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Post by cawgijoe on May 11, 2019 22:02:05 GMT -5
Updated to 5.7. Watched Infinity Wars tonight in 4K in preparation for Endgame tomorrow in the theater. No issues. Did have an issue of lost audio requiring a hard reboot while fast forwarding through a recorded program using Directv.Ok after that.
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Post by bolle on May 12, 2019 4:12:53 GMT -5
Is the shifting OLED bug fixed in 5.7? When you have dimming set to 0% and press info, the display lights up for a short time but shifts its position once during that period. This was still present in 5.4 and distracting as hell.
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Post by bitzerjdb on May 12, 2019 18:34:02 GMT -5
Ok, you beat me. I rewired my HT so the Tivo Bolt is direct connected to the Sony X9D. Spent time reprogramming the remote and the watch macros...
Works great now. 100% sync switching inputs.
For whatever reason, the chain of Tivo Bolt - XMC-1 - Sony X9D was not happy. If the TV was turned off and back on, the HDMI sync was broken and would not resync. Switched ports on the XMC-1 and the TV...no success. The only thing that would fix it would be to unplug the HDMI cable from the TV and plug it back in.
The Tivo is now set to Auto (Video) and it is happy...
I'm tired of fighting this issue and having the family complain because the TV screen is blank. What is interesting is that for a test, I tried one of my Active cables and it works great...This failed consistently when the XMC-1 was in the loop.
My new theory is that the XMC-1 4K board is evil :-)
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Post by phaselinear on May 14, 2019 12:51:25 GMT -5
I am tired of these issues. On the latest firmware XMC 1 still needs an input toggle about 30 percent of the time to pass audio. Can we all just get a decent trade in value on an XMC 2 when released?
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Post by thrillcat on May 14, 2019 12:54:12 GMT -5
I am tired of these issues. On the latest firmware XMC 1 still needs an input toggle about 30 percent of the time to pass audio. Can we all just get a decent trade in value on an XMC 2 when released? You didn't hear? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 14, 2019 12:55:34 GMT -5
I am tired of these issues. On the latest firmware XMC 1 still needs an input toggle about 30 percent of the time to pass audio. Can we all just get a decent trade in value on an XMC 2 when released? I think the trade-in deal they’ve offered is awesome, but that doesn’t guarantee there won’t be problems with the XMC-2. |
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Post by donh50 on May 14, 2019 13:44:20 GMT -5
The little "pops" in all speakers switching surround modes seems worse but maybe I was just more sensitized to it since I was listening more closely last night. These are what happens as it switches from say 5.1 to 2.0 and back during commercials. It may be Comcast is just more flaky than usual lately. It happens with movies but is not a big deal since it is just from the initial menu to the actual film and back that it occurs, not every few minutes like commercial broadcasts.
Not quite ready to tell Comcast and all their channel providers they need to make all their commercials 5.1 to keep my XMC-1 from popping.
I would guess the solution is either faster switching (probably not possible) or longer muting during mode changes (which may cut off a hair of the commercial or movie sound, probably unnoticeable).
My XMC-1 had a few little and one big bug initially then was pretty much rock-solid for a couple of years until the v3 upgrade. I am hoping the XMC-2, designed for the new video board to begin with, will be better -- once the RMC-1 bugs are worked out! Hopefully leveraging works and the XMC-2 is in good shape (and the deal is still good) by Christmas when I might consider a switch. I figure that depends upon them nailing down the RMC-1 this summer and the XMC-2 being able to leverage enough that there aren't any big long-lasting bugs.
Off to the Big Rock Candy Mountain for lunch - Don
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 14, 2019 14:48:17 GMT -5
The little "pops" in all speakers switching surround modes seems worse but maybe I was just more sensitized to it since I was listening more closely last night. These are what happens as it switches from say 5.1 to 2.0 and back during commercials. It may be Comcast is just more flaky than usual lately. It happens with movies but is not a big deal since it is just from the initial menu to the actual film and back that it occurs, not every few minutes like commercial broadcasts. Not quite ready to tell Comcast and all their channel providers they need to make all their commercials 5.1 to keep my XMC-1 from popping. I would guess the solution is either faster switching (probably not possible) or longer muting during mode changes (which may cut off a hair of the commercial or movie sound, probably unnoticeable). My XMC-1 had a few little and one big bug initially then was pretty much rock-solid for a couple of years until the v3 upgrade. I am hoping the XMC-2, designed for the new video board to begin with, will be better -- once the RMC-1 bugs are worked out! Hopefully leveraging works and the XMC-2 is in good shape (and the deal is still good) by Christmas when I might consider a switch. I figure that depends upon them nailing down the RMC-1 this summer and the XMC-2 being able to leverage enough that there aren't any big long-lasting bugs. Off to the Big Rock Candy Mountain for lunch - Don I recently ran across an old eMail (summer of 2016) to Emotiva where I was complaining about pops with the XMC-1. Here’s one line from my symptoms — “HDMI 1: Dish Hopper 3 : Pops when program changes from Dolby 5.1 to 2.0 and elsewhere”. So that problem was around previously (with the old board), and as you speculated their response was in regards to mute timing. They’ve probably played with it again to avoid cutoffs. |
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Post by viper6 on May 14, 2019 15:55:31 GMT -5
So, I've had the V3 board since last fall/early winter, but since I had NO 4K display device, and my XMC-1 was completely stable, I chose to wait until the acquisition of a 4K display was imminent.
A couple of weeks ago I got word that the new JVC X790R that I had on order was finally about to ship, so it was time to bite the bullet (Coincidentally this was just after the release of Firmware 5.6). So I installed the board. After I had the firmware up to version 5.6, it was working almost as well as it had with the original board (with a couple of exceptions, which I wlll cover). I say almost as well, because it always "double clutches" when synching to a new source; no picture-picture-no picture-picture then sound.
The exceptions to "almost as well" were that I could NOT get a signal from the Oppo 203 using just one HDMI connection, and I could NOT get my Epson 6020 to recognize a signal from the XMC-1. At all. At this point I was still using original HDMI cables, Blue Jeans Tartan brand, 25 feet to Vizio flat panel 1080P in the corner, and 30 feet to the Epson on the ceiling. Called Emotiva, talked to Keith. His opinion was that he doubted the board was bad since it would pass video, that there were probably compatibility issues that would most likely be addressed with the new displays.
Was able to get video to the Epson by running one XMC-1 HDMI out to the HDMI input on the Oppo, and the Oppo main video out to the Epson. This configuration rendered the Oppo issues moot.
Fast forward to the replacing the Epson with the JVC, and the Vizio flat panel with a new TCL 4K flat panel. Good news, I had video and audio from all sources (Oppo 203, fat PS3, Chromecast, Roku streaming stick, DirecTV [not 4K], and new Panasonic UB802 player I bought [because of it's reputed ability to manage HDR tone mapping]) to both displays, without the Oppo workaround. Bad news, the Panasonic refused to recognize either display as HDR capable. Neither would the Oppo, but the Oppo allows you to force HDR, so it wasn't as big a deal.
Fast forward to replacing the HDMI out cable from the Panasonic (6 foot), and the HDMI cables to both displays (25 foot each) with Cablematters Premium cables. Both the Oppo and the Panasonic now recognize the JVC as HDR capable. The Oppo does not recognize the TCL as HDR. Haven't tested that with the Panasonic. That may change when I replace the HDMI cable between the Oppo and the XMC-1 with a Cablematters 6 foot premium cable.
The only other issues I have are the occasional need to select another source, then go back, to get signal lock from the Oppo, and a slight change to something my XMC-1 had been doing with the Epson before the new board. It would always briefly lose signal lock twice after initial signal lock; once right away, and one more time about three minutes later. Now (with the new board and the JVC) the second time happens about 10 minutes later.
I find the issues that were there with the old displays, but gone with the new displays, quite interesting. Particularly how the Oppo would not pass a signal through the XMC-1 while the old displays were in the system, but does with the new displays. It was also interesting to see the difference new cables made.
I call this a success.
Update 5-19-19. Replaced the 3 foot Blue Jeans Cables Belden "F" series HDMI cable with a 6 foot Cablematters Premium HDMI cable as the HDMI out cable on the Oppo 203. The Oppo now recognizes the TCL flat panel as an HDR capable display. The Panasonic, which is also connected with a Cablematters cable, already did.
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Post by cwt on May 15, 2019 5:40:32 GMT -5
I find the issues that were there with the old displays, but gone with the new displays, quite interesting. Particularly how the Oppo would not pass a signal through the XMC-1 while the old displays were in the system, but does with the new displays. It was also interesting to see the difference new cables made. I call this a success. Sure is  Just to say theres nothing untoward about how the oppo refused a picture ; your old Epson 6020 has HDMI 1.4a inputs so cant accept any UHD 4k with HDR . hdcp2.2 and hdmi2.0 at a minimum is required for UHD bluray . hdmi2.0a can handle this plus HDR . your v3 board is hdmi2.0b.. As to lesser hd bandwidths that's why Emo has put in 2 different compatibility options for hdmi 1.4 and 2.0 in the RMC1 - they don't like one another though they should.. Keith was correct when he intimated you needed full 18gbps 4k capable hdmi ports ;even more so if you happen to have a htpc running 4k/60p in the future  One other thought; Emo will need to make this XMC1 board quite stable as they will be reselling them when trade ins on the XMC2 occur ; a nice consequence of the generous trade in offer for sure.. |
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Post by viper6 on May 15, 2019 10:07:06 GMT -5
To clarify, when the Oppo would not pass a signal, I wasn't sending 4k. I was just sending HD. Also, the Panasonic DID push an HD signal through under the same circumstances. I had also gone through and specified which inputs were 1.4, and which were 2.0. Basically I had done everything Keith suggested I try, short of replacing the Vizio and Epson.
I think it highlights just how much the HDMI world is the Wild West when it comes to compliance with standards.
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Post by stratos on May 16, 2019 19:08:59 GMT -5
Hello, I am new to this thread and I have only recently upgraded my HDMI board to V3 as I only recently bought a 4k TV. This was right as 5.6 was taken down and 5.7 was released, so all my experience with the new board is on 5.7.
I have to say the WAF has dropped significantly with this upgrade. Two things happen pretty consistently. First, there will be no video displayed to the TV even though my HDMI source is on and working. I have to switch to another input with another HDMI device plugged in and then back to the primary device to get the screen to come up. This is ironically after the HDMI device powered on the XMC with CEC.
The second issue is - if the video works - the audio will be normal and then go quiet and then raise back up again and this repeats. The only way I've found to fix this is completely power off the XMC again and power it back on, even though it was just powered on. I'm running in Low Power mode and always have been. I'm powering the XMC off and on far more than I used to now because of this issue and it's disappointing.
Any recommendations on these issues? I've killed power to everything quite a few times. I've replaced the HDMI cables with high quality cables. When I performed the firmware upgrades I backed up and restored the configuration after flashing. At this point I'm not sure what else I Can do besides full factory reset in hopes that could make a difference.
Thanks
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Post by andyman on May 16, 2019 21:20:01 GMT -5
My Xmc had to go back to Emotiva for repair. When it came back all my settings were gone. So I guess they did a full factory reset then reinstalled 5.4.
I’m still on 5.4 and my Xmc has worked flawlessly.
Maybe the full factory reset did it ?? Give them a call.
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Post by Gary Cook on May 17, 2019 15:56:48 GMT -5
Hello, I am new to this thread and I have only recently upgraded my HDMI board to V3 as I only recently bought a 4k TV. This was right as 5.6 was taken down and 5.7 was released, so all my experience with the new board is on 5.7. I have to say the WAF has dropped significantly with this upgrade. Two things happen pretty consistently. First, there will be no video displayed to the TV even though my HDMI source is on and working. I have to switch to another input with another HDMI device plugged in and then back to the primary device to get the screen to come up. This is ironically after the HDMI device powered on the XMC with CEC. The second issue is - if the video works - the audio will be normal and then go quiet and then raise back up again and this repeats. The only way I've found to fix this is completely power off the XMC again and power it back on, even though it was just powered on. I'm running in Low Power mode and always have been. I'm powering the XMC off and on far more than I used to now because of this issue and it's disappointing. Any recommendations on these issues? I've killed power to everything quite a few times. I've replaced the HDMI cables with high quality cables. When I performed the firmware upgrades I backed up and restored the configuration after flashing. At this point I'm not sure what else I Can do besides full factory reset in hopes that could make a difference. Thanks #1 turn off CEC and ARC. Cheers Gary |
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Post by stratos on May 17, 2019 16:52:44 GMT -5
Is there a way in the XMC to disable ARC? I have a third issue I didn't bring up yet because I hadn't ruled out it was a configuration issue. I could not find a way to outright disable ARC so I've moved to other HDMI ports to try to get ARC out of the picture.
This is what I did last night. I unplugged the TV from power, I switched off the XMC with the master switch on the back, and I unplugged my nVidia Shield TV from power, which is my primary HDMI device. I left things off all night like this. Then, this morning I turned the TV on first. Then I turned on the XMC master power and powered it on. THEN I finally plugged the nVidia Shield back into power.
It should have easily displayed, right? No CEC involved. XMC was on the correct HDMI port. TV was on for the XMC port. And nothing. I *still* had to switch to another HDMI port and back to HDMI 1 to get the Shield to display. I suppose I'll redo this test with CEC explicitly turned off in the XMC... even though... I really want CEC.
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Post by sgracing on May 17, 2019 17:29:55 GMT -5
Hello, I am new to this thread and I have only recently upgraded my HDMI board to V3 as I only recently bought a 4k TV. This was right as 5.6 was taken down and 5.7 was released, so all my experience with the new board is on 5.7. I have to say the WAF has dropped significantly with this upgrade. Two things happen pretty consistently. First, there will be no video displayed to the TV even though my HDMI source is on and working. I have to switch to another input with another HDMI device plugged in and then back to the primary device to get the screen to come up. This is ironically after the HDMI device powered on the XMC with CEC. The second issue is - if the video works - the audio will be normal and then go quiet and then raise back up again and this repeats. The only way I've found to fix this is completely power off the XMC again and power it back on, even though it was just powered on. I'm running in Low Power mode and always have been. I'm powering the XMC off and on far more than I used to now because of this issue and it's disappointing. Any recommendations on these issues? I've killed power to everything quite a few times. I've replaced the HDMI cables with high quality cables. When I performed the firmware upgrades I backed up and restored the configuration after flashing. At this point I'm not sure what else I Can do besides full factory reset in hopes that could make a difference. Thanks #1 turn off CEC and ARC. Cheers Gary Still trying to sell the " Don't use CEC and ARC " lol I found a new salutation ! I went out and bought a Anthem AVM 60 with the new version of room correction ! There problem solved! It sounds great ! And the best part is there unit worked on the ARC channel the first time , didn't have to do any reboot of any device ! So my XMC is bricked and for sale ! It turned on last week and froze up all by itself in the middle of the night, lol and won't even boot again ! Thought something was up when none of my other devices would even recognize it ! It happened with the new 5.7 update. So all you emo fans good luck ! |
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Post by stratos on May 17, 2019 17:43:10 GMT -5
With HDMI 2.1 around now spending any money on a non-2.1 device is definitely out of the question. I did, though, just replace my multiple old amps with an Anthem 7 channel amp and I'm pretty happy with it. But between that, a new OLED TV, and the HDMI upgrade board, my HT budget is shot for the year. I just want the XMC to work how it did with the 1.4 board, where I didn't get called from the other room, "Sweetheart, the TV isn't working again." =D
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Post by doc1963 on May 17, 2019 17:44:08 GMT -5
Is there a way in the XMC to disable ARC? I have a third issue I didn't bring up yet because I hadn't ruled out it was a configuration issue. I could not find a way to outright disable ARC so I've moved to other HDMI ports to try to get ARC out of the picture. This is what I did last night. I unplugged the TV from power, I switched off the XMC with the master switch on the back, and I unplugged my nVidia Shield TV from power, which is my primary HDMI device. I left things off all night like this. Then, this morning I turned the TV on first. Then I turned on the XMC master power and powered it on. THEN I finally plugged the nVidia Shield back into power. It should have easily displayed, right? No CEC involved. XMC was on the correct HDMI port. TV was on for the XMC port. And nothing. I *still* had to switch to another HDMI port and back to HDMI 1 to get the Shield to display. I suppose I'll redo this test with CEC explicitly turned off in the XMC... even though... I really want CEC. To answer your first question, disabling CEC in the XMC-1's setup menu (which is already OFF by default) disables HDMI ARC (because that's how traditional ARC works). However, your issues are quite a common theme throughout this thread and have nothing to do with CEC or ARC. Switching inputs back and forth to get the XMC-1 to "lock on" to audio and/or video is an ongoing issue even with the current firmware. You only have to read back through the last 5 pages of this thread to see that you're not alone. If you've just upgraded your firmware and have done the "unplug everything" routine, then I know (for a fact) that your XMC-1 "might" give you a fit until it finally locks on and settles down. It does this every time for me which is why I prefer to "not" unplug unless I absolutely have to. As of now, mine is working fine even though I have CEC "enabled" in order to use HDMI ARC. Good luck... |
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Post by sgracing on May 17, 2019 18:02:20 GMT -5
Is there a way in the XMC to disable ARC? I have a third issue I didn't bring up yet because I hadn't ruled out it was a configuration issue. I could not find a way to outright disable ARC so I've moved to other HDMI ports to try to get ARC out of the picture. This is what I did last night. I unplugged the TV from power, I switched off the XMC with the master switch on the back, and I unplugged my nVidia Shield TV from power, which is my primary HDMI device. I left things off all night like this. Then, this morning I turned the TV on first. Then I turned on the XMC master power and powered it on. THEN I finally plugged the nVidia Shield back into power. It should have easily displayed, right? No CEC involved. XMC was on the correct HDMI port. TV was on for the XMC port. And nothing. I *still* had to switch to another HDMI port and back to HDMI 1 to get the Shield to display. I suppose I'll redo this test with CEC explicitly turned off in the XMC... even though... I really want CEC. To answer your first question, disabling CEC in the XMC-1's setup menu (which is already OFF by default) disables HDMI ARC (because that's how traditional ARC works). However, your issues are quite a common theme throughout this thread and have nothing to do with CEC or ARC. Switching inputs back and forth to get the XMC-1 to "lock on" to audio and/or video is an ongoing issue even with the current firmware. You only have to read back through the last 5 pages of this thread to see that you're not alone. If you've just upgraded your firmware and have done the "unplug everything" routine, then I know (for a fact) that your XMC-1 "might" give you a fit until it finally locks on and settles down. It does this every time for me which is why I prefer to "not" unplug unless I absolutely have to. As of now, mine is working fine even though I have CEC "enabled" in order to use HDMI ARC. Good luck... Doc I've done every thing that has been suggested on this site with no avail . Full factory settings restore , unpluged for days the system worked with the optic suggestion by Gary only. With dolby plus set on my tv there was no sound as this is not supported with the XMC-1. Last week i had a Tech look at the devices in my home and tech told me there is no label on the ARC output of the XMC-1 he thought it was turned off but it would see through the XMC-1 and see proper settings of my Oppo. He new what input it was on . There is definitely something wrong with the new board! How much is it worth , it under warranty still It doesn't boot up anymore. I just don't want to waist any more of my time with it. |
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Post by bitzerjdb on May 17, 2019 19:08:48 GMT -5
I feel for you, I have had similar issues with my unit. My Tivo issues are finally fixed by avoiding the XMC-1. When I do a 30sec skip, the audio picks up without missing a beat. The HDMI sync to the TV works every time. No double flashing, missing Video, etc. I have an optical link to the XMC-1 for audio..works great.
I LOVE the sound of the XMC-1 and really want it to work. Now that I have a working, stable configuration, I will probably go the upgrade route and spin the wheel again.
The beauty of a programmable remote is that I can modify the macros to handle any config change..
Bottom line, the family is happy, I'm happy. It is staying in this hybrid state until the upgrade.
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Just to say theres nothing untoward about how the oppo refused a picture ; your old Epson 6020 has HDMI 1.4a inputs so cant accept any UHD 4k with HDR . hdcp2.2 and hdmi2.0 at a minimum is required for UHD bluray . hdmi2.0a can handle this plus HDR . your v3 board is hdmi2.0b..
