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Post by pedrocols on Aug 2, 2018 8:13:46 GMT -5
I just read this post again, it make much more sense now! Thanks audiobillTo me it makes zero sense because as a matter of true fact audio is a marriage between art and science. Getting them divorced is what's called unwanted distortion. You forgot to add your ears to this quotation. Audio enters your brain through your ears if I remember correctly. |
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Post by badronald on Oct 28, 2018 19:19:45 GMT -5
I can see from your equipment lineup that you are obviously are in a much better position then me to give the OP a recommendation on this subject. Fairy Tale....lol, I thing not. Here is a recommendation to you: Try not being such a wise ass in your posts. You don't have to be a wise ass to be able to figure out the simple fact if your sound wasn't broken you wouldn't be needing those paraphernalia in order to fix it.  P.S., re your remark of "I can see from your equipment lineup", the DAC that I have uses not one, but two ES9018 chips in mono mode (one for each channel). The Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ use only one ES9028PRO, which is still limited to 133db in stereo mode, whereas the ES9018 in mono mode has 135dB DNR so I can see from your ignorance the kind of position you're in.  hahah, if you going to make stupid statement like you did, at least get your facts straight. No, the mytech does not have a ESS9028Pro dac, but you should know that really doesn't matter, does it. The most important factor determining how good or bad a dac sounds is how the chip in implemented. |
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Post by geeqner on Oct 29, 2018 10:12:23 GMT -5
Aurender A10 has pretty impressive stuff under the hood - but it's AWFULLY pricey
Saw / heard one and a high-end shop down the street from my neighborhood.
The System it was connected to did sound awfully nice, but just the Speakers on that system cost WAY more than my entire system.
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Post by qdtjni on Oct 30, 2018 17:52:58 GMT -5
No, the mytech does not have a ESS9028Pro dac I guess Mytek themselves got it wrong to then..... "Brooklyn DAC+ features the following improvements as compared to Brooklyn DAC: - Sabre 9028 Pro chipset ( 9018 in older model)" Source: mytekdigital.com/hifi/products/brooklyn/ |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 16, 2018 1:02:10 GMT -5
Where this mess all started!
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Post by klinemj on Dec 16, 2018 8:25:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't wait for an Emotiva solution. They have had one on the drawing boards since the XDA-1 days. Dan has said many times to just use a Mac Mini or RPi. I'm not waiting for an Emotiva solution - I have solutions for my needs currently, so I am not actively shopping. But, if Emotiva has an option available, I'd likely try it (and maybe try it in parallel with one of these others). As dyohn noted, others like me using a PC as our current solution might actually have a problem that goes away when we try something else. (That said - anyone with a spare microrendu, send it to me and I'll try it and return it!)As Keith noted, their new DAC is getting close, but their streaming solution is further away. That's fine w/me. Regarding their past approaches you refer to "since the XDA-1 days", back then they were talking some very different approaches vs. what they talked at Emofest last year. Frankly, I wouldn't have wanted one of the things they were talking about. But, what they talked at Emofest sounds more of interest to me and sounds more like the Sonore products than an "all in 1 streamer" like they were talking before. I suspect we'll see one as an RMC-1 expansion module and a stand alone unit..."in due time". Mark And, this is the very statement that led to me getting a PM and trying one! LOL! Mark |
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Post by chicagorspec on Dec 16, 2018 9:00:15 GMT -5
Where this mess all started! LOL So it was YOUR fault! |
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Post by badronald on Feb 15, 2019 16:14:01 GMT -5
No, the mytech does not have a ESS9028Pro dac I guess Mytek themselves got it wrong to then..... "Brooklyn DAC+ features the following improvements as compared to Brooklyn DAC: - Sabre 9028 Pro chipset ( 9018 in older model)" Source: mytekdigital.com/hifi/products/brooklyn/I have the Manhattan, not the Brooklyn. Mytek got to right, you got it wrong. The Manhattan and the brooklyn do not use the same Dac chips. |
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Post by qdtjni on Feb 16, 2019 2:34:48 GMT -5
I guess Mytek themselves got it wrong to then..... "Brooklyn DAC+ features the following improvements as compared to Brooklyn DAC: - Sabre 9028 Pro chipset ( 9018 in older model)" Source: mytekdigital.com/hifi/products/brooklyn/I have the Manhattan, not the Brooklyn. Mytek got to right, you got it wrong. The Manhattan and the brooklyn do not use the same Dac chips. You were responding to a post about Mytek Brooklyn DAC+, where you stated it does not have the 9028 Pro chip. |
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Post by badronald on Feb 25, 2019 18:19:12 GMT -5
I have the Manhattan, not the Brooklyn. Mytek got to right, you got it wrong. The Manhattan and the brooklyn do not use the same Dac chips. You were responding to a post about Mytek Brooklyn DAC+, where you stated it does not have the 9028 Pro chip. no, read it again. |
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Post by qdtjni on Feb 27, 2019 5:51:57 GMT -5
You were responding to a post about Mytek Brooklyn DAC+, where you stated it does not have the 9028 Pro chip. no, read it again. Yves said: he Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ use only one ES9028PRO You said: . No, the mytech does not have a ESS9028Pro dac If "the mytech" was referring your Mytek Manhattan (II?) rather than the Brooklyn DAC+ in the post you quoted, it could have been made just a tiny bit clearer..... |
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 30, 2019 0:37:32 GMT -5
I have read all the posts on this and have got to say that an Sotm 200 ultra with their matching sps500 power supply was the single most important upgrade I have ever made. Yes for me even more than different speakers. Different speakers playing digital anything still sounded awful to me. I couldn't listen for any length of time. Anything over like 30 minutes and it was like my brain would try to close off my hearing. It was that bad. And I would start getting tense instead of relaxed like I should be.
Some background I have an issue with most digital music. In fact up until about seven years ago I couldn't tolerate it. I have very sensitive ears. It is something that bothers me to no end. So within the last few years a lot of the Dacs have gotten much better to me. Something with the Sabre 9018 started the revelation for me. Up until that point regardless of how the dac chips measured they all bothered me. It didn't matter the cost of the product that the dac was in. How it was implemented. Or anything else.
I first started off with my computer hooked into the Oppo 105's dac input and I always got listener fatigue after about an hour. Then I bought an Sotm sms200, the basic one, first and all that bothered me was gone. It sounded much better. Much smoother sounding mostly. I could all of a sudden listen for a couple hours with no fatigue setting in. Then I upgraded to the ultra and the change was simply incredible. So much more body to the instruments. So much more smoothness in the upper mids. It sounded so much more analog like to me. It brought so much more warmth to the midrange. Everything was better. It wasn't even close to the computer hooked up to the Oppo's usb dac input. And I compared it in the blind. 10 out of 10 times I picked which was which. And every time it was so obvious that the music sounded much more real through the SMS 200 ultra.
So whatever they have in them boxes works. And for anybody that hasn't heard it, it is for sure an eye opener. I didn't do any of the other tweaks that so many talk about. Just the Sps500 power supply to Sms200ultra to Oppo 105 with a cheaper Pangea USB cable. And unfortunately I sold it to buy a PS Audio direct stream Dac and without the Sms 200 ultra I was extremely disappointed. The edginess was back. I got annoyed from the first note. I couldn't believe it. Everyone said how nice sounding this Dac was supposed to be. I ended up selling all my equipment and gave up audio for a year all together. I sent my RMC1 back and sold all the rest of my gear. I was so devastated. I spent a lot of money on that DAC. I should have never sold my Oppo and the SMS 200 ultra. They were way more musical sounding.
But I am back and have learned a valuable lesson. Trust your ears and your heart,brain. But when your heart and brain conflict, go with your heart. They will let you know all that you need to know.
And to be honest I don't care what anyone says. It was a revelation for me. And one that I will not forget.
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Post by fbczar on Dec 30, 2019 8:52:57 GMT -5
I have read all the posts on this and have got to say that an Sotm 200 ultra with their matching sps500 power supply was the single most important upgrade I have ever made. Yes for me even more than different speakers. Different speakers playing digital anything still sounded awful to me. I couldn't listen for any length of time. Anything over like 30 minutes and it was like my brain would try to close off my hearing. It was that bad. And I would start getting tense instead of relaxed like I should be. Some background I have an issue with most digital music. In fact up until about seven years ago I couldn't tolerate it. I have very sensitive ears. It is something that bothers me to no end. So within the last few years a lot of the Dacs have gotten much better to me. Something with the Sabre 9018 started the revelation for me. Up until that point regardless of how the dac chips measured they all bothered me. It didn't matter the cost of the product that the dac was in. How it was implemented. Or anything else. I first started off with my computer hooked into the Oppo 105's dac input and I always got listener fatigue after about an hour. Then I bought an Sotm sms200, the basic one, first and all that bothered me was gone. It sounded much better. Much smoother sounding mostly. I could all of a sudden listen for a couple hours with no fatigue setting in. Then I upgraded to the ultra and the change was simply incredible. So much more body to the instruments. So much more smoothness in the upper mids. It sounded so much more analog like to me. It brought so much more warmth to the midrange. Everything was better. It wasn't even close to the computer hooked up to the Oppo's usb dac input. And I compared it in the blind. 10 out of 10 times I picked which was which. And every time it was so obvious that the music sounded much more real through the SMS 200 ultra. So whatever they have in them boxes works. And for anybody that hasn't heard it, it is for sure an eye opener. I didn't do any of the other tweaks that so many talk about. Just the Sps500 power supply to Sms200ultra to Oppo 105 with a cheaper Pangea USB cable. And unfortunately I sold it to buy a PS Audio direct stream Dac and without the Sms 200 ultra I was extremely disappointed. The edginess was back. I got annoyed from the first note. I couldn't believe it. Everyone said how nice sounding this Dac was supposed to be. I ended up selling all my equipment and gave up audio for a year all together. I sent my RMC1 back and sold all the rest of my gear. I was so devastated. I spent a lot of money on that DAC. I should have never sold my Oppo and the SMS 200 ultra. They were way more musical sounding. But I am back and have learned a valuable lesson. Trust your ears and your heart,brain. But when your heart and brain conflict, go with your heart. They will let you know all that you need to know. And to be honest I don't care what anyone says. It was a revelation for me. And one that I will not forget. Always trust your own hearing. |
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Post by repeetavx on Dec 30, 2019 10:59:56 GMT -5
After reading rhale64's comments, I searched and read a couple of reviews for the SOtM-200.
What I find interesting is that what is being said by both rhale64 and the reviewers, is that doing a digital to digital "conversion" while maintaining the "bit perfect" check sum results makes a difference in perceived sound.
So as a digital electronics technician, we are left with pulse amplitude changes. Or pulse shape changes. Or voltage noise imposed on the digital pulse. Though I'm sure that noise levels and jitter from these units are already "immeasurable".
Which brings me back to my audiophile side. That changes that "can't possibly" make a difference in sound, do. And that there is more to audio reproduction than what we can currently measure.
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 31, 2019 20:34:52 GMT -5
It's ironic that the reason I found this thread is because I am trying to find a used Sotm sms200 ultra or the newer neo version. The reason why is because I loved mine so much previously. If I have to I will buy brand new again. But since I sold mine some time ago for 800$ I am trying to pick up another for about the same price. Remember people I had the Direct Stream Dac with the Bridge 2. And it wasn't even close to the SMS 200 ultra into the Oppo. In the real world this shouldn't be the case. The Direct Stream Dac was much more harsh sounding to me. I missed all the texture of the music. All the fingers on the strings of a guitar. All the vibration of an acoustic guitar. Yes with the Sotm I could clearly feel this. It was just such a great sense of what real music sounds like. Not what reproduced music sounds like.
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Post by novisnick on Dec 31, 2019 23:26:16 GMT -5
It's ironic that the reason I found this thread is because I am trying to find a used Sotm sms200 ultra or the newer neo version. The reason why is because I loved mine so much previously. If I have to I will buy brand new again. But since I sold mine some time ago for 800$ I am trying to pick up another for about the same price. Remember people I had the Direct Stream Dac with the Bridge 2. And it wasn't even close to the SMS 200 ultra into the Oppo. In the real world this shouldn't be the case. The Direct Stream Dac was much more harsh sounding to me. I missed all the texture of the music. All the fingers on the strings of a guitar. All the vibration of an acoustic guitar. Yes with the Sotm I could clearly feel this. It was just such a great sense of what real music sounds like. Not what reproduced music sounds like. The thought of selling my soTm sms-200 Ultra never crossed my mind. The sound is Devine, I also have the sps-500 but the chain does not include an Oppo but a 𝙊𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙖𝙡 Brooklyn and the soTm sNH-10G Network Switch. My Mac Mini and attached external hard-drive feeds the system via ethernet. I’ve never heard anything better except my vinyl setup, and that is as close as perfect as I’ve ever heard ! At $800 I do believe you came pretty close to giving it away. Do a little research about the Neo, the difference is only the tendency and not sound quality. Enjoy and good luck! |
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Post by Soup on Jan 1, 2020 16:35:35 GMT -5
I would love to pick up a used sotm 200 to compare to my microRendu.
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