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Post by SOWK on Feb 21, 2020 13:50:30 GMT -5
Quick update. 1.8 is in the hands of the beta testers and I'm thrilled to say that the feedback has been very positive. I'm reluctant to release it on a Friday for no other reason then I would like the beta guys to have a few more days with it. But I plan on cutting it loose on Monday. Thanks you all for your patience and feedback. Lonnie Any luck the Nasty SUPER LOUD digital noise when the RMC-1 doesn't understand the bitstram or doesn't sync properly is a dead issue now? Or can it still happen?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 14:04:20 GMT -5
Quick update. 1.8 is in the hands of the beta testers and I'm thrilled to say that the feedback has been very positive. I'm reluctant to release it on a Friday for no other reason then I would like the beta guys to have a few more days with it. But I plan on cutting it loose on Monday. Thanks you all for your patience and feedback. Lonnie ... you've released several firmware updates on Fridays . It always surprized me that you did it then - precisely because there would be no support over the weekend . Mondays do make much better sense .
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Post by klinemj on Feb 21, 2020 19:16:31 GMT -5
Quick update. 1.8 is in the hands of the beta testers and I'm thrilled to say that the feedback has been very positive. I'm reluctant to release it on a Friday for no other reason then I would like the beta guys to have a few more days with it. But I plan on cutting it loose on Monday. Thanks you all for your patience and feedback. Lonnie Hi Lonnie, Is it possible to get a list of improvements in that release so I can have something to call into work about ? I'm not an Emotiva employee, but I have heard from good sources that it evens out variations in Flux Capacitor outputs and that this results in fewer HDMI-related conflicts with the Flux Capacitor and more stable HDMI locks. But, I could be wrong. Mark
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Post by megash0n on Feb 21, 2020 20:01:55 GMT -5
Quick update. 1.8 is in the hands of the beta testers and I'm thrilled to say that the feedback has been very positive. I'm reluctant to release it on a Friday for no other reason then I would like the beta guys to have a few more days with it. But I plan on cutting it loose on Monday. Thanks you all for your patience and feedback. Lonnie awesome news. Really looking forward to seeing what is improved.
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Post by marcl on Feb 22, 2020 3:05:39 GMT -5
Could someone please give me some advice about REW calibration for centre, surround, atmos I loaded the Emotiva Mic calibration files that were kindly provided and with the guidance of the recent youtube video someone on here linked. I also loaded a Hauser Curve. I have managed to adjust the equalization of my front stereo speakers ( Monitor Audio PL300) and it has greatly improved the sound. I was very happy as I previously I have been overwhelmed with the REW program and most tuition videos are aimed at people who know basically what they're doing. This was my first proper attempt and despite the great improvement I have a few questions ti be answered if someone can kindly do so. I have a ASUS laptop running Windows 10 1. When calibrating the room eq for example on PRESET 2. Do I have to manually set the speaker distances ,and levels within the RMC-1 prior to calibration? 2. The Rew program only has LEFT ,RIGHT or LEFT + RIGHT. Should I calibrate my Left and Right speakers individually or as a pair? 3. How do I calibrate my Centre , surround and atmos speakers? 4.If I calibrate my sub, do I need to unplug my other speakers? 5. Is there a separate curve I should download for centre ,surround atmos and sub different to the mains? I apologise if these questions seem silly. I was just hoping to wait for DIRAC , but reading these posts it doesn;t look very hopeful for now. Having said that I reaLly love my RMC-1 despite its quirks. My equipment is as follows 1. Processor - Emotiva RMC-1 2. Amp 1. Emotiva Gen3 DR3 for fronts and centre 3. Amp 2 Emotiva Gen 3 6 Channel for Sides, Front and Centre Atmos 4. Speakers. Monitor Audio PL300 Fronts, Monitor Audio PLC350 Centre, Monitor Audio GXFX Sides, Monitor Audio PL215 Sub, SVS prime Elevation for front & centre atmos 5. Source..Oppo UDP205 , Zappiti 4k HDR Pro , PS4, Asus Laptop with Audirvarna connected with USB to Oppo. Thanks Guys. Any help is appreciated. I'm seeing this a couple months down the road so maybe you have solved this, but here are some suggestions. First, get the tutorial by AustinJerry www.minidsp.com/support/community-powered-tutorials/295-minidsp-tutorials-by-austinjerryIt will explain how to set up REW to take multichannel measurements. You'll have to connect your laptop with HDMI to the RMC-1. REW will then let you select all the surround channels individually. Measure each channel individually. Then for each one use the Equalizer feature in REW and select XMC-1 as the device (it works for XMC-2 and RMC-1 also). You can then configure the Equalizer to create the filters for you, save the files to a USB drive, and then import them to the RMC-1. I highly recommend getting a UMIK-1 microphone from miniDSP with its own calibration file. Most have found it does a much better job than the mic provided by Emotiva. You do need to set the distances in the RMC-1 manually.
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Post by cwt on Feb 22, 2020 3:25:48 GMT -5
but I have heard from good sources that it evens out variations in Flux Capacitor outputs and that this results in fewer HDMI-related conflicts with the Flux Capacitor and more stable HDMI locks. But, I could be wrong. Mark Aah that finally explains the RMC1's origins thanking you
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Post by cwt on Feb 22, 2020 5:20:25 GMT -5
To give an example from yesterday, I was listening to a new SACD I bought. I was changing from the CD layer, to the SACD stereo layer, to the 4 channel SACD layer. I had to make temporary changes to both the oppo205, and the RMC-1L to do an effective test; changing SACD player priorities, and RMC mode priorities. The Rmc-1L stopped delivering sound in the middle of the test, and all the switching. The RMC was also changing Speaker Presets when I made other changes. I had to reboot to continue. The RMC doesn't like making a lot of changes. Since I don't use many sources, this kind of problem has little effect on my normal use of the processor. But it does for some, and this is the kind of problem that needs to be fixed first. Engine first. Chrome trim second. Agree on those priorities and it follows this needs attention followed by dirac natch . On the upmixing side I listen to Floyd e Toole [coincidentally another rather well known luminary you will be familiar with and even see printed on his avatar ]so its a fundamental issue to some [certainly not all as you say] that 2ch is a poor substitute for multichannel sound .. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/norms-and-standards-for-discourse-on-asr.8212/post-213915Anyway what we all want is for 1.8 to be a success which is the main objective
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Post by PaulBe on Feb 22, 2020 8:31:21 GMT -5
To give an example from yesterday, I was listening to a new SACD I bought. I was changing from the CD layer, to the SACD stereo layer, to the 4 channel SACD layer. I had to make temporary changes to both the oppo205, and the RMC-1L to do an effective test; changing SACD player priorities, and RMC mode priorities. The Rmc-1L stopped delivering sound in the middle of the test, and all the switching. The RMC was also changing Speaker Presets when I made other changes. I had to reboot to continue. The RMC doesn't like making a lot of changes. Since I don't use many sources, this kind of problem has little effect on my normal use of the processor. But it does for some, and this is the kind of problem that needs to be fixed first. Engine first. Chrome trim second. Agree on those priorities and it follows this needs attention followed by dirac natch . On the upmixing side I listen to Floyd e Toole [coincidentally another rather well known luminary you will be familiar with and even see printed on his avatar ]so its a fundamental issue to some [certainly not all as you say] that 2ch is a poor substitute for multichannel sound .. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/norms-and-standards-for-discourse-on-asr.8212/post-213915Anyway what we all want is for 1.8 to be a success which is the main objective Considering the intent of this forum first, I'll start with this part of your comment: "Anyway what we all want is for 1.8 to be a success which is the main objective". Agreed. People should read Mr. Toole's whole post that CWT linked. And, Mr. Toole greatly expands on this in chapter 7 of his book - Sound Reproduction, third edition, Above the Transition Frequency; Acoustical Events and Perceptions. An interesting quote from chapter 7, page 165, is, "... if the two-channel original is upmixed for multichannel playback, the center channel loudspeaker will not be flattered by the unnatural signal it is supplied with". More of Toole's words, from CWT's linked post: "Fortunately the adaptive human brain is a willing participant and we manage to find pleasure in the simplistic sounds that are delivered. So, listeners at best are able to offer opinions of "preference" of one compromise over others." "The adaptive human brain is a" more "willing participant", the greater the listener's attention to emotional and financial investment supersedes his intellectually honest objectivity. I agree with Toole's post comments about "Relatively constant directivity above the transition frequency", and, "one could argue that reduced indirect sound is desirable" when "we consider multichannel originals or upmixed stereo as a desirable basis". And his last comment - "Nice to be back to a rational discussion". I will see if Dirac is able to do much above the Schroeder/Transition Frequency; which is about 125hz or 250hz in my room, depending on which constant is used. Good or bad correction below the transition will affect perception above the transition. I would rather adapt to good correction.
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Post by kahodges1721 on Feb 22, 2020 9:04:53 GMT -5
Hey does anyone use the rmc-1 or Xmc2 with a HTPC? I connected my HTPC through it and I am stuck at 1080p resolution. Tried switching the HDMI version etc but I can’t get it to recognize its connected to a 4K tv. It’s weird since when I change nothing on the computer or tv and plug directly into the tv the tv switches to 4K immediately. Plug back into the Xmc2 and boom only 1080p.
Anyone else experience this. There has to be something I am missing but I just can’t seem to locate anything that will help.
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Post by TDifEQ on Feb 22, 2020 9:07:47 GMT -5
Quick update. 1.8 is in the hands of the beta testers and I'm thrilled to say that the feedback has been very positive. I'm reluctant to release it on a Friday for no other reason then I would like the beta guys to have a few more days with it. But I plan on cutting it loose on Monday. Thanks you all for your patience and feedback. Lonnie Any luck the Nasty SUPER LOUD digital noise when the RMC-1 doesn't understand the bitstram or doesn't sync properly is a dead issue now? Or can it still happen? Everyone that has experienced "loud noises" should call EMO multiple times to get this issue on their radar. I've called 3 times ... EMO says they have not seen this issue. Posts do not work. "Loud Noises" is a stability issue. 1.8 will be judged accordingly. Better to delay 1.8 in order to fix "loud noises".
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Post by PaulBe on Feb 22, 2020 9:51:56 GMT -5
Any luck the Nasty SUPER LOUD digital noise when the RMC-1 doesn't understand the bitstram or doesn't sync properly is a dead issue now? Or can it still happen? Everyone that has experienced "loud noises" should call EMO multiple times to get this issue on their radar. I've called 3 times ... EMO says they have not seen this issue. Posts do not work. "Loud Noises" is a stability issue. 1.8 will be judged accordingly. Better to delay 1.8 in order to fix "loud noises". This happened to me once. I do get an occasional bleed through from a radio station which is volume control dependent. It lasts for about one second. I noticed it only when the system is idle. I recently put a terminator on the FM radio F connector to see if it would help. No radio bleed through since, but It's been only about a week.
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Post by ttocs on Feb 22, 2020 9:54:15 GMT -5
Any luck the Nasty SUPER LOUD digital noise when the RMC-1 doesn't understand the bitstram or doesn't sync properly is a dead issue now? Or can it still happen? Everyone that has experienced "loud noises" should call EMO multiple times to get this issue on their radar. I've called 3 times ... EMO says they have not seen this issue. Posts do not work. "Loud Noises" is a stability issue. 1.8 will be judged accordingly. Better to delay 1.8 in order to fix "loud noises". It would be very helpful for those of you who have experienced the Loud Noise problem to list your equipment in your signature and exactly which speakers and modes have produced the Loud Noise. That way it is in every post you've made as opposed to trying to search for an individual post where you may have listed your equipment.
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Post by megash0n on Feb 22, 2020 10:15:26 GMT -5
Hey does anyone use the rmc-1 or Xmc2 with a HTPC? I connected my HTPC through it and I am stuck at 1080p resolution. Tried switching the HDMI version etc but I can’t get it to recognize its connected to a 4K tv. It’s weird since when I change nothing on the computer or tv and plug directly into the tv the tv switches to 4K immediately. Plug back into the Xmc2 and boom only 1080p. Anyone else experience this. There has to be something I am missing but I just can’t seem to locate anything that will help. I use one with an AMD RX 480 video card. I've had no issues so far. Since it is pass through, it should look as if the TV is directly plugged in. Are you using HDMI Out 1 on the RMC? Will the computer allow you to change to 4k once it changes to 1080? I have my refresh rate at 23Hz all the time, but I highly doubt this will matter. It is possible that it is picking up slightly different EIDI numbers thus thinking it is a different monitor. If your refresh rate is 60Hz, try changing to 23 or 24 and see what that does. Depending on your configuration, you may be forcing 4:4:4 color, and the only way to get that is to change the resolution to 1080p. If this makes any sense at all. If you know what I'm talking about, then you'll know different ways to troubleshoot it. If not, it may be way too difficult to explain in writing.
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Post by bblv on Feb 22, 2020 10:30:26 GMT -5
Everyone that has experienced "loud noises" should call EMO multiple times to get this issue on their radar. I've called 3 times ... EMO says they have not seen this issue. Posts do not work. "Loud Noises" is a stability issue. 1.8 will be judged accordingly. Better to delay 1.8 in order to fix "loud noises". It would be very helpful for those of you who have experienced the Loud Noise problem to list your equipment in your signature and exactly which speakers and modes have produced the Loud Noise. That way it is in every post you've made as opposed to trying to search for an individual post where you may have listed your equipment. Would also be helpful to list signal type/mode that was playing when the loud noises occurred.
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Post by kahodges1721 on Feb 22, 2020 13:01:16 GMT -5
Hey does anyone use the rmc-1 or Xmc2 with a HTPC? I connected my HTPC through it and I am stuck at 1080p resolution. Tried switching the HDMI version etc but I can’t get it to recognize its connected to a 4K tv. It’s weird since when I change nothing on the computer or tv and plug directly into the tv the tv switches to 4K immediately. Plug back into the Xmc2 and boom only 1080p. Anyone else experience this. There has to be something I am missing but I just can’t seem to locate anything that will help. I use one with an AMD RX 480 video card. I've had no issues so far. Since it is pass through, it should look as if the TV is directly plugged in. Are you using HDMI Out 1 on the RMC? Will the computer allow you to change to 4k once it changes to 1080? I have my refresh rate at 23Hz all the time, but I highly doubt this will matter. It is possible that it is picking up slightly different EIDI numbers thus thinking it is a different monitor. If your refresh rate is 60Hz, try changing to 23 or 24 and see what that does. Depending on your configuration, you may be forcing 4:4:4 color, and the only way to get that is to change the resolution to 1080p. If this makes any sense at all. If you know what I'm talking about, then you'll know different ways to troubleshoot it. If not, it may be way too difficult to explain in writing. Nope what you said makes sense and basically what I tried before posting. I made sure the color was not 4:4:4 etc. I made a forced resolution of 4K and it took but receiver still shows 1080p 60hz. I just took back my 82” Samsung Q70R so I’m using a Vizio quantum x 65” for temporary tv until I decide which new set meets my requirements the best. Could definitely be the tv also but it’s odd that changing nothing and bypassing the Xmc2 works fine. Not blaming the Xmc2 or anything just wanted to see if anyone else had any issues.
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Post by TDifEQ on Feb 22, 2020 13:55:15 GMT -5
Everyone that has experienced "loud noises" should call EMO multiple times to get this issue on their radar. I've called 3 times ... EMO says they have not seen this issue. Posts do not work. "Loud Noises" is a stability issue. 1.8 will be judged accordingly. Better to delay 1.8 in order to fix "loud noises". It would be very helpful for those of you who have experienced the Loud Noise problem to list your equipment in your signature and exactly which speakers and modes have produced the Loud Noise. That way it is in every post you've made as opposed to trying to search for an individual post where you may have listed your equipment. OK ... still, EMO only acknowledges and acts upon input from phone calls ... NOT posts. Last time I called, I talked to a developer. Development wanted to know what was the sound format during and before "loud noises". There are at least 3 owners that have posted about "loud noises" recentlY. Pls call EMO if you have experienced loud noises and talk to development.
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Post by ttocs on Feb 22, 2020 14:53:16 GMT -5
It would be very helpful for those of you who have experienced the Loud Noise problem to list your equipment in your signature and exactly which speakers and modes have produced the Loud Noise. That way it is in every post you've made as opposed to trying to search for an individual post where you may have listed your equipment. OK ... still, EMO only acknowledges and acts upon input from phone calls ... NOT posts. Last time I called, I talked to a developer. Development wanted to know what was the sound format during and before "loud noises". There are at least 3 owners that have posted about "loud noises" recentlY. Pls call EMO if you have experienced loud noises and talk to development. I will definitely call and email if I have the issue!! I will also post like you have so others can benefit, just as others can benefit from your experience. I can also guarantee that the conditions will be in my signature until resolved so the info is readily available to all, same as when we were all trying to diagnose issues with the V3 board install in the XMC-1. I'd also like to know exactly what the conditions are that incur the fault. My XMC-2 arrives today and I plan to begin slowly and only connect the lessor expensive speakers. I'd like your assistance in actually trying to see if I can make the loud sounds happen on purpose instead of coming across them by accident when my $$$$$ speakers are attached. Questions I have: Does it happen only upon first boot of a session? or can it happen at anytime, randomly? Does it ever happen with no source connected? Does it happen while streaming? playing a music disc? playing a blu-ray disc? Does the loud noise happen in modes using subwoofers? How about modes using no subwoofers? How about Reference Stereo mode? or, does it only happen with some Surround modes. As Tom Cruise famously said to Cuba Gooding Jr: "Help me, help you". As I'm writing this, UPS just showed up with a Emotiva box that I'll be experimenting with later this afternoon. Attachments:
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Post by megash0n on Feb 22, 2020 18:24:52 GMT -5
I use one with an AMD RX 480 video card. I've had no issues so far. Since it is pass through, it should look as if the TV is directly plugged in. Are you using HDMI Out 1 on the RMC? Will the computer allow you to change to 4k once it changes to 1080? I have my refresh rate at 23Hz all the time, but I highly doubt this will matter. It is possible that it is picking up slightly different EIDI numbers thus thinking it is a different monitor. If your refresh rate is 60Hz, try changing to 23 or 24 and see what that does. Depending on your configuration, you may be forcing 4:4:4 color, and the only way to get that is to change the resolution to 1080p. If this makes any sense at all. If you know what I'm talking about, then you'll know different ways to troubleshoot it. If not, it may be way too difficult to explain in writing. Nope what you said makes sense and basically what I tried before posting. I made sure the color was not 4:4:4 etc. I made a forced resolution of 4K and it took but receiver still shows 1080p 60hz. I just took back my 82” Samsung Q70R so I’m using a Vizio quantum x 65” for temporary tv until I decide which new set meets my requirements the best. Could definitely be the tv also but it’s odd that changing nothing and bypassing the Xmc2 works fine. Not blaming the Xmc2 or anything just wanted to see if anyone else had any issues. For giggles... Unplug the HDMI cable and plug it back in to see what happens. I have seen a time or two that mine also gets stuck on 1080p, but it is normal at a time the processor is locked up or about to. Anytime I switch inputs, I have to do this or change inputs on my TV. There is definitely some error handling code still needed
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Post by kahodges1721 on Feb 22, 2020 18:50:11 GMT -5
Nope what you said makes sense and basically what I tried before posting. I made sure the color was not 4:4:4 etc. I made a forced resolution of 4K and it took but receiver still shows 1080p 60hz. I just took back my 82” Samsung Q70R so I’m using a Vizio quantum x 65” for temporary tv until I decide which new set meets my requirements the best. Could definitely be the tv also but it’s odd that changing nothing and bypassing the Xmc2 works fine. Not blaming the Xmc2 or anything just wanted to see if anyone else had any issues. For giggles... Unplug the HDMI cable and plug it back in to see what happens. I have seen a time or two that mine also gets stuck on 1080p, but it is normal at a time the processor is locked up or about to. Anytime I switch inputs, I have to do this or change inputs on my TV. There is definitely some error handling code still needed I actually ended up getting it to work. Basically I swapped the output from the arc (HDMI 2) to HDMI 1. Still didn’t work. Swapped it back and it started working. It’s weird and I expect the issue to come back but for now at least it’s displaying correctly. That said I am having some very strange things occurring such as audio only coming from half my speakers etc when using and surround mode. Only get all speakers when playing all stereo. Changed in windows from atmos to 7.1 to stereo and same result. Super weird. I’ve had this device for a few months and it has been fairly solid except arc not working at all and things like that but this is all new for me. I do remember others complaining about it. Good thing the new update is due Monday
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Post by TDifEQ on Feb 22, 2020 19:18:02 GMT -5
OK ... still, EMO only acknowledges and acts upon input from phone calls ... NOT posts. Last time I called, I talked to a developer. Development wanted to know what was the sound format during and before "loud noises". There are at least 3 owners that have posted about "loud noises" recentlY. Pls call EMO if you have experienced loud noises and talk to development. I will definitely call and email if I have the issue!! I will also post like you have so others can benefit, just as others can benefit from your experience. I can also guarantee that the conditions will be in my signature until resolved so the info is readily available to all, same as when we were all trying to diagnose issues with the V3 board install in the XMC-1. I'd also like to know exactly what the conditions are that incur the fault. My XMC-2 arrives today and I plan to begin slowly and only connect the lessor expensive speakers. I'd like your assistance in actually trying to see if I can make the loud sounds happen on purpose instead of coming across them by accident when my $$$$$ speakers are attached. Questions I have: Does it happen only upon first boot of a session? or can it happen at anytime, randomly? Does it ever happen with no source connected? Does it happen while streaming? playing a music disc? playing a blu-ray disc? Does the loud noise happen in modes using subwoofers? How about modes using no subwoofers? How about Reference Stereo mode? or, does it only happen with some Surround modes. As Tom Cruise famously said to Cuba Gooding Jr: "Help me, help you". As I'm writing this, UPS just showed up with a Emotiva box that I'll be experimenting with later this afternoon. Always upon power up ... from low power stnby. Never random. Frequency: every 2 mo. prior to 1.7.6. @ 1.7.6, every 3 to 4 weeks. Every 2 mo's with disc OPPO203 movies ... only OPPO connected. Rarely use streaming ... does not happen while streaming. Rarely use music ... does not happen while playing music. Surround modes: happens while playing disc movies. Did not notice which sur mode. Will chk. Sound format: did not notice before or during noise. Will chk. Don't use ref or stereo modes. No sub modes: will chk.
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