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Post by Bonzo on Jul 27, 2018 14:28:23 GMT -5
I dislike these lists anymore because EVERYONE always fails to understand and confuse one big thing. There is a big difference between the "BEST" and "GREATEST." They are NOT synonymous. If you're the best then you're the greatest. Like Muhammad Ali was the best heavyweight and also the greatest heavyweight. He even said so himself.  It makes no sense to say someone was the best drummer but not the greatest drummer. If you are talking about Buddy Rich being the greatest drummer but not the best rock drummer, those are two different categories and you are not talking apples to oranges. But apples to apples, to say someone is the greatest is the equivalent of saying they are the best. Nope. You are absolutely wrong on this one in my book. Best simply refers to talent and ability. The best drummer in the world could quite possibly someone we've never heard of. For example, the best guitarist I've ever seen was a guy in Chicago. He was a college professor. He played in a local band called Howard and the White Boys. He was so good, I feel absolutely confident saying he could have made Stevie Ray Vaughan's jaw drop with awe. He's the best. But he has no greatness what so ever. Greatness is something that is earned. Greatness takes time. Greatness means you influence people and even change the culture. Greatness is more than just being good at something. For example, Ringo Star is one of the great drummers simply because he was in the Beatles. But in a "best" contest, he wouldn't even make the list. Many people cross over into both, and that's why people confuse the two. Being very good on the "best" list certainly usually helps getting on the "greatest" list. Eric Clapton is one of the greatest guitarists, but he's not one of the best. Derek Trucks is one of the best guitarists, but so far, he has not achieved greatness. I hope he does someday. Keith Richard's is one of the greatest guitarists, but he's lower down on the "best" list. Stevie Ray Vaughan was easily one of the best ever, and did have notoriety, but unfortunately he didn't really achieve true greatness until after he died and people really started watching him. There is a difference. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 27, 2018 14:31:32 GMT -5
+1 on Neil Peart - I think that he's in a class of his own If they said "Percussionist" - I may have voted for Peter Gabriel. Over the years, he has found creative and highly artistic ways to make unique percussive sounds and incorporate them into his music. He is one of those gifted with the ability to "think outside of the box"... with an Honorable Mention going to Ringo (Ringo was one of the FIRST. What he did was not all that complicated, but watch what he's done over the years with the various "All-Star Bands" that he's assembled over the years, you'll see that even at his relatively advanced age - he can still "bring it"!) I was never a huge Beatles fan. However, Ringo was an essential element in that group and couldn’t imagine their success without his simple, rock solid time keeping. Ringo disliked listening to drum solos (bored) as well as not playing them, it’s been said. Bill |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 27, 2018 14:40:16 GMT -5
Peart and Bonham no one else comes close Good drummers but the greatest?? Not a chance of that I would say 😜 Bill |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 27, 2018 14:47:22 GMT -5
If you're the best then you're the greatest. Like Muhammad Ali was the best heavyweight and also the greatest heavyweight. He even said so himself. It makes no sense to say someone was the best drummer but not the greatest drummer. If you are talking about Buddy Rich being the greatest drummer but not the best rock drummer, those are two different categories and you are not talking apples to oranges. But apples to apples, to say someone is the greatest is the equivalent of saying they are the best. Nope. You are absolutely wrong on this one in my book. Best simply refers to talent and ability. The best drummer in the world could quite possibly someone we've never heard of. For example, the best guitarist I've ever seen was a guy in Chicago. He was a college professor. He played in a local band called Howard and the White Boys. He was so good, I feel absolutely confident saying he could have made Stevie Ray Vaughan's jaw drop with awe. He's the best. But he has no greatness what so ever. Greatness is something that is earned. Greatness takes time. Greatness means you influence people and even change the culture. Greatness is more than just being good at something. For example, Ringo Star is one of the great drummers simply because he was in the Beatles. But in a "best" contest, he wouldn't even make the list. Many people cross over into both, and that's why people confuse the two. Being very good on the "best" list certainly usually helps getting on the "greatest" list. Eric Clapton is one of the greatest guitarists, but he's not one of the best. Derek Trucks is one of the best guitarists, but so far, he has not achieved greatness. I hope he does someday. Keith Richard's is one of the greatest guitarists, but he's lower down on the "best" list. Stevie Ray Vaughan was easily one of the best ever, and did have notoriety, but unfortunately he didn't really achieve true greatness until after he died and people really started watching him. There is a difference. You and I are talking about apples and oranges when it comes to definitions, then. One of the definitions of "greatest" from Websters is, "highest in importance or degree or significance or achievement; most eminent; as, our greatest statesmen." Best implies of the highest degree, better than all others. But "greatest" can also have that meaning as well as the one I quoted above. That's what I was referring to whereas you were referring to the one based on achievement and influence so I grant you that's correct and I understand your example. That said, I still say asking a question like the one for this thread might as well be one in which you ask what is the best speaker of all time? (Or what is the greatest speaker of all time) |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 27, 2018 14:49:30 GMT -5
If you REALLY want to get lost here go to www.drummerworld.com Names and clips of every great 👍 Drummer you can think of there. World’s most creatively different drummer.... Check out Trilok Gurtu. Guaranteed to blow your head apart if you can figure out how he does what he does. Bill |
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Post by musicfan on Jul 27, 2018 15:23:01 GMT -5
This is rock and roll drummers. I think people are forgetting that.
As a drummer. I am
Not sure I would even put a rock and roll drummer in top 5 best of all time over all genres. I’m not sure. Probably still put peart and Bonzo in there.
Also a great drum soloist doesn’t make him that great FYI.
Buddy rich was amazing but not a rock and roll drummer
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Post by Cory Cooper on Jul 27, 2018 15:46:54 GMT -5
My top five in alphabetical order:
Hal Blaine
John Bonham
Steve Gadd
Jim Keltner
Jeff Porcaro
Other than Bonzo, and Porcaro's Toto years, they are all mainly session drummers with unbelievable resumés and wide-ranging discographies.
C
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 27, 2018 16:31:56 GMT -5
That said, I still say asking a question like the one for this thread might as well be one in which you ask what is the best speaker of all time? (Or what is the greatest speaker of all time) On that we can certainly agree. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 27, 2018 16:37:50 GMT -5
The dynamic Dead duo......
LOVE bands with 2 drummers.....
And check out The Beam in this video. Mickey hits it at about the 1:05 mark. Most amazingly low tone I've ever heard in concert. Made my heart vibrate. Of course this video doesn't capture that frequency.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 27, 2018 16:51:11 GMT -5
what is the best speaker of all time? (Or what is the greatest speaker of all time) Those are easy questions. The greatest speaker of all time is the Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater series, and the best speaker system of all time is the MBL 101 X-treme Ultimate.  |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 27, 2018 16:54:29 GMT -5
A little time with Mickey Hart describing his role, and showing off a few items, including The Beam.
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 27, 2018 17:14:13 GMT -5
what is the best speaker of all time? (Or what is the greatest speaker of all time) Those are easy questions. The greatest speaker of all time is the Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater series, and the best speaker system of all time is the MBL 101 X-treme Ultimate. Wise guy, eh???  |
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Post by IronPigsDigs on Jul 27, 2018 21:32:25 GMT -5
If you REALLY want to get lost here go to www.drummerworld.com Names and clips of every great 👍 Drummer you can think of there. World’s most creatively different drummer.... Check out Trilok Gurtu. Guaranteed to blow your head apart if you can figure out how he does what he does. Bill Really cool videos there. And Gurtu is amazing. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 14, 2018 20:44:53 GMT -5
Another shout out for Carter Beauford. Sitting here listening to the newest DMB album COME TOMORROW and the thing that jumps to me is the drums. Simply fantastic. I love these guys, but he is a definite stand out.
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 14, 2018 23:00:00 GMT -5
Another shout out for Carter Beauford. Sitting here listening to the newest DMB album COME TOMORROW and the thing that jumps to me is the drums. Simply fantastic. I love these guys, but he is a definite stand out. I have “listener supported” another great performance....Carter was such a great infusion into the rock world, bringing jazz chops into the mix with power. Bill |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 15, 2018 7:36:58 GMT -5
Mickey Hart?
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Post by Soup on Sept 15, 2018 13:11:23 GMT -5
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Post by donh50 on Sept 15, 2018 18:36:54 GMT -5
Decent drummer and also composer Carl Palmer? Wouldn't say he is "best" just one on my list. I admit drummers aren't something I track; I know of Buddy Rich through the trumpet players and all the back stories. My older son plays drums, have to ask him.
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Post by Jean Genie on Sept 19, 2018 6:53:25 GMT -5
I dislike these lists anymore because EVERYONE always fails to understand and confuse one big thing. There is a big difference between the "BEST" and "GREATEST." They are NOT synonymous. Ringo is great but Pete was Best! 😎 🙈🙉🙊 |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Sept 19, 2018 8:22:48 GMT -5
To me, it's Ringo Starr.
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