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Post by Priapulus on Oct 31, 2018 6:55:46 GMT -5
I recently installed the v3 4k videocard in my XMC-1, but was disappointed to find it was buggy and unreliable.
* painfully slow switching, and painfully slow XMC-1 boot. * when returning to HTPC it would sometimes lose audio, requiring HTPC reboot * ARC doesn't work, it sometimes switches off, but never returns the audio, * sometimes the audio is lost and the picture goes into "slow motion" * etc, etc, etc. * given the ~years~ of development of this card, I don't expect much improvement
This was very disappointing because the XMC-1 was the command center of my AV system. As a former UMC-1 victim, it was deja vu, However, the audio was always superb.
Anyway, I bought a new 4k Samsung 8000 series screen. While rearranging my system, I temporarily plugged my HTPC, etc directly into the Samsung. The Samsung instantly recognized the HDMI devices. Switching between HDMI devices is instant and never fails, even on the HTPC. The Samsung has excellent 4K apps for everything I watch (Netflicks, Utube) so I don't need to upgrade my AppleTV or Chromecast.
So, The Samsung is my new control center and the XMC-1 has been demoted to an audio preamp. Sadly, even that is a fail, as the ARC doesn't work and I have to bodge an optical cable to connect the audio from the TV to the XMC-1. It's sad, because the XMC-1 had only two jobs: 1) to switch HDMI and 2) process the audio.
So my recommendation is to not waste money on an XMC-1 upgrade or RMC-1 with the same videocard; but put the money into a good flat screen as your switcher.
Sincerely, /b
p.s. Before you start attacking me as a troll, look at my setup below. I've been pretty loyal to EMO.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Oct 31, 2018 7:39:06 GMT -5
Currently, without the 4K board, I use the optical output back to my XMC-1 when viewing 4K material from the Samsung's internal apps.
I was/am hoping for the ATMOS upgrade, and adding an external source, but I don't know how I would get the audio to the XMC-1 if the upgraded unit can't pass the audio, as that would defeat the entire purpose of the upgrade.
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 31, 2018 8:40:32 GMT -5
I always stop reading about tech complaints whenever I see that a computer is involved. Computer manufactures are a very diverse and non compliant segment of technology. If you want to introduce a computer into your audio / video system, you better be prepared to solve your own unique technical and interface solutions.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Oct 31, 2018 10:16:27 GMT -5
The board works perfectly for me.
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Post by millst on Oct 31, 2018 10:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 31, 2018 10:53:23 GMT -5
There is an Official thread to discuss issues with the V3 board. There is much expertise and experience resolving various issues and it’s monitored by the V3 team working on these problems. If you really want to solve your problems that’s where you should post. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/948592/threadedit ... but maybe you just want to gripe
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 31, 2018 13:25:19 GMT -5
The board works perfectly for me. So swap him xmc units. Maybe you got lucky. Sadly it doesn’t work perfectly for him. My Avm60 works perfectly for me. Yours didn’t for you.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 31, 2018 14:52:11 GMT -5
“So my recommendation is to not waste money on an XMC-1 upgrade or RMC-1 with the same tech” Sorry to hear you had trouble with your upgrade. Always there are those who run into trouble with this kind of thing but I have no interest in your solution. RMC with the same tech?? Mann....the thing ain’t even out yet! (You are simply venting) Bill
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 31, 2018 14:56:20 GMT -5
The board works perfectly for me. Me too, no problems with mine, since day 1. I did take a little time optimising the settings on the source equipment and the TV. But nothing more than the usual with any HDMI chain. Cheers Gary
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Post by bootman on Oct 31, 2018 18:00:17 GMT -5
20 sentences guaranteed to start an argument on the Internet: 1. Most craft beer isn't half as good as Budweiser. 2. Football will never replace baseball as the American pastime. 3. "Girls" is the best show on television. 4. I like my steak cooked all the way through. 5. Soccer will never catch on in America. 6. Samoas are the best Girl Scout cookie. 7. "Seinfeld" has aged badly as a show. 8. Philadelphia is undoubtedly the best sports town in America. 9. Pappy Van Winkle is overrated. 10. Pie and cake are the same thing. 11. Soft pretzels are a dish, hard pretzels are a mistake. 12. New Orleans is lame. 13. Bacon's all right, I guess. 14. Bill Simmons is the best sportswriter alive. 15. Hipsters are integral to American culture. 16. Why do people from Texas call it "barbecue" when it's not even pork? 17. The important thing about US Airways is that they try hard. 18. In-N-Out and Five Guys burgers taste the same to me. 19. CrossFit and the paleo diet are founded on pseudo-science with no proven results. 20. Militant atheists are still practicing a religion. One sentence to start an argument on this forum: ...my recommendation is to not waste money on a "XMC-1 upgrade". Or insert any Emotiva product in the quotes. To the OP I'm glad you finally got your system working. You should just enjoy it. Nothing wrong with using the display as the HDMI switch. ARC or optical equals the same sound quality. You have a 4K player for HD Audio? good ones already have dual HDMI out (and for good reasons not exclusive to the XMC or any other AV control unit.) .....and HDMI is the work of the OEM devils.
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Post by novisnick on Oct 31, 2018 18:06:09 GMT -5
20 sentences guaranteed to start an argument on the Internet: 1. Most craft beer isn't half as good as Budweiser. 2. Football will never replace baseball as the American pastime. 3. "Girls" is the best show on television. 4. I like my steak cooked all the way through. 5. Soccer will never catch on in America. 6. Samoas are the best Girl Scout cookie. 7. "Seinfeld" has aged badly as a show. 8. Philadelphia is undoubtedly the best sports town in America. 9. Pappy Van Winkle is overrated. 10. Pie and cake are the same thing. 11. Soft pretzels are a dish, hard pretzels are a mistake. 12. New Orleans is lame. 13. Bacon's all right, I guess. 14. Bill Simmons is the best sportswriter alive. 15. Hipsters are integral to American culture. 16. Why do people from Texas call it "barbecue" when it's not even pork? 17. The important thing about US Airways is that they try hard. 18. In-N-Out and Five Guys burgers taste the same to me. 19. CrossFit and the paleo diet are founded on pseudo-science with no proven results. 20. Militant atheists are still practicing a religion. One sentence to start an argument on this forum: ...my recommendation is to not waste money on a "XMC-1 upgrade". Or insert any Emotiva product in the quotes. To the OP I'm glad you finally got your system working. You should just enjoy it. Nothing wrong with using the display as the HDMI switch. ARC or optical equals the same sound quality. You have a 4K player for HD Audio? good ones already have dual HDMI out (and for good reasons not exclusive to the XMC or any other AV control unit.) .....and HDMI is the work of the OEM devils. “20 sentences guaranteed to start an argument on the interenet!” They do NOT! 😏
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 1, 2018 7:56:15 GMT -5
I always stop reading about tech complaints whenever I see that a computer is involved. Computer manufactures are a very diverse and non compliant segment of technology. If you want to introduce a computer into your audio / video system, you better be prepared to solve your own unique technical and interface solutions. Yes, running AV with a processor (essentially a computer) Is a double edged sword ⚔️ at times. And yes....if you don’t have SOME idea of how your choice of components will integrate, you’re hosed, even before you get started. Bill
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Post by Priapulus on Nov 3, 2018 14:00:18 GMT -5
I always stop reading about tech complaints whenever I see that a computer is involved. I agree the MacroSloth computer compatibility is a nightmare. I wasted several days reading the various ploys on this list to work around XMC-1 HDMI issues. I considered buying a new $500 video card for the HTPC to see if that helped. But if you hadn't stopped reading, you would have read that I discovered that the Samsung did all the HDMI switching perfectly (even with the HTPC), so that was my solution. Sincerely /b
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Post by mgbpuff on Nov 3, 2018 15:38:30 GMT -5
I always stop reading about tech complaints whenever I see that a computer is involved. I agree the MacroSloth computer compatibility is a nightmare. I wasted several days reading the various ploys on this list to work around XMC-1 HDMI issues. I considered buying a new $500 video card for the HTPC to see if that helped. But if you hadn't stopped reading, you would have read that I discovered that the Samsung did all the HDMI switching perfectly (even with the HTPC), so that was my solution. Sincerely /b Yes, but I enjoy my 7.1.4 Atmos setup too much, so I will continue to struggle with occasional HDMI incompatibilities. I use HDFury products to solve most of my problems/
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Post by Priapulus on Nov 3, 2018 16:06:53 GMT -5
I agree the MacroSloth computer compatibility is a nightmare. I wasted several days reading the various ploys on this list to work around XMC-1 HDMI issues. I considered buying a new $500 video card for the HTPC to see if that helped. But if you hadn't stopped reading, you would have read that I discovered that the Samsung did all the HDMI switching perfectly (even with the HTPC), so that was my solution. Sincerely /b Yes, but I enjoy my 7.1.4 Atmos setup too much, so I will continue to struggle with occasional HDMI incompatibilities. I use HDFury products to solve most of my problems/ I'm still using the XMC-1 to process the audio, and it does that wonderfully. I'm unsure of the consequences of feeding the XMC-1 by optical cable from the TV, but I'm getting surround and it sounds good. If I buy a DVD player, I'll get one with two HDMIs out, one for the Samsung, other for the XMC-1 audio. /b
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 3, 2018 16:55:42 GMT -5
Yes, but I enjoy my 7.1.4 Atmos setup too much, so I will continue to struggle with occasional HDMI incompatibilities. I use HDFury products to solve most of my problems/ I'm still using the XMC-1 to process the audio, and it does that wonderfully. I'm unsure of the consequences of feeding the XMC-1 by optical cable from the TV, but I'm getting surround and it sounds good. If I buy a DVD player, I'll get one with two HDMIs out, one for the Samsung, other for the XMC-1 audio. /b No Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, Atmos, DTS HDMA, X
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Post by bootman on Nov 3, 2018 17:03:39 GMT -5
I'm still using the XMC-1 to process the audio, and it does that wonderfully. I'm unsure of the consequences of feeding the XMC-1 by optical cable from the TV, but I'm getting surround and it sounds good. If I buy a DVD player, I'll get one with two HDMIs out, one for the Samsung, other for the XMC-1 audio. /b No Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, Atmos, DTS HDMA, X I know you can get DD+ and now Atmos but ARC never supported TrueHD or DTSx to my knowledge. Plus no built in TV streaming service is using those last two due to BW.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 3, 2018 17:09:42 GMT -5
I'm still using the XMC-1 to process the audio, and it does that wonderfully. I'm unsure of the consequences of feeding the XMC-1 by optical cable from the TV, but I'm getting surround and it sounds good. If I buy a DVD player, I'll get one with two HDMIs out, one for the Samsung, other for the XMC-1 audio. No Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, Atmos, DTS HDMA, X That's it, only lossy Dolby Digital 5.1 over toslink, no lossless codecs and limited to 5.1. I have an inexpensive Sony X800 BDP that has 2 x HDMI outputs, one for video & audio combined and one for just audio only. That's handy for when I was bypassing the UMC-200 (no 4K switching) but is of no use now as the XMC-1 handles it, bonus is much higher WAF. But you won't need that, the XMC-1 easily handless all of the 4K BDP players I tried, Oppo, Sony and Panasonic. It's really only your HTPC that's a PIA over HDMI, with HDCP causing most issues. Cheers Gary
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 3, 2018 17:11:05 GMT -5
No Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, Atmos, DTS HDMA, X I know you can get DD+ and now Atmos but ARC never supported TrueHD or DTSx to my knowledge. Plus no built in TV streaming service is using those last two due to BW. That's over HDMI, but he is using toslink, so DD5.1 is it. Cheers Gary
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 3, 2018 19:34:56 GMT -5
No Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, Atmos, DTS HDMA, X I know you can get DD+ and now Atmos but ARC never supported TrueHD or DTSx to my knowledge. Plus no built in TV streaming service is using those last two due to BW. My response was to the question “what am I missing feeding the XMC-1 with TOSLink from my TV?”, no mention of ARC. By not going through the V3 board, and using optical instead (which is his ‘workaround’), he’s missing Dolby Digital +, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Atmos, DTS HDMA, and DTS:X. Is that not correct? I also believe some of my Sony’s built in apps will do Atmos, but that’s only from reading at AVS so I could have misread. I know they can do HDR and DV which would seem to consume more bandwidth than Atmos, but again I haven’t tried them as I use ATV.
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