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Post by cwt on Jan 3, 2020 12:49:12 GMT -5
Less than $10,000 is a pretty broad range. They have pigeonholed it over at avforums according to a dealer www.avforums.com/threads/atis-new-atp16-preamp-processor.2147154/post-26936626 . Which makes sense as ATI has taken over Datasat and their engineers ; so that's where the real good stuff in comparison to the HTP1 is going depending on your outlook Was being shown around the shows over there by Morris Kessler ; the ceo of ATI ..
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Post by Lsc on Jan 3, 2020 13:49:24 GMT -5
Less than $10,000 is a pretty broad range. It usually means $9,999.99. 😊 The ATI isn’t something I am interested in buying considering my main speakers cost $5000/pair. But the Monoprice at $4000 appears to be off to a great start. It’s very weird to me that the Monoprice unit is more stable than the Arcam. All these MDS based processors should be in even hotter competition amongst each other than vs Emotiva as they have more in common with each other. But who knows what types of product differentiation they will have. No one will probably fall for just a decorative face plate anymore but who knows? In what has been a declining market, there sure seems to be a lot more players than ever coming in 2020 in the processor world.
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Post by pedrocols on Jan 3, 2020 13:50:31 GMT -5
With all those prices I think I am sticking to two channel.
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Post by cwt on Jan 3, 2020 21:02:33 GMT -5
Less than $10,000 is a pretty broad range. It usually means $9,999.99. 😊 The ATI isn’t something I am interested in buying considering my main speakers cost $5000/pair. But the Monoprice at $4000 appears to be off to a great start. There looks to be tiers of performance between the ce's Lsc ; its not hard to envisage the ATP1 from the same manufacturer as the HTP1 will have advantages whether they be better quality parts or circuit design or likely configurability . I notice the JBL sp55 has sabre dacs while the HTP1 has AKM's . Implementation is important as Rich says here; www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/3040246-monoprice-htp-1-announced-16ch-9-1-6-atmos-surround-sound-processor-33.html#post58685904I believe the HTP1 has volume control on its dac so separate chips aren't in play ; the monoprice has pared back a lot of things not really needed like possibly a true analogue passthrough which will please many out there Arcam are very obstinate ; it took ages for them to place the PEQ before Dirac instead of after it and they still have matters to fix on the last gen unfortunately ..
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Post by Lsc on Jan 4, 2020 12:55:36 GMT -5
There definitely appears to be some design choices made for some product differentiation and I know that it’s more than just the DAC but the Monoprice has the newer AKM 4493 vs the RMC1’s 4490. How much of a factor does that play into the overall sound quality? Honestly, if the Monoprice does well, it gives folks another option. I look at it as, if the HTP-1 with Dirac isn’t around then it may have not lit a fire under Emotiva to potentially hurry up to deliver Dirac. This should be their top priority and I think it is.
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 4, 2020 19:02:24 GMT -5
A Dirac emplyee has written several times on AVS that Emotiva has gotten the final code since atleast 6 monrhs ago.. After Dirac issued the press release about coding problems with the Emotiva DSP in april last year, they according to him, delivered the finished code in june. He even posted in august that he expected Emotiva would release a Dirac update very soon.. Since then Lonnie posted that there were some memory issues but that they could overcome those soon.. Still we wait. Q1 2020 is the latest ETA. Emotiva says they were given the code and files necessary for 2 channel but not for surround, and they have it working in 2 channel. So, who knows which is right. And, I have never heard Emotiva firmly quote Q1 2020...where have you seen that? At Tech Day, Dan said they are hoping for that, but Dirac's work defines the timing. Mark Yes, from tech day.. ETA estimated time of arrival.. No promise, just that they plan to have it ready Q1.
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 4, 2020 19:33:25 GMT -5
There definitely appears to be some design choices made for some product differentiation and I know that it’s more than just the DAC but the Monoprice has the newer AKM 4493 vs the RMC1’s 4490. How much of a factor does that play into the overall sound quality? Honestly, if the Monoprice does well, it gives folks another option. I look at it as, if the HTP-1 with Dirac isn’t around then it may have not lit a fire under Emotiva to potentially hurry up to deliver Dirac. This should be their top priority and I think it is. Yes, highend DAC’s, while good are nothing without a good implementation. Not sayiing HTP-1 is better or worse, just that it depends on how it’s implemented. Both DAC’s probably performs about the same. The difference being in places where humans can’t hear. Dirac, speakers and room treatment will do ALOT more for the sound quality.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 4, 2020 20:12:29 GMT -5
Yes, from tech day.. ETA estimated time of arrival.. No promise, just that they plan to have it ready Q1. Well, I was the one who published the notes, and here's exactly what they said: There is nothing that said they "plan" to have it ready in the notes or what Dan said. This quote is from Dan's public comments as we enjoyed lunch. I don't point that out to disrespect you, so don't take it as that. I'm merely wanting to make sure my notes are not misinterpreted. Mark (PS - I am not an Emotiva employeee...just a lounge member who takes detailed notes and publishes them after any events I'm at...)
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Post by dlaunde on Jan 4, 2020 20:21:16 GMT -5
I thought Keith L clarified a while ago in the RMC owners thread that they are no longer at Diracs mercy and instead were given the API from which Emotiva has to build their own interface around.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 4, 2020 20:26:30 GMT -5
I thought Keith L clarified a while ago in the RMC owners thread that they are no longer at Diracs mercy and instead were given the API from which Emotiva has to build their own interface around. See if you can find that...I don't recall ever seeing that post-tech day. Edit: I found it. See below...this was in response to someone saying Dirac had delivered all that was needed: Mark
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 4, 2020 20:34:40 GMT -5
Yes, from tech day.. ETA estimated time of arrival.. No promise, just that they plan to have it ready Q1. Well, I was the one who published the notes, and here's exactly what they said: There is nothing that said they "plan" to have it ready in the notes or what Dan said. This quote is from Dan's public comments as we enjoyed lunch. I don't point that out to disrespect you, so don't take it as that. I'm merely wanting to make sure my notes are not misinterpreted. Mark (PS - I am not an Emotiva employeee...just a lounge member who takes detailed notes and publishes them after any events I'm at...) Ahh OK. Sorry for spreading wrong info. But Q1 is early 2020, not alot off.. But at the mercy of Dirac? A Dirac emplyee has written on AVS that everything was delivered to Emotiva in june 2019.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 4, 2020 20:36:46 GMT -5
Well, I was the one who published the notes, and here's exactly what they said: There is nothing that said they "plan" to have it ready in the notes or what Dan said. This quote is from Dan's public comments as we enjoyed lunch. I don't point that out to disrespect you, so don't take it as that. I'm merely wanting to make sure my notes are not misinterpreted. Mark (PS - I am not an Emotiva employeee...just a lounge member who takes detailed notes and publishes them after any events I'm at...) Ahh OK. Sorry for spreading wrong info. But Q1 is early 2020, not alot off.. But at the mercy of Dirac? A Dirac emplyee has written on AVS that everything was delivered to Emotiva in june 2019. See comment immediately above...what Keith said is in many ways consistent with what Lonnie said. They delivered part, not all, of what was needed. As of 12/10...sounds like Emotiva is now having to do the rest. Mark
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Post by dlaunde on Jan 4, 2020 20:37:55 GMT -5
So they are no longer at Dirac's mercy. It is in their own coding hands now. Which is the part that made me very weary considering their less then stellar programming record.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 4, 2020 20:39:57 GMT -5
So they are no longer at Dirac's mercy. It is in their own coding hands now. Which is the part that made me very weary considering their less then stellar programming record. Time will tell...sounds like Dirac dropped the ball vs. what Emotiva was promised. Mark
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Post by dlaunde on Jan 4, 2020 20:41:53 GMT -5
Time will tell...sounds like Dirac dropped the ball vs. what Emotiva was promised. Mark Ehh. Color me skeptical to believe entirely everything Emotiva says.
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 4, 2020 21:01:58 GMT -5
Well, a joint press release with Dirac explaining the issues upto this point would be nice.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 4, 2020 21:17:33 GMT -5
Well, a joint press release with Dirac explaining the issues upto this point would be nice. It would be really nice, but...I doubt we'll see it. Mark
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Post by klinemj on Jan 4, 2020 21:18:16 GMT -5
Time will tell...sounds like Dirac dropped the ball vs. what Emotiva was promised. Mark Ehh. Color me skeptical to believe entirely everything Emotiva says. I am skeptical of what Dirac says also. Mark
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Post by dlaunde on Jan 4, 2020 21:28:36 GMT -5
Ehh. Color me skeptical to believe entirely everything Emotiva says. I am skeptical of what Dirac says also. Mark I would have been too had a very well regarded member on AVS not given their input of Dirac as a company when he worked with them as a 3rd party in the past. So best I can do is split the difference 50/50 and say both sides share equal "blame". Which means Emotiva trying to slyly point a finger at Dirac while they write the necessary code holds no water to me.
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Post by tom9933 on Jan 4, 2020 22:30:41 GMT -5
It sounds like Dirac on the HTP-1 is limited to a sampling rate of 48k I wonder if the RMCs will have the same limitation... I'm still really happy with the sound quality of the RMC, but from the early adopter reports on AVS it sounds like the HTP-1 developers are really doing a nice job on the software side... I really like what I see of the webUI and the fast switching/lack of HDMI drop out issues sounds very appealing. It will be interesting to see how the reports look after more testing and if anyone will do a side by side comparison.
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