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Post by creimes on Jun 12, 2019 9:17:00 GMT -5
I would be down to volunteer to move up to be part of Emo North. P.S. My garage isn't that nice hahaha |
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 12, 2019 9:21:59 GMT -5
P.S. My garage isn't that nice hahaha Don't be so modest, it is fine.  |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 12, 2019 9:53:10 GMT -5
This may be a generalized post at CD players, but in reality its just another safe poke at people who still like CD players. I don't get it. Why do people who no longer use CD players almost always feel the need to poke fun at players still existing, and/or at the people who still like to use them. Its almost always snide sarcasm with a hint of "how stupid." Yet you almost never hear people who like CD players dissing people who use streaming or some other way to get music. Why do people who stream feel they are so superior? I don't get it. I disagree to an extent Bonzo as I feel like SOME of the people who still listen to CD's throw shade at people who have to listen to crappy compressed streams. Yes, "some" do. But the ratio is very much slanted the other way. People who like CDs seemingly have to defend themselves all the time reasoning why they like them. On this particular forum, I don't think Ive seen one CD liking person make snide below the belt quips about streaming and people who stream. But the other way around happens in every single thread where CDs get mentioned. |
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Post by sahmen on Jun 12, 2019 11:43:51 GMT -5
Owner of ERC-3 and network streamers here, so no dissing intended, either way. Okay, so I have one ERC-3 now, because I still have tons of CDs... Strike that, I used to have 2 ERC-3s, because I thought I would need a second one for another system. Sadly, I recently sold one of them, because it had become totally, and obviously redundant. More so, since I also have 2 Oppos--One 103 and one 203--both of which can double as CD/SACD players *and* streamers when needed. The 203 does Roon, which means it runs Tidal and Qobuz, and does them very well, and, by the way, this doing Roon/Tidal/Qobuz is a feature it shares with all the computers, cellphones, and ipads in my house, as many people know by now (the oppo 103 also does Tidal and has the usual video streaming apps as well, but I digress)... Yet nowadays, I listen to 2-channel stereo music almost exclusively through Roon on two standalone Roon endpoints, the UltraRendu (hooked up to the Schiit Yggdrasil Analog2) and the Metrum Acoustics Ambre (hooked up to the Metrum Acoustics Onyx), because that is just how 2-channel music sounds best in my house for both speakers and headphones, no contest here. The XMC-1 works great for HT/multichannel music, videos, and movies, of course, but for 2-channel music, using or hi-rez/ripped cd streaming, the two roon/DAC rigs listed above simply can't be beaten, either SQ-wise or for the sheer convenience of the packaging, curating, and on-demand delivery of sonic bliss, and I am sure those who are familiar with such rigs won't disagree... So where does that leave my one still remaining ERC-3? Here's a little anecdote: in the past year and a half, I have played a grand total of *one* cd album on the ERC-3, in an experience which lasted less than one hour. I did it for kicks, as if to confirm to myself that the "old geezer" was still alive and kicking, The album sounded great, as the ERC-3 usually does, but having become too used to--and I admit it, spoiled by-- Roon's convenient ways of packaging, curating, and delivering the music to my towers and headphones, I was quickly back to queuing up albums and playlists on my iphone, ipads, or macbook pro, and that is where the little adventure with the still revered ERC-3 ended. After having said all that, would you be surprised if I confess that my ERC-3 has began to feel more and more like a museum exhibit to me? If that sounded like a diss, then it was not meant to be one. I just do not know how else to describe the issue to make it sound any better. It is not the same with the Oppo players, since streaming has still not eclipsed disc-based playback when it comes to movies and videos, either in the areas of picture or sound quality..., and as these players also work great for multichannel music. I am a little sad to think that only two and half years ago, the ERC-3 was the undisputed "king of the castle" for two-channel stereo music in my house... So why this long rant? I really do not think that this issue is usefully described in "us" vs "them" terms, or as some kind of zero sum game. In my opinion, we should not be placed in a position where we have to be either "for" or "against" streaming, not to mention "for" or "against" disc-based playback systems. I think in this age of rapidly evolving formats, delivery systems, and AV components, flexibility ought to be the name of the game, which is why I am making a case for the inclusion of some music streaming functionality, or a device capable of such, in Emotiva's new inventory. I am presenting my situation to serve as one sample in a possible case study (should anyone be interested), without pretending to dictate to Emotiva what features they need to include in their components or exclude from them, talk less of tell them what business-model to practice. For one thing, I do not have the facts or expertise to determine exactly how much the introduction of any music streaming technology might contribute to Emo's revenue stream. Still, having read quite a bit of A/V enthusiast forums, I am aware that the number of enthusiasts who are in a situation more or less similar to mine, is growing, not decreasing. The bottom line is that I do not think the music streaming crowd can be ignored for too long. It is, IMHO, the future, and that future is already here... And, last but not the least, as we always like to say in Audio, YMMV  . Most importantly, enjoy the music |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 12, 2019 11:55:09 GMT -5
They did talk about that at the last Emofest...they would have a streamer that could be an add-on module in the RMC-1, the same thing as possibly a "built into the DC-2" as an option, and a stand-alone box. I'm not holding my breath for any of those at this point. Maybe they will come, maybe not. After all, several years ago at another Emofest, they had a prototype streamer, but that never came to market either. Mark I have a fun little DIY project I will eventually post here where I have created a module for the RMC-1 using a raspberry pi running Kodi. I used the laser here to cut the platform so it can properly mount inside the chassis in one the of the expansion bays. You could easily swap the micro SD card in the Pi and run Volumio too as a module. Is Emotiva planning to make that the official add-on module for the RMC-1 or is that just a "Mandara Special". If it's the Emotiva module, is there any change at all to the R-Pi card? If not, what would attract someone to get that vs. just get a Pi and case and run USB out into a USB input on the RMC or another DAC? I've built 2 different Pi's as streamers and they take about 10 minutes to unpack, assemble, and get running. (And, there are a lot of OS's you can run in addition to Kodi and Volumio...nice feature!) Mark |
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Post by Hair Nick on Jun 12, 2019 12:04:29 GMT -5
I have a fun little DIY project I will eventually post here where I have created a module for the RMC-1 using a raspberry pi running Kodi. I used the laser here to cut the platform so it can properly mount inside the chassis in one the of the expansion bays. You could easily swap the micro SD card in the Pi and run Volumio too as a module. Is Emotiva planning to make that the official add-on module for the RMC-1 or is that just a "Mandara Special". If it's the Emotiva module, is there any change at all to the R-Pi card? If not, what would attract someone to get that vs. just get a Pi and case and run USB out into a USB input on the RMC or another DAC? I've built 2 different Pi's as streamers and they take about 10 minutes to unpack, assemble, and get running. (And, there are a lot of OS's you can run in addition to Kodi and Volumio...nice feature!) Mark No promises on anything but I have shown Dan what I'm doing and he digs it so you never know. **HYPOTHETICAL THOUGHT** If we were to create Pi module for the RMC-1, it could come in an Emotiva branded Kodi and a Volumio version micro SD for you to use depending on your applications. But with that said, it would be very simple for you to swap SD cards to run whatever you want. I think most people would leave the branded SD card alone but there is a DIY community that could really have some fun with it. One issue people could have with Kodi is that it is locked into 7.1 on the Raspberry Pi. So no direct Atmos or DTS:X with an off the shelf Pi for the theater people. This is why you would need a module from some supplier board out there that could manage 16 channels. You could use the upmixer with 7.1 PCM but not native Atmos/DTS:X content. |
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Post by creimes on Jun 12, 2019 12:19:48 GMT -5
P.S. My garage isn't that nice hahaha Don't be so modest, it is fine. WAIT....HOLD THE PHONE...... I have a Ferrari  |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 12, 2019 12:24:23 GMT -5
Is Emotiva planning to make that the official add-on module for the RMC-1 or is that just a "Mandara Special". If it's the Emotiva module, is there any change at all to the R-Pi card? If not, what would attract someone to get that vs. just get a Pi and case and run USB out into a USB input on the RMC or another DAC? I've built 2 different Pi's as streamers and they take about 10 minutes to unpack, assemble, and get running. (And, there are a lot of OS's you can run in addition to Kodi and Volumio...nice feature!) Mark No promises on anything but I have shown Dan what I'm doing and he digs it so you never know. **HYPOTHETICAL THOUGHT** If we were to create Pi module for the RMC-1, it could come in an Emotiva branded Kodi and a Volumio version micro SD for you to use depending on your applications. But with that said, it would be very simple for you to swap SD cards to run whatever you want. I think most people would leave the branded SD card alone but there is a DIY community that could really have some fun with it. One issue people could have with Kodi is that it is locked into 7.1 on the Raspberry Pi. So no direct Atmos or DTS:X with an off the shelf Pi for the theater people. This is why you would need a module from some supplier board out there that could manage 16 channels. You could use the upmixer with 7.1 PCM but not native Atmos/DTS:X content. So, no hardware differences vs. standard Pi. Got it. But, I presume you tap into the RMC-1's power supply instead of using an outboard one, correct? Also, what advantage would there be for an Emotiva-branded OS version? And, while you are at it with Emotiva-branded versions, if there is some advantage you are building in - also consider DietPi which includes the option to be a Roon Bridge and much much more. Mark |
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Post by geeqner on Jun 12, 2019 12:46:52 GMT -5
Don't be so modest, it is fine. WAIT....HOLD THE PHONE...... I have a Ferrari Yeah - But that FORD is making the Ferrari its Bee-Otch! (Too much carnage to be an "accident" - looks like the work of a WILEY Ex-Wife! [sorry for the Off-Topic, but too funny to resist...]) |
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 12, 2019 12:48:49 GMT -5
This may be a generalized post at CD players, but in reality its just another safe poke at people who still like CD players. I don't get it. Why do people who no longer use CD players almost always feel the need to poke fun at players still existing, and/or at the people who still like to use them. Its almost always snide sarcasm with a hint of "how stupid." Yet you almost never hear people who like CD players dissing people who use streaming or some other way to get music. Why do people who stream feel they are so superior? I don't get it. My only beef with this cd player is that I very much doubt is going to be revolutionary or better than what is already out there. Hence making this product a niche item at best. I still have a cd player and play cds once in a while. It is just another cd player out of the bunch. |
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 9, 2019 0:07:45 GMT -5
I used to own an ERC-3. But I sold it becauce I wanted less gear. I have invested in a really high end bluray player, the Pioneer UDP-LX800.
I plays all formats, including multi channel SACDs. It has USB to play from files, also plays from network.
It does not, however, have digital inputs and no audio apps.
It’s an absolutely stunning disc player with amazingly good 2ch playback..
What I miss in ERC-4 to make it stand out is:
• USB input for playing audio files or connecting a hdd with your collection.
• Network connection to access rhese files from elsewhere.
• SACD native playback
• HDMI output to send SACD digitally and support multichannel playback.
• builtin streaming apps for audio. An extra that would have made ERC-4 THE unit to own for audio playback.
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