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Post by gus4emo on Dec 27, 2018 21:08:42 GMT -5
I don't own Klipsch, but if you want it loud with low power amps, go for it all around.....
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Post by pknaz on Dec 27, 2018 22:41:28 GMT -5
If you're interested in DIY, along with DIYSoundgroup.com, check out meniscus audio, and parts-express for some of their kits. The kits on meniscus, and some of the kits on parts-express are peer reviewed in the DIY community. The guys here are pretty cool guys: www.midwestaudioclub.com/and this facebook group has some of the worlds leading speaker designers that hang out and join in on the conversation: www.facebook.com/groups/DIYLoudspeakerProjecPad/If you're good with woodworking (The hardest part of building your own speakers) you can get crazy good speakers for a fraction of the price of a commercially available speaker. I agree with most everyone who's mentioned it, speakers are a very personal choice and their sound is subjective based on a number of criteria. Room treatments should be in your budget. These can also be DIY, take a bit of time and read up on room acoustics, you'll thank me later  |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 28, 2018 2:22:15 GMT -5
As far as the Emotiva Speakers go, it would be nice to listen to them before buying. Given where I live that is likely not going to happen. I've listened to the T2 speakers. A few things stood out for me. 1. These were really good speakers. It's definitely in the top range of speakers I'd heard with a nice holographic type of soundstage. 2. They reached very low. 4. They were quite small, much smaller than the photos will have you think. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Dec 28, 2018 4:35:28 GMT -5
...They were quite small, much smaller than the photos will have you think. I have an illogical belief that tweeters should be ear level (when seated) so I have always been a stand mount guy. My belief was proven wrong when I had Vandersteen speakers which offered a great sense of height in music but have been back in stand mounts for a few years. |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 28, 2018 8:38:28 GMT -5
I have an illogical belief that tweeters should be ear level (when seated) so I have always been a stand mount guy. My belief was proven wrong when I had Vandersteen speakers which offered a great sense of height in music but have been back in stand mounts for a few years. Not a bad rule of thumb at all to go by. Despersion characteristics between tweeters vary greatly, and so can those ear level results.....some much more impactful than others. Bill |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 28, 2018 12:32:26 GMT -5
He has plans - but also publishes lots of test reports on individual drivers.
I should note that, while I absolutely agree that you can build some excellent speakers, and sometimes at reasonable costs.... And that is particularly true if you like nice wood cabinets and are good at woodworking.... You should do a bit of homework before making assumptions....
For a commercial manufacturer, high quality wood and woodworking labor are very expensive, which makes real wood cabinets pricey. Therefore, if you provide the labor, you're obviously going to be very competitive with any commercial manufacturer.
The catch is that manufacturers pay FAR less for good quality drivers and crossover components in quantity than you will pay retail. For example, if you wanted to build your own pair of T2's, and you prefer real wood or veneer to basic black, you most certainly could build fancier cabinets. However, you would almost certainly find that a full set of drivers and crossover components, comparable to the ones we use, would cost you more at retail prices than we charge for the completed speakers. (And we have the option of having parts custom manufactured to our specifications - which you don't.)
If you're interested in DIY, along with DIYSoundgroup.com, check out meniscus audio, and parts-express for some of their kits. The kits on meniscus, and some of the kits on parts-express are peer reviewed in the DIY community. The guys here are pretty cool guys: www.midwestaudioclub.com/and this facebook group has some of the worlds leading speaker designers that hang out and join in on the conversation: www.facebook.com/groups/DIYLoudspeakerProjecPad/If you're good with woodworking (The hardest part of building your own speakers) you can get crazy good speakers for a fraction of the price of a commercially available speaker. I agree with most everyone who's mentioned it, speakers are a very personal choice and their sound is subjective based on a number of criteria. Room treatments should be in your budget. These can also be DIY, take a bit of time and read up on room acoustics, you'll thank me later |
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Post by tchaik on Dec 28, 2018 13:41:28 GMT -5
He has plans - but also publishes lots of test reports on individual drivers. I should note that, while I absolutely agree that you can build some excellent speakers, and sometimes at reasonable costs.... And that is particularly true if you like nice wood cabinets and are good at woodworking.... You should do a bit of homework before making assumptions....
For a commercial manufacturer, high quality wood and woodworking labor are very expensive, which makes real wood cabinets pricey. Therefore, if you provide the labor, you're obviously going to be very competitive with any commercial manufacturer.
The catch is that manufacturers pay FAR less for good quality drivers and crossover components in quantity than you will pay retail. For example, if you wanted to build your own pair of T2's, and you prefer real wood or veneer to basic black, you most certainly could build fancier cabinets. However, you would almost certainly find that a full set of drivers and crossover components, comparable to the ones we use, would cost you more at retail prices than we charge for the completed speakers. (And we have the option of having parts custom manufactured to our specifications - which you don't.)
If you're interested in DIY, along with DIYSoundgroup.com, check out meniscus audio, and parts-express for some of their kits. The kits on meniscus, and some of the kits on parts-express are peer reviewed in the DIY community. The guys here are pretty cool guys: www.midwestaudioclub.com/and this facebook group has some of the worlds leading speaker designers that hang out and join in on the conversation: www.facebook.com/groups/DIYLoudspeakerProjecPad/If you're good with woodworking (The hardest part of building your own speakers) you can get crazy good speakers for a fraction of the price of a commercially available speaker. I agree with most everyone who's mentioned it, speakers are a very personal choice and their sound is subjective based on a number of criteria. Room treatments should be in your budget. These can also be DIY, take a bit of time and read up on room acoustics, you'll thank me later as a DIYer, I totally agree with Keith. the cost of good quality drivers is significantly more for the do-it-your-selfer than for the company that buys in bulk. the design companies make are fully integrated top to bottom from the drivers to the cabinet shape, size, density, xover and any other assorted issues related to good speaker building. so why DIY? for the love of the craft; for shapes and sizes that fit the home and decor; to create beautiful wood structures that match your furniture; to make the wife happy; to irritate the wife......... you get the idea... for me... it all started when I went back to school for my Ph.D and had to sell off all my high priced high end equipment back in 1987. I began with a set of drivers, 2 woofers, 2 tweeters and xover parts for less than 80 bucks and haven't stopped since. here is a pic of my latest setup that matches all the wood furniture in our house, although the design is not mine. my wife agreed to the size because it just looks like more cabinetry. tchaik  hope this motivates you...... |
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Post by joeh on Dec 28, 2018 20:19:59 GMT -5
As far as my budget goes, I cannot afford speakers that are 5000 per pair. But that leaves a lot of head room to deal with. And everybody who has suggested that I need to listen to a set of speakers before buying is absolutely correct. At this time I am trying to get an idea of what I might want to listen to that are priced reasonably. I would love to build my own but I do not have that proper saws to do that so that is probably out of the question. The suggestion of maggies is an interesting one and look forward to listening to them. Unfortunately, the ones suggested are not available in my local area.
I have listened to high end audio and I was blown away by the quality. The problem, I cannot afford to pay $50,000 per speaker. But I was very impressed.
Thanks for all of the suggestions.
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Post by joeh on Jan 15, 2019 20:08:55 GMT -5
Ok, I have demoed several speakers. The Klipsch speakers are out. Their midrange and tweeter sound like somebody has cupped their hands around their mouth when speaking. I also listened to B&W but the center channel sound sounded like it was coming from a box. When listening to the B&W I had them switch over to a speaker with the tweeter mounted on the top and that improved the sound significantly. But the center was still the problem. And to solve that problem would elevate the cost beyond what I can afford. Sonus speakers are also out. Sound was to boxy. Next up was the Magnepans. I listened to the MMG's. Sound was very transparent but the amplifier was not set properly to handle them in HT mode. The only two speaker lines that I now considering are the Magnepans and Emotiva. But I would sure love the hearing the Emotiva's first. I listened to a set of Martin Logans which had a similar design to the Emotiva's and sounded very good to me.
My budget is about $3000.
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Post by teaman on Jan 15, 2019 20:30:38 GMT -5
Ok, I have demoed several speakers. The Klipsch speakers are out. Their midrange and tweeter sound like somebody has cupped their hands around their mouth when speaking. I also listened to B&W but the center channel sound sounded like it was coming from a box. When listening to the B&W I had them switch over to a speaker with the tweeter mounted on the top and that improved the sound significantly. But the center was still the problem. And to solve that problem would elevate the cost beyond what I can afford. Sonus speakers are also out. Sound was to boxy. Next up was the Magnepans. I listened to the MMG's. Sound was very transparent but the amplifier was not set properly to handle them in HT mode. The only two speaker lines that I now considering are the Magnepans and Emotiva. But I would sure love the hearing the Emotiva's first. I listened to a set of Martin Logans which had a similar design to the Emotiva's and sounded very good to me. My budget is about $3000. What Klipsch speakers did you hear that sounded bad? With a $3k budget I can't imagine. Same goes for B&W. Sounds like you visited Best Buy |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 15, 2019 20:43:18 GMT -5
As far as the Emotiva Speakers go, it would be nice to listen to them before buying. Given where I live that is likely not going to happen. I'll second the point about budget, but I will also add...the Emotiva T2's for FR/FL are some of the only speakers I'd look at to replace my Maggies. But, I have no plan to replace my Maggies. The only drawback of Maggies for home theater is that they are very tall. So, if you have a very large screen/projector (I have a 106" projector screen), you have to place the speakers very wide to not interfere with the projection. But, if you have the room width to handle that, they sound great set wide with me ~13-14' away. Just saw your budget...if the $3K is for all the speakers + sub, I'd go Emotiva for everything but maybe consider a sub from Rythmik (their servo subs are awesome, IMHO). Mark |
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Post by joeh on Jan 15, 2019 20:48:08 GMT -5
I did go to Best Buy for the Klipsch demo. They had the top of the line Klipsch speakers and I did not like the sound. The B&W was demoed at a high end audio retailer (Definitive Audio).
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Post by klinemj on Jan 15, 2019 20:50:30 GMT -5
$999 for a pair of T2's for FR/FL, $459/pair of surrounds - so right at $1K, C2 center at $369, and you have $600 left for a sub. Or drop down to T1's for FR/FL and add $300 to your sub budget. The Emotiva ribbon tweeters are great.
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Post by Cogito on Jan 15, 2019 21:55:38 GMT -5
So many speakers... Best bet is to check for local dealers so you can actually hear what's available. Speaker recommendations are pretty useless because no one knows what sounds good to you.
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Post by teaman on Jan 15, 2019 22:05:10 GMT -5
I did go to Best Buy for the Klipsch demo. They had the top of the line Klipsch speakers and I did not like the sound. The B&W was demoed at a high end audio retailer (Definitive Audio). Just so you are aware, Best Buy does not carry any of the upper line Klipsch. I don't care whether you like them or not, but the factor that the speakers you heard are basically entry level bargain basement makes a huge difference. Unless your store had a dedicated Magnolia you didn't even get to hear the second from bottom tier of Klipsch. I would imagine the same goes for the B&W you listened to. There is a whole world of real speakers outside of Best Buy. The last thing anyone will say about Klipsch speakers is that they sound cupped or muffled. Usually the criticism is that they are too harsh and in your face. Moving from poly woofers to copper anodized aluminum and from aluminum tweeters to titanium compression drivers is night and day. I tell everyone, DO NOT go to Best Buy to hear Klipsch....lol |
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Post by pallpoul on Jan 15, 2019 22:11:12 GMT -5
I did go to Best Buy for the Klipsch demo. They had the top of the line Klipsch speakers and I did not like the sound. The B&W was demoed at a high end audio retailer (Definitive Audio). Just so you are aware, Best Buy does not carry any of the upper line Klipsch. I don't care whether you like them or not, but the factor that the speakers you heard are basically entry level bargain basement makes a huge difference. Unless your store had a dedicated Magnolia you didn't even get to hear the second from bottom tier of Klipsch. I would imagine the same goes for the B&W you listened to. There is a whole world of real speakers outside of Best Buy. The last thing anyone will say about Klipsch speakers is that they sound cupped or muffled. Usually the criticism is that they are too harsh and in your face. Moving from poly woofers to copper anodized aluminum and from aluminum tweeters to titanium compression drivers is night and day. I tell everyone, DO NOT go to Best Buy to hear Klipsch....lol Well the OP surely did not hear these Klipsches at BestBuy,  ....  |
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Post by teaman on Jan 15, 2019 22:12:11 GMT -5
Just so you are aware, Best Buy does not carry any of the upper line Klipsch. I don't care whether you like them or not, but the factor that the speakers you heard are basically entry level bargain basement makes a huge difference. Unless your store had a dedicated Magnolia you didn't even get to hear the second from bottom tier of Klipsch. I would imagine the same goes for the B&W you listened to. There is a whole world of real speakers outside of Best Buy. The last thing anyone will say about Klipsch speakers is that they sound cupped or muffled. Usually the criticism is that they are too harsh and in your face. Moving from poly woofers to copper anodized aluminum and from aluminum tweeters to titanium compression drivers is night and day. I tell everyone, DO NOT go to Best Buy to hear Klipsch....lol Well the OP surely did not hear these Klipsches,.... View AttachmentOr anything remotely related...lol |
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Post by joeh on Jan 16, 2019 0:52:10 GMT -5
Let’s be clear about the Klipsch that I heard. The Best Buy store I went to had a Magnilia store within. I listened to the current reference line from Klipsch and they sounded to me as I described. As far as I am concerned the only electronics that can make a speaker sound better is Linn equipment. If you have to ask how much Linn equipment cost the you cannot afford it.
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Post by pknaz on Jan 16, 2019 1:11:48 GMT -5
I'll sell my front and center speakers for $3k I'll even give you a better price than that, and you can spend the extra on transporting them to your location. See my signature for details. |
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Post by pknaz on Jan 16, 2019 1:12:12 GMT -5
I'll sell my front and center speakers for $3k I'll even give you a better price than that, and you can spend the extra on transporting them to your location. See my signature for details. and I'd put them up against anything on the market in that price range. |
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