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Post by novisnick on Jul 13, 2018 18:46:16 GMT -5
Some of what you say is true, BUT, the Brooklyn has beaten the Manhattan over and over again in sound quality and what folks spent money on. You can always spend more money but it doesn’t mean you’ll get the best. (To each their own ears) Besides, I don’t want to “see a noticeable difference” your words, I want to hear them. LOL Just yanking your chain there! 😋 I'm sorry, it didn't see you post anything about a budget. My bad. Total forgot what I recommended. what do I know. This comparison had nothing to do with budget, only sound my friend. Of course this is not my personal experience but its what Ive gathered from other reviewers. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 13, 2018 18:48:28 GMT -5
Some of what you say is true, BUT, the Brooklyn has beaten the Manhattan over and over again in sound quality and what folks spent money on. You can always spend more money but it doesn’t mean you’ll get the best. (To each their own ears) Besides, I don’t want to “see a noticeable difference” your words, I want to hear them. LOL Just yanking your chain there! 😋 Could your tell me where you have seen the brooklyn has beaten the Manhattan II over and over. I would love to read. No joking here, I would really like to read those articles. Oops, didnt see that you double posted me. When I have time ill post it. What I saw was the Manhattan and not the Manhattan II unless they are one and the same unit. 😁 |
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Post by yves on Jul 14, 2018 7:08:21 GMT -5
That being said, it's pretty much proven these days that the best streaming sound is with ethernet because any conversions via usb to/ or spdif is eliminated. Ethernet will dump bit perfect right into the dac chip, Sorry, but all of that is just an old fairy tale. |
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Post by badronald on Jul 14, 2018 10:35:58 GMT -5
That being said, it's pretty much proven these days that the best streaming sound is with ethernet because any conversions via usb to/ or spdif is eliminated. Ethernet will dump bit perfect right into the dac chip, Sorry, but all of that is just an old fairy tale. You are right. Putting a USB to Spdif converter in the chain always adds to sound quality. LOL |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2018 10:40:21 GMT -5
Sorry, but all of that is just an old fairy tale. You are right. Putting a USB to Spdif converter in the chain always adds to sound quality. LOL It did in my case compared to using USB to the DAC directly. YMMV. |
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Post by badronald on Jul 14, 2018 10:40:40 GMT -5
Could your tell me where you have seen the brooklyn has beaten the Manhattan II over and over. I would love to read. No joking here, I would really like to read those articles. Oops, didnt see that you double posted me. When I have time ill post it. What I saw was the Manhattan and not the Manhattan II unless they are one and the same unit. 😁 The Manhattan and Manhattan II are totally different. New motherboard. Only chassis and PS remain unchanged. Doesn't your Brooklyn stream directly with ethernet? |
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Post by badronald on Jul 14, 2018 10:43:18 GMT -5
You are right. Putting a USB to Spdif converter in the chain always adds to sound quality. LOL It did in my case compared to using USB to the DAC directly. YMMV. But your statement was comparing to my statement of direct ethernet. You are not comparing apples to apples. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2018 10:58:31 GMT -5
Oops, didnt see that you double posted me. When I have time ill post it. What I saw was the Manhattan and not the Manhattan II unless they are one and the same unit. 😁 The Manhattan and Manhattan II are totally different. New motherboard. Only chassis and PS remain unchanged. Doesn't your Brooklyn stream directly with ethernet? No, I think not. Brand new to me but no ethernet port on it. I only saw comparisons of the Manhattan and NOT the Manhattan II. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2018 11:29:27 GMT -5
It did in my case compared to using USB to the DAC directly. YMMV. But your statement was comparing to my statement of direct ethernet. You are not comparing apples to apples. Direct ethernet to the DAC? No, I have no DACs that are network devices. My DACs are DACs.  And my statement was in direct response to yours about adding a USB to S/PDIF device being a bad idea. It's not. |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jul 14, 2018 15:28:25 GMT -5
Whatever you do don’t buy into the computer audio BS, fibreoptic ethernet cables, master clocks, etc.
I’m Mac mini, 55-foot BJ ethernet cable, SOtM SMS-200 with linear supply, into XMC-1 USB input. Sounds great with roon.
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jul 14, 2018 15:31:34 GMT -5
The Schiit eTR is the MOST you need assuming the Mac and the Brooklyn are close to each. Not my situation.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2018 16:07:09 GMT -5
Whatever you do don’t buy into the computer audio BS, fibreoptic ethernet cables, master clocks, etc. I’m Mac mini, 55-foot BJ ethernet cable, SOtM SMS-200 with linear supply, into XMC-1 USB input. Sounds great with roon. Russ Thanks Russ, I was wondering if anybody else was using a soTm product. Ive been investigating these as well. Question, would you install Roon before or after installing the new gear? Would it be an easier setup to let Roon find everything all at once ? Thanks, Nick |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2018 16:36:24 GMT -5
Whatever you do don’t buy into the computer audio BS, fibreoptic ethernet cables, master clocks, etc. I’m Mac mini, 55-foot BJ ethernet cable, SOtM SMS-200 with linear supply, into XMC-1 USB input. Sounds great with roon. Russ Thanks Russ, I was wondering if anybody else was using a soTm product. Ive been investigating these as well. Question, would you install Roon before or after installing the new gear? Would it be an easier setup to let Roon find everything all at once ? Thanks, Nick I know you weren't asking me, but really it doesn't matter. Do things in the order that make economic and practical sense to you. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2018 16:56:06 GMT -5
Thanks Russ, I was wondering if anybody else was using a soTm product. Ive been investigating these as well. Question, would you install Roon before or after installing the new gear? Would it be an easier setup to let Roon find everything all at once ? Thanks, Nick I know you weren't asking me, but really it doesn't matter. Do things in the order that make economic and practical sense to you. I always invite all my friends here on the forum to chime in anytime they have something they think they should share. Thanks, I may have a 60 day free trial for Roon, Im not sure two weeks would give me enough hands on time to make up my mind. The adventure continues!🎶🎶🎶 appropriate theme music play now! 🎼🎼🎼🎼🎼🎼🎼 |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2018 17:20:31 GMT -5
 FWIW I had my network audio system dependent on Logitech Squeeze server and Squeeze players when I decided to try Roon. I disabled the LMS Server and enabled the Roon server, told it to connect to Squeeze devices, and away I went (after Roon server had identified and scanned my library, which I allowed to happen overnight since it took a while.) I was so impressed that I paid for the lifetime license, and over the past year have upgraded the players from Squeeze devices to Roon Reedy devices, and have not looked back. |
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Post by badronald on Jul 14, 2018 17:32:40 GMT -5
But your statement was comparing to my statement of direct ethernet. You are not comparing apples to apples. Direct ethernet to the DAC? No, I have no DACs that are network devices. My DACs are DACs. And my statement was in direct response to yours about adding a USB to S/PDIF device being a bad idea. It's not. Mine Also. The network is an addin network card. Alot of high end Dacs these days either have built in network capabilities, or have it as an optional addin. Bricasti, Ayres to name a few. Best way to go IMO. Also, i never said USB to SPDIF is a bad idea, so people have no other choice. I said it's a better idea if you can do it. Thats all. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2018 17:34:39 GMT -5
FWIW I had my network audio system dependent on Logitech Squeeze server and Squeeze players when I decided to try Roon. I disabled the LMS Server and enabled the Roon server, told it to connect to Squeeze devices, and away I went (after Roon server had identified and scanned my library, which I allowed to happen overnight since it took a while.) I was so impressed that I paid for the lifetime license, and over the past year have upgraded the players from Squeeze devices to Roon Reedy devices, and have not looked back. Two more months of savings! LOL |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2018 18:26:54 GMT -5
Direct ethernet to the DAC? No, I have no DACs that are network devices. My DACs are DACs. And my statement was in direct response to yours about adding a USB to S/PDIF device being a bad idea. It's not. Mine Also. The network is an addin network card. Alot of high end Dacs these days either have built in network capabilities, or have it as an optional addin. Bricasti, Ayres to name a few. Best way to go IMO. Also, i never said USB to SPDIF is a bad idea, so people have no other choice. I said it's a better idea if you can do it. Thats all. Sorry, what I wrote was pretty pissy, I apologize. I was in a bad mood this morning because I was informed that on Monday I get to help decide who gets the axe from a 30% layoff we have to do due to the trade wars. That blows big DACs. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 15, 2018 9:29:47 GMT -5
FWIW I had my network audio system dependent on Logitech Squeeze server and Squeeze players when I decided to try Roon. I disabled the LMS Server and enabled the Roon server, told it to connect to Squeeze devices, and away I went (after Roon server had identified and scanned my library, which I allowed to happen overnight since it took a while.) I was so impressed that I paid for the lifetime license, and over the past year have upgraded the players from Squeeze devices to Roon Reedy devices, and have not looked back. Two more months of savings! LOL Hello Nick...late in this conversation but I thought this would be worth mentioning. I am using a Mac Mini via Ethernet...from there to my Audionote dac via USB. NO NOISE....nothing else needed. Simply put if there is noise I can't hear anything. This reminds me of conversations about DISTORTION using tube amps. It may be in the specs and graphs but not to my ears...I hear pristine, sublime musical notes and voices. Music Nirvana. Keep things simple. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 15, 2018 12:59:02 GMT -5
Hey guys, I think that maybe some of you are confusing audible noise with the type of noise that masks? Covers? Hides? Muttles? Etc the sound of your music/sound system. A noise that beats down the perfect midbass or pitch perfect high note.
We are not speaking of an audible hiss or buzz or what have you. Those are nasty but are much easier to identify. When you add something like a Schiit EITR and a tone becomes more refined, was that worth the price? If its audible and you like it better, yes. Did it clear up a hum or buzz? No but it ridded some type of “noise”.
If your satisfied with your system, GREAT! Your done! 👏👏👏 If, like some folfs, theres that last little bit thats driving you crazy, the journey continues.
At this time my system is in a state of flux and Im learning and refining my ears. Im having fun! 👍
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And my statement was in direct response to yours about adding a USB to S/PDIF device being a bad idea. It's not.
FWIW I had my network audio system dependent on Logitech Squeeze server and Squeeze players when I decided to try Roon. I disabled the LMS Server and enabled the Roon server, told it to connect to Squeeze devices, and away I went (after Roon server had identified and scanned my library, which I allowed to happen overnight since it took a while.) I was so impressed that I paid for the lifetime license, and over the past year have upgraded the players from Squeeze devices to Roon Reedy devices, and have not looked back.
