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Post by richb on Apr 27, 2019 7:46:18 GMT -5
Just to clarify my comment should have read that Emotiva has no way to rip UHD discs hence the suggestion for BD titles with ATMOS to replicate the issue. There may be another possibility which would have to do with the sheer volume of data in ATMOS tracks and the size of the data packets creating buffer issues over the network. Only way to test that is to try it on another processor and see if the problem persists. This method will allow playback of a ripped UHD BD using an Oppo UDP-20x player. It support all formats including HDR10, HDR10+, and DV. - Use MakeMKV to backup the title. The result includes BDMV, CERTIFICATE, and MAKEMKV Directories. - Create a new folder and name along side these files and rename it AVCHD - Move the BDMV, CERTIFICATE, and MAKEMKV files under the AVCHD folder. With the Oppo navigate to the network share (or USB). Select the AVCHD and the title should play. - Rich
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Post by goozoo on Apr 27, 2019 9:13:26 GMT -5
Just to clarify my comment should have read that Emotiva has no way to rip UHD discs hence the suggestion for BD titles with ATMOS to replicate the issue. There may be another possibility which would have to do with the sheer volume of data in ATMOS tracks and the size of the data packets creating buffer issues over the network. Only way to test that is to try it on another processor and see if the problem persists. This method will allow playback of a ripped UHD BD using an Oppo UDP-20x player. It support all formats including HDR10, HDR10+, and DV. - Use MakeMKV to backup the title. The result includes BDMV, CERTIFICATE, and MAKEMKV Directories. - Create a new folder and name along side these files and rename it AVCHD - Move the BDMV, CERTIFICATE, and MAKEMKV files under the AVCHD folder. With the Oppo navigate to the network share (or USB). Select the AVCHD and the title should play. - Rich Rich, unfortunately this would not answer the question of whether or not the dropouts are related to the RMC-1 but potentially answer whether or not it’s a network issue by testing out how a ripped media connected via USB of a streamer would behave the same. If the latter proves to be the case (network related) then we can replicate the issue on a different processor. My gut tells me however that the network is not the bottleneck as we are not hearing of similar problems on other processor forums and the fact that one can stream the 4K video portion without any stutter which is a lot more data intensive than streaming audio. If it is network related then this indeed is a problem as no streaming device is setup for FSP (fiber channel) short of a HTPC.
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 27, 2019 10:50:00 GMT -5
HDfury devices removed. Watched Bumblebee Dolby Vision (HDR), DD True HD/ATMOSÂ OPPO Dolby Vision (HDR), 2160p/24, 12bits no audio drop outs or other sound abnormalities. No: clicks, chirps or screeches. 01:54:00 (hrs:min:sec) OPPO203 ---> RMC-1 ---> LG C8 77" OLED No EDID issues.
---> = HDfury 18GHz 6ft Cbls Are you watching on disc or streaming from a NAS drive? I have watched the same movies as you but streamed on a CAT6 network and I get audio drops every few minutes for 0.5 seconds. Disc only. No streaming. Disc only. 1.3 is a significant improvement. RMC-1 sound quality is truly amazing with disc sources. Watching Jason Bourne 4k hdr now ... DTS:X. New center speaker has just been built and should ship next week.
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Post by SteveH on Apr 27, 2019 11:52:42 GMT -5
I updated the firmware last week. The 'Please Wait' is a very nice feature. I did mistakenly hit the remote's Volume button during 'Please Wait' which confused the RMC-1. Changing the volume made the display go back to normal. It is ironic that the remote response during normal conditions is so 'iffy' yet during 'Please Wait' produces a response.
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 27, 2019 20:33:14 GMT -5
HDfury devices removed.
Watched Overlord 4K Dolby Vision (HDR), DD True HD/ATMOS
OPPO Dolby Vision (HDR), 2160p/24, 12bits
no audio drop outs or other sound abnormalities. No: clicks, chirps or screeches.
01:49:44 (hrs:min:sec)
(disc) OPPO203 ---> RMC-1 ---> LG C8 77" OLED
No EDID issues.
---> = HDfury 18GHz 6ft Cbls
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 27, 2019 20:37:00 GMT -5
HDfury devices removed.
Watched Justice League 4K
Dolby Vision (HDR), DTS HD MA5.1/DTS Neural:X
OPPO Dolby Vision (HDR), 2160p/24, 12bits
no audio drop outs or other sound abnormalities. No: clicks, chirps or screeches.
02:00:02 (hrs:min:sec)
(disc) OPPO203 ---> RMC-1 ---> LG C8 77" OLED
No EDID issues.
---> = HDfury 18GHz 6ft Cbls
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 27, 2019 20:41:51 GMT -5
HDfury devices removed.
Watched Jason Bourne 4K
4K HDR, DTS HD MA/DTS:X
OPPO 4K HDR, 444, 2160p/24, 12bits
no audio drop outs or other sound abnormalities. No: clicks, chirps or screeches.
02:03:09 (hrs:min:sec)
(disc) OPPO203 ---> RMC-1 ---> LG C8 77" OLED
No EDID issues.
---> = HDfury 18GHz 6ft Cbls
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 27, 2019 20:45:14 GMT -5
HDfury devices removed.
Watched Pacific Rim (original one) 4K
4K HDR, Dolby True HD/ATMOS
OPPO 4K HDR, 444, 2160p/24, 12bits
no audio drop outs or other sound abnormalities. No: clicks, chirps or screeches.
02:11:16 (hrs:min:sec)
(disc) OPPO203 ---> RMC-1 ---> LG C8 77" OLED
No EDID issues.
---> = HDfury 18GHz 6ft
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Post by deewan on Apr 27, 2019 22:57:53 GMT -5
With my setup I'm still getting several issues. Many of these have been posted before but the issue remains so I am restating it. I do have the hdmi inputs setup with the proper 1.4 vs 2.0 options. - Subwoofer output is still lost when exiting out of the Speaker Preset menu.
- On Screen Display occasionally disappears from the screen while it continues to display on the OLED screens. When navigating menus, the RMC often forces my JVC to re-sync the hdmi. This creates quite the delay sometimes
- I'd estimate 15-20% of the time I lose audio when changing channels while watching TV. Often audio is lost when switching from 5.1 to 2.0
- After loading my user settings, I discovered my middle overhead speakers were not assigned to an output. Once I turned that option on, it did have my crossover value from my saved user settings.
- I lost audio when using my Mede8er movie streamer. I was watching my second TV episode and skipped forward a track and lost audio. Skipping back a chapter did not restore audio. I had to pause and then play again to restore audio.
- When switching from my Oppo to my Mede8der I got a blue screen for video. Switching inputs and going back to the Mede8er resolved the issue. I had similar issues when switching inputs to my Cable Box. Only when switching to my cable box it took me 3 input switches to get the video to sync. Audio synced each time.
- I have my RMC set to Video on Standby mode. After a long period of the RMC in standby status, it stops passing video and audio. Even after hitting one of the input switching on the remote, seeing the "Please wait" message and see the RMC switch inputs, it does not pass audio or video. If I turn the RMC on and then off again, it will continue to pass both audio and video.
- While using my AppleTV to stream an episode of GOT, I had an audio dropout at the ~49 minute mark
Another thing I'm not sure if it's the .mkv file or the RMC, but I hear what is best described as a static sound from my overhead speakers when a DTS 5.1 MA soundtrack is upmixed to DTS:X. I'm guessing perhaps the overhead channels that are getting an unmixed signal might be getting some static from a decoder issue.... Not sure, but I wanted to point out that I've heard it on a few DTS MA movies now. One last thing from a setup standpoint. I want to point out, going forward I will have two display devices connected at all times, in case that can impact my results compared to single display users. Sometimes in the past in hopes of getting a passed test I would only have one display device plugged in. I think we are past that point now. So please keep two display devices in mind while reading about what I find. Thanks.
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Post by goozoo on Apr 27, 2019 23:35:42 GMT -5
Deewan, I would seriously consider giving the RMC back for a new one or just moving on to another processor. You have been one of the original owners and have really put up with more than most people should for something that should be enjoyed rather than labored. If a new RMC does not work with your setup then I would move on and find a processor that does. I have not had these experiences yet but for me it would have been out of my rack long ago. Hoping that a new RMC resolves your problems.
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Post by deewan on Apr 28, 2019 7:38:14 GMT -5
goozoo, I agree with you for the most part. A couple of my issues should be firmware updates and are things that only happen when I update the firmware. Another is a feature I will never use and I discovered only while testing. So I'm not overly worried about them but I am disappointed. I have directed a question towards Emotiva a while back if the remaining issues could be hardware related since I seem to be the the only one or in a very small group who experience them. Emotiva did not respond. I've already had one RMC replaced and I'm not sure Emotiva's stance on replacing another or if they will suggest waiting on firmware updates for all my issues.
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Post by mick on Apr 28, 2019 8:17:10 GMT -5
goozoo , I agree with you for the most part. A couple of my issues should be firmware updates and are things that only happen when I update the firmware. Another is a feature I will never use and I discovered only while testing. So I'm not overly worried about them but I am disappointed. I have directed a question towards Emotiva a while back if the remaining issues could be hardware related since I seem to be the the only one or in a very small group who experience them. Emotiva did not respond. I've already had one RMC replaced and I'm not sure Emotiva's stance on replacing another or if they will suggest waiting on firmware updates for all my issues. I applaud you for your patients deewan, i have been following your posts for some time. will i or wont i buy a RMC1
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 28, 2019 9:37:53 GMT -5
SACD DSD 1 of 2: OPPO95 is doing D/A Conversion. See 2 of 2 for RMC-1 doing D/A conversion.
Don't play much music, so take this post as just one data point.
Just played Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon, Balanced Inputs, SACD/DSD, Direct and All Stereo. This is the first SACD I've tried ... so your results may vary. Bottom Line: Perfect. No issues. Very Impressed with sound quality for Direct Stereo and All stereo.
1. Skipped around entering tracks to see if any delays or noise ... perfect. 2. Set up HDMI2's audio as balanced inputs (OPPO 95). 3. Tried Direct and All stereo. All Stereo sounded warmer. Direct sounded clearer and more crisp. 4. RMC-1 Remote: Music = Direct, Movie = All Stereo, Input 7 = Balanced In. 5. Did notice when in fast forward, music plays intermittently ... is this normal? Maybe it allows one to pre-scan song in fast forward ... to get to the best part? 6. Set up RMC-1's HDMI2 Input as HDMI 2.0 ... to see if it would work with OPPO95's HDMI1.4a output. No issues.
Rock On!
OPPO95 HDMI1 Out ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector OPPO95 Bal Output L/R ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector
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Post by bitbutcher on Apr 28, 2019 10:28:18 GMT -5
Don't play much music, so take this post as just one data point. Just played Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon, Balanced Inputs, SACD/DSD, Direct and All Stereo. This is the first SACD I've tried ... so your results may vary. Bottom Line: Perfect. No issues. Very Impressed with sound quality for Direct Stereo and All stereo. 1. Skipped around entering tracks to see if any delays or noise ... perfect. 2. Set up HDMI2's audio as balanced inputs (OPPO 95). 3. Tried Direct and All stereo. All Stereo sounded warmer. Direct sounded clearer and more crisp. 4. RMC-1 Remote: Music = Direct, Movie = All Stereo, Input 7 = Balanced In. 5. Did notice when in fast forward, music plays intermittently ... is this normal? Maybe it allows one to pre-scan song in fast forward ... to get to the best part? 6. Set up RMC-1's HDMI2 Input as HDMI 2.0 ... to see if it would work with OPPO95's HDMI1.4a output. No issues. Rock On! OPPO95 HDMI1 Out ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector OPPO95 Bal Output L/R ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector Sounds to me like you are having your Oppo do the Digital to Analog conversion. The issues people have reported are when sending a DSD bitstream to the RMC-1 over HDMI to take advantage of the beefy D/A stage
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 28, 2019 11:49:45 GMT -5
Don't play much music, so take this post as just one data point. Just played Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon, Balanced Inputs, SACD/DSD, Direct and All Stereo. This is the first SACD I've tried ... so your results may vary. Bottom Line: Perfect. No issues. Very Impressed with sound quality for Direct Stereo and All stereo. 1. Skipped around entering tracks to see if any delays or noise ... perfect. 2. Set up HDMI2's audio as balanced inputs (OPPO 95). 3. Tried Direct and All stereo. All Stereo sounded warmer. Direct sounded clearer and more crisp. 4. RMC-1 Remote: Music = Direct, Movie = All Stereo, Input 7 = Balanced In. 5. Did notice when in fast forward, music plays intermittently ... is this normal? Maybe it allows one to pre-scan song in fast forward ... to get to the best part? 6. Set up RMC-1's HDMI2 Input as HDMI 2.0 ... to see if it would work with OPPO95's HDMI1.4a output. No issues. Rock On! OPPO95 HDMI1 Out ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector OPPO95 Bal Output L/R ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector Sounds to me like you are having your Oppo do the Digital to Analog conversion. The issues people have reported are when sending a DSD bitstream to the RMC-1 over HDMI to take advantage of the beefy D/A stage Ah, I see what you mean. Ok. I'll send it out digital via HDMI bitstream ... then let RMC-1 do D/A conversion. That I know how to do. Thx.
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Post by lukewayne on Apr 28, 2019 12:04:49 GMT -5
I got my RMC-1 on the first preorder batch. I haven't had much time with it until recently, but this weekend I got to spend a little time with it.
I just performed the 1.3 firmware update, and did a factory reset.
I was trying to do an A/B comparison between video on 3 different sources. HDMI 2 (Xbox One X Netflix) HDMI 4 (Chromecast 4k Netflix) Hdmi 5 (Macbook Pro Quicktime file)
At some point the OSD changed from having a Gray background to a GREEN background on HDMI 2 and HDMI 4, but not on HDMI 5, the video on HDMI 2 and 4 at this point the color on HDMI 2 and 4 looked really bad, but HDMI 5 remained normal. Fixed by soft reboot. ... This is something that shouldn't happen.
I'm stunned at how SLOW the RMC-1 responds to any user input, but especially to ANYTHING HDMI related! Considering that this thing is based entirely in HDMI, it should be able to handle simple HDMI operations. Also if a device isn't on, or for example the Macbook has gone into standby mode, when switching to an input, the RMC-1 goes into a tailspin and can't figure out what to do.
It's nice that the PLEASE WAIT prompt was added in the most recent update, but it SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY!
The RMC-1 has also locked up multiple times when just trying to use it or configure it, or configure different devices connected to it. Sometimes needing a HARD RESET.
I really want the RMC-1 to work for me. On paper it is nearly exactly what I was looking for in a processor. The only thing it doesn't have on paper would be some of the smart-home/streaming features found on other processors (airplay target, app configuration, etc). BUT after trying to use it this weekend to do a simple A/B between connected devices, I nearly ripped it out of the rack.
Pressing questions:
1. Does the RMC-1 ever have a chance of operating at an acceptable speed? or is its internal cpu so overloaded that it will always be laggy and feel like using a 10 year old computer? (Agonizingly long boot time, please wait screens, long waits to change inputs, or settings, etc)
2. How long before the Dirac Live gets added?
3. How long before expansion modules are available?
Suggestions:
1. Add a setting for each input that tells the RMC that the connected device won't be changed so it can save the connection settings. E.g. My Oppo, Xbox, Projector, Media PC will, now that they are installed, be connected to the same input for years. They will always be sending the same resolution. the RMC shouldn't have to have a long conversation to figure out what is connected and what is happening every single time I switch inputs. Just remember the connected device, and enable it.
2. Figure out what's bogging the entire system down and fix it, even if its a hardware fix that requires a recall. This $5k processor's user experience is a joke compared to my 2008 Sony receiver.
3. Fix the boot up time. Without turning on the always on video standby feature, a surround processor shouldn't take minutes to turn on. The long boot up time combined with the HDMI handshake issues makes using a universal remote impossible. E.g. Using a Logitech Harmony Elite activity to "Watch a Blu-ray" Would have to have these commands to have a chance at working:
1-Turn on projector. 2-Turn on Blu-ray player. 3-Wait two minutes. 4-Turn on RMC-1. 5-Wait 4 minutes. 6-Select input HDMI-1
These long wait periods just aren't acceptable. Consumer electronics shouldn't require so much coddling.
4. Add a profile to Logitech Harmony database. The RMC-1 is supposed to be a flagship product. We shouldn't have to tell other devices we're using an XMC-1
5. Make real control app. The XMC-1 remote control app is hit or miss if it works, and is downright clunky.
I really don't want to, but I'm being forced to consider returning my RMC-1. It's taken me 2 years to build this home theater, and I want to be able to enjoy it, not cringe everytime I try to use it. Reading the update page on the 1.3 firmware makes it sound like everything is smooth, but I for one feel there is still A LOT of work to be done.
-Luke
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 28, 2019 16:45:17 GMT -5
SACD DSD Post 2 of 2:
Tried SACD DSD digital audio output through HDMI1 on the oppo95. OPPO95 setup to bitstream and DVD-Audio.
Not sure if it's a correct setup because: 1. During play back, RMC-1 Info had audio as PCM 2.0, 88.2kHz, 24bit. 2. During play back, OPPO has output as SACD PCM (not DSD ... not sure why).
If this is correct setup, then everything worked the same as before. No issues.
NOTE: Added an HDfury EDID Stabilizer between OPPO95 and RMC-1 ... due to all the reports of SACD having audio "thumps". No sense in trying SACD without an EDID stabilizer. See Config below.
Config: OPPO95 HDMI1 Out ---> HDfury Dr. HDMI 1.4x (Setting 2, Full HD no 3D) ---> RMC-1 ---> 4K TV and 4K Projector
NOTE: 1. The HDfury EDID Stabilizer is the old Dr. HDMI product from HDfury. It's HDMI 1.4x compliant (not sure if a or b). 2. Tried to get SACD DSD digital audio out through an Optical connection ... could not get it to work, period. Only HDMI worked.
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 28, 2019 20:04:56 GMT -5
HDfury devices removed.
Watched Hitman Agent 47 4K
4K HDR, DTS HD MA7.1/DTS_Neural:X
OPPO 4K HDR, 444, 2160p/24, 12bits
no audio drop outs or other sound abnormalities. No: clicks, chirps or screeches.
01:36:16 (hrs:min:sec)
(disc) OPPO203 ---> RMC-1 ---> LG C8 77" OLED
No EDID issues.
---> = HDfury 18GHz 6ft Cbls
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Post by TDifEQ on Apr 28, 2019 20:08:54 GMT -5
Yes, putting fresh batteries into RMC-1's remote significantly helps lag issues when leveling.
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Post by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2019 21:28:28 GMT -5
Has anyone successfully imported filters made with REW?
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