen, it was AMAZING! However WAF for that scenario <=0... :-) Comparing speakers by looking at specs is like looking at suits in a store window. One may look better than another but which one fits you best? Gotta try each one on. 'nuff said.  |
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Post by bootman on Jun 19, 2018 9:13:26 GMT -5
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jun 19, 2018 11:19:20 GMT -5
Why such big subs ?? Can’t a pair of basx s8’s give me that rock concert kick that I crave ? Lol.
All kidding aside. Good luck to Emotiva. I’m glad the S15 has finally hit the cart. And I hope it’s a huge seller for them.
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Post by jlafrenz on Jun 19, 2018 11:48:39 GMT -5
I hadn't paid much attention to the Monoprice subs before reading your link. They look pretty impressive especially at that price point. |
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Post by bootman on Jun 19, 2018 12:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by integraman on Jun 20, 2018 6:45:10 GMT -5
you can also do quite well on ebay buying from monoprice when they are doing their coupon deals and ebay bucks. recently you could have gotten a 12" monolith and a 7 channel monolith amp for $2106 and gotten $300 back in ebay bucks. There are deals to be had on the monolith line but they are pretty scarce..
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Post by audiogeek on Jun 20, 2018 11:40:29 GMT -5
Guys, let's get this thread back on track...
I for one think the S12 sounds fantastic. I've been listening to it mainly in just direct mode until I have the house to myself to do my Dirac measurements.
One thing that I've found that is unique to this sub, is ease of setup. Usually I have to spend a good amount of time getting a sub setup and tweaked to my liking. I usually don't like the sound at first, but the S12 was different. I hooked it up, set my crossovers, set the volume by ear and started listening. I made a couple of adjustments and left it alone. It sounded great right from the start with everything I threw at it. I'm really curious to see what happens when I take some actual measurements.
Another thing I look for is how well it blends and how much I notice a separate "sub" sound. With the S12, I sometimes can't tell that I have a sub, except for that lower octave I'm hearing. It's that smooth and blends perfectly with my mains.
You all might want to see professional comparison reviews and measurements, but I for one am sold.
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 20, 2018 11:54:09 GMT -5
Guys, let's get this thread back on track... I for one think the S12 sounds fantastic. I've been listening to it mainly in just direct mode until I have the house to myself to do my Dirac measurements. One thing that I've found that is unique to this sub, is ease of setup. Usually I have to spend a good amount of time getting a sub setup and tweaked to my liking. I usually don't like the sound at first, but the S12 was different. I hooked it up, set my crossovers, set the volume by ear and started listening. I made a couple of adjustments and left it alone. It sounded great right from the start with everything I threw at it. I'm really curious to see what happens when I take some actual measurements. Another thing I look for is how well it blends and how much I notice a separate "sub" sound. With the S12, I sometimes can't tell that I have a sub, except for that lower octave I'm hearing. It's that smooth and blends perfectly with my mains. You all might want to see professional comparison reviews and measurements, but I for one am sold. So what made you think this thread was off track? |
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Post by craigl59 on Jun 20, 2018 13:10:17 GMT -5
+1 audiogeek
Am looking forward to getting 2 of the 12 inch subs to complement my T1s in the winter place. Your comments on ease of setup are important to me. Hoping that 2 will preserve the accurate soundstage for orchestral music that I prefer with full range loudspeakers.
My experience is that one honest review from an owner is worth any number of "professional" reviews.
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Post by audiogeek on Jun 20, 2018 14:08:30 GMT -5
Guys, let's get this thread back on track... So what made you think this thread was off track? Only that this thread is about the availability of the new Airmotiv subs and we were spending more time talking about Monoprice.  |
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