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Post by DYohn on Nov 2, 2018 13:23:59 GMT -5
OTOH, if the technology doesn't spread, then the likelihood of either Micro-Rendu OR SOtM remaining in business (after they've saturated their tiny potential market demographic) is virtually zero. Sonore and Small Green Computer have already been around for about ten years so don't worry about that. The Micro and the Ultra Rendus and other Sonicorbiter devices and servers are selling briskly. Indeed, keeping up with the demand has at times been difficult for them. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 2, 2018 13:30:37 GMT -5
I've risked far more than the cost of an UltraRendu before in quest of better sound, and think that I'll ultimately succumb to trying out its possibilities. But that doesn't negate any of what I've said about the future of the products or the companies... Time will tell... It's a matter of reaching critical mass. I don't think they've done that yet.
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Post by DYohn on Nov 2, 2018 13:45:37 GMT -5
I've risked far more than the cost of an UltraRendu before in quest of better sound, and think that I'll ultimately succumb to trying out its possibilities. But that doesn't negate any of what I've said about the future of the products or the companies... Time will tell... It's a matter of reaching critical mass. I don't think they've done that yet. You talk like they only have one product. Obviously you have research to do if you'd like to be accurate. |
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Post by liv2teach on Nov 2, 2018 14:28:52 GMT -5
IMHO, try replacing the walkman with a big or little ego knowing you have 30 days to return if not happy Alright, you talked me into it...I guess that's what being an audiophile does to you...the ongoing search for audio nirvana...huh. After doing some more reading, I just realized I can run my Modwright Oppo 205 as a dac and play it directly into my tube pre-amp. Plus, I can use an hdmi connection out of my computer into the Oppo, I'm guessing this will give me about the best sound possible. Just saved $200...cha-ching! |
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Post by sahmen on Nov 2, 2018 14:35:17 GMT -5
Hi Boom: This technology of network bridges, renderers, and players, is not as new as you assume it to be... The rendus from Sonore and the SOtM products are just more recent iterations of technologies that have been in the works for a long long time... The following review of known network players at at Audiostream might interest you, as it has 30 such products or more: www.audiostream.com/category/network-player-reviews Mind you, that list is not even up-to-date, because there are more of such products coming out all the time. Roon already partners with more than 50 companies world-wide >> link << who have similar network players installed on machines, with prices that range through the entire gamut known in the audiophile world... This recently released Lumin X1 universal network player >> link <<, for example, will lighten the wallet of an enthusiast to the tune of a cool $13,990.00, and I am betting that it is not even the most expensive product around yet... The point of this post is, however, not to parade high prices... I just think that this technology and these products are already pretty much "mainstream" in the niche industry of audiophile products (whether in the "hi-end," "mid-fi" or affordable categories), and it is just counterintuitive to regard them as if they belong to some kind of "fringe" experimental technology, as they clearly do not. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 2, 2018 14:52:09 GMT -5
Sonora was selling sotm before they built their own device. Bit of history for y’all. These are not new toys or technology.as shaman has stated.
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Post by DYohn on Nov 2, 2018 14:59:08 GMT -5
Network audio took off in about 2001 thanks to Squeeze Boxes. It's only grown since.
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Post by qdtjni on Nov 2, 2018 15:33:03 GMT -5
Network audio took off in about 2001 thanks to Squeeze Boxes. It's only grown since. And the Transporter measured at least as good as any DAC or CD player. Now all of a sudden It seems impossible to produce any measurements If any kind. As a scientist, I found that more than just a little bit dodgy. If that was not enough SoTM recently introduced this switch, www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/snh-10g/Jesus Christ, if that is not snake oil, what is? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 2, 2018 15:48:19 GMT -5
Thank you all for the education. My eyes are opened!
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Post by qdtjni on Nov 2, 2018 15:51:59 GMT -5
the fact they are purpose built extends their useful life beyond that of the typical computer. The life expectancy of most computers is dictated by the tasks they can perform and their ability to accept upgrades. I bought an sMS-100 2014, it was never upgraded to be Roon capable and IIRC, no firmware upgrade since 2016. Pretty sure it will be a challenge for you to present any other computer based product with such short life length in terms of OS or FW upgrades. |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 2, 2018 16:01:14 GMT -5
Network audio took off in about 2001 thanks to Squeeze Boxes. It's only grown since. And the Transporter measured at least as good as any DAC or CD player. Now all of a sudden It seems impossible to produce any measurements If any kind. As a scientist, I found that more than just a little bit dodgy. If that was not enough SoTM recently introduced this switch, www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/snh-10g/Jesus Christ, if that is not snake oil, what is? Impossible to produce any measurements? Of course it's not. Go visit the site Computer Audiophile it is full of measurements. I agree that a so-called-audiophile network switch smells to high heaven. |
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Post by qdtjni on Nov 2, 2018 16:13:39 GMT -5
Impossible to produce any measurements? Of course it's not. Go visit the site Computer Audiophile it is full of measurements. Thanks but where are the measurements of MR, UR or any of the SoTM players? EDIT: Other than the ones from Audiosciences dude, that is. |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 2, 2018 16:25:20 GMT -5
Impossible to produce any measurements? Of course it's not. Go visit the site Computer Audiophile it is full of measurements. Thanks but where are the measurements of MR, UR or any of the SoTM players? EDIT: Other than the ones from Audiosciences dude, that is. Yea, Amirm's measurements are at best questionable in most cases. He follows no industry standards. I did some googling and came up with hundreds of reviews, some with posted measurements most without. I suggest you do some more research is it's important to you. Contact Sonore. All I know is the difference in the sound of my system was stark enough to convince me that I didn't care about why, I only knew what I liked. |
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Post by qdtjni on Nov 2, 2018 16:31:17 GMT -5
Thanks but where are the measurements of MR, UR or any of the SoTM players? EDIT: Other than the ones from Audiosciences dude, that is. Yea, Amirm's measurements are at best questionable in most cases. He follows no industry standards. I did some googling and came up with hundreds of reviews, some with posted measurements most without. I suggest you do some more research is it's important to you. Contact Sonore. All I know is the difference in the sound of my system was stark enough to convince me that I didn't care about why, I only knew what I liked. The thing, is I don't find any with measurements at all part from already mentioned Audioscience dude. If you find some, please share the links. EDIT: I already asked J@Sonore about this a few years ago an he didn't share any measurements and was very diplomactic about any sound improvements |
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Post by sahmen on Nov 2, 2018 17:55:17 GMT -5
Yea, Amirm's measurements are at best questionable in most cases. He follows no industry standards. I did some googling and came up with hundreds of reviews, some with posted measurements most without. I suggest you do some more research is it's important to you. Contact Sonore. All I know is the difference in the sound of my system was stark enough to convince me that I didn't care about why, I only knew what I liked. The thing, is I don't find any with measurements at all part from already mentioned Audioscience dude. If you find some, please share the links. EDIT: I already asked J@Sonore about this a few years ago an he didn't share any measurements and was very diplomactic about any sound improvements qdtjni : I personally don't have any interest in defending any snake-oilers, or purveyors of snake-oil, but just as a matter of keeping the record straight : Do any manufacturers, in general, make it a common practice of making public (or making available to consumers) measurements covering the workings of internal components, such as the ones you seem to be demanding? I am not referring to the regular publication of specifications, such as those one normally gets in User manuals, or those on product pages such as those of the Ultrarendu or the Signature Rendu SE : here: www.smallgreencomputer.com/products/ultrarendu?variant=47409865359or here: www.smallgreencomputer.com/products/signaturerendu?variant=47853776719I refer to measurements that the manufacturers legitimately deem to be "proprietary," and to be honest, I am asking, because I have been wondering whether your suspicions about "snake oil" because of the public absence or inaccessibility of certain measurements that many would consider "proprietary" are warranted on account of their absence or lack of accessibility alone... Come to think of it, I do not have access to such internal proprietary measurements for any of electronic components I normally use... I do not have such measurements for my LG Oled, or my Mac Book Pro, or, for that matter, my Emotiva XMC-1, or DC-1, for example, and yet I have not heard anyone ever mention "snake-oil" in reference to these components, all of which I love completely, measurements or no measurements... So why should the absence of similar proprietary measurements for the Rendu products, or similar network playing products suddenly warrant such suspicions of "snake oil"? I just do not understand it... Incidentally, I found an exchange between one poster on Computer Audiophile (Hookem) and another who works for Sonore (Barrows). The subject concerned measurements involving some internal parts of the power supply unit used in the Sonore Signature Rendu SE, and I thought you might find the responses of Barrows interesting... Let me know what you think about them:   |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 2, 2018 18:03:15 GMT -5
I wish Emotiva would produce a Roon Ready device  Now, back to our regularly scheduled educational programming... |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 2, 2018 18:36:05 GMT -5
Yea, Amirm's measurements are at best questionable in most cases. He follows no industry standards. I did some googling and came up with hundreds of reviews, some with posted measurements most without. I suggest you do some more research is it's important to you. Contact Sonore. All I know is the difference in the sound of my system was stark enough to convince me that I didn't care about why, I only knew what I liked. The thing, is I don't find any with measurements at all part from already mentioned Audioscience dude. If you find some, please share the links. EDIT: I already asked J@Sonore about this a few years ago an he didn't share any measurements and was very diplomactic about any sound improvements Nope, I don’t have any measurements either! But do you like what you see? Do you really need measurements to KNOW you like? NOPE, I DONT 🤤  I do have more examples! 😁 |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 2, 2018 18:53:08 GMT -5
Network audio took off in about 2001 thanks to Squeeze Boxes. It's only grown since. And the Transporter measured at least as good as any DAC or CD player. Now all of a sudden It seems impossible to produce any measurements If any kind. As a scientist, I found that more than just a little bit dodgy. If that was not enough SoTM recently introduced this switch, www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/snh-10g/Jesus Christ, if that is not snake oil, what is? Aqvox switch special edition, better look at it predecessor, positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/the-aqvox-se-switch |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 2, 2018 20:50:21 GMT -5
Boomzilla - you're in my camp. I looked at the Rendu and SOtM options, and I'm going to pass. Paying $1000 for a 0.01% improvement in sound quality doesn't make sense to me. PS - I tried HQ Player, and I deinstalled it. PPS - The biggest improvements I experienced (in no particular order) 1. XMC-1 with Dirac 2. XPA-5, Parasound A21 amplification 3. HSU VT-15 subwoofer 4. Paradigm studio 100 v5 speakers 5. For movies - I swear the awesome video quality of my LG OLED seems to make the audio sound better. I know it doesn't, of course, but the mind is an interesting thing. In my system, my biggest improvement used to be going from my Paradigm Studio 100's to my Maggies. This change for me was as big. In other words...way above 0.01% improvement. It was drop dead obviously better. Mark |
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 2, 2018 21:23:45 GMT -5
I wish Emotiva would produce a Roon Ready device You are a broken record about this. A broken record to which I would gladly listen all day. |
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