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Post by chicagorspec on Jan 19, 2019 16:10:55 GMT -5
It's a passive preamp. Interesting and nice pprice point. The huge KNOB attracts me.  Maybe less a huge knob as a small overall size, in case you were thinking about ordering. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 19, 2019 16:24:00 GMT -5
Gentlejax, I use an older Sherbourn Pre/Pro model number PT-7020C4....for both home theater and two channel stereo set ups. Running through the balanced XLR ins and outs on the pre pro from my ERC-2 or ERC 3 CD player to the XPA series amps sounds absolutely incredible. Best sounding set up I have heard. They don't come up that often, although there is one for sale on CanuckAudioMart right now. I have turned others on to it and they feel pretty much the same way. From what I hear the Sherbourn PT-7030 sounds very similar and is actually one step up being their flagship model. If you have a chance to hear one do it! Tim Though I have no proof, I think the 7030 was the original XMC-1 design before they revamped it.  |
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Post by teaman on Jan 19, 2019 16:41:30 GMT -5
Gentlejax, I use an older Sherbourn Pre/Pro model number PT-7020C4....for both home theater and two channel stereo set ups. Running through the balanced XLR ins and outs on the pre pro from my ERC-2 or ERC 3 CD player to the XPA series amps sounds absolutely incredible. Best sounding set up I have heard. They don't come up that often, although there is one for sale on CanuckAudioMart right now. I have turned others on to it and they feel pretty much the same way. From what I hear the Sherbourn PT-7030 sounds very similar and is actually one step up being their flagship model. If you have a chance to hear one do it! Tim Though I have no proof, I think the 7030 was the original XMC-1 design before they revamped it. No idea on that one Garbulky, I found the Twin Cirrus chips they used in the PT series to sound the best and most accurate for both home theater and stereo. I can't remember when the XMC-1 launched but I believe these PT disappeared in 2012. Looks to me like the XMC-1 uses the Burr-Brown DAC chip though. |
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Post by lrobertson on Jan 19, 2019 16:54:55 GMT -5
It doesn’t have any dual differential channels though right? I thought they were all single ended.
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Post by garbulky on Jan 19, 2019 16:59:33 GMT -5
It doesn’t have any dual differential channels though right? I thought they were all single ended. I know very little about it. I just know that out of the blue during the development of the XMC-1 this fully fledged processor showed up at Sherbourn and was quickly discontinued as they went out of business. |
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Post by lrobertson on Jan 19, 2019 17:19:26 GMT -5
If I remember right I think Rotel had an identical model. It was co developed I thought I heard. I could be wrong. It is a great sounding pre pro.
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Post by teaman on Jan 19, 2019 17:36:12 GMT -5
If I remember right I think Rotel had an identical model. It was co developed I thought I heard. I could be wrong. It is a great sounding pre pro. I've heard that as well. That Rotel and Sherbourn worked together on that series. After viewing both products you can see the similarities |
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Post by leonski on Jan 21, 2019 16:37:29 GMT -5
PLENTY of fish in the sea.
First, though, a question? Do you USE the FM tuner? If not, you just got lucky......and a half.
For Example: In used gear? Parasound P3 preamp is bargain priced theses days. The P5 might be coming on the used market and has a good DAC, headphone output AND very nice bass management for that 2.1 system.
Older gear by the likes of Adcom or NAD or even ROTEL might be available. If you need the amplifier section? The OUTLAW RR2150 (now used) or RR2160, as new. The Outlaw if a full-function 'receiver' meaning it also has an FM tuner.
Some of the pre amps listed will upgrade you to BALANCED connections, too, which are good for long runs.....but not necessarily a real advantage otherwise.
Various KITS are available from the likes of BOTTLEHEAD ($$$) while you might find something over on DIY Audio.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 21, 2019 16:47:11 GMT -5
Gentlejax, I use an older Sherbourn Pre/Pro model number PT-7020C4....for both home theater and two channel stereo set ups. Running through the balanced XLR ins and outs on the pre pro from my ERC-2 or ERC 3 CD player to the XPA series amps sounds absolutely incredible. Best sounding set up I have heard. They don't come up that often, although there is one for sale on CanuckAudioMart right now. I have turned others on to it and they feel pretty much the same way. From what I hear the Sherbourn PT-7030 sounds very similar and is actually one step up being their flagship model. If you have a chance to hear one do it! Tim Though I have no proof, I think the 7030 was the original XMC-1 design before they revamped it. Take off the composite and component video inputs, and THAT'S more what the back of the RMC-1 should look more like. 6 analog inputs, multiple Zone outputs, analog 2 channel record out, 7.1 analog inputs, zone outputs galore. Just needs more channels for Atmos. If it did, I wouldn't have to be waiting on modules. |
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Post by lrobertson on Jan 21, 2019 17:04:27 GMT -5
You can plug in the RMC-1 to the balanced connections and run the Denon to the unbalanced on the same amp. The sherbourn’s I have have the switches that wouldn’t be too bad to flip for those times if I kept em accessible although it would be 7. It would still be a pain especially if you spend a lot of time with both but might work as a temporary fix if your amps have an easy way to switch.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 21, 2019 17:27:13 GMT -5
You can plug in the RMC-1 to the balanced connections and run the Denon to the unbalanced on the same amp. The sherbourn’s I have have the switches that wouldn’t be too bad to flip for those times if I kept em accessible although it would be 7. It would still be a pain especially if you spend a lot of time with both but might work as a temporary fix if your amps have an easy way to switch. I love good hook up ideas. That certainly is a good idea for a possible work around! I was already thinking about keeping the Denon in the chain, but hadn't thought of doing it that way. Thanks for that! |
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Post by teaman on Jan 21, 2019 18:17:23 GMT -5
Though I have no proof, I think the 7030 was the original XMC-1 design before they revamped it. Take off the composite and component video inputs, and THAT'S more what the back of the RMC-1 should look more like. 6 analog inputs, multiple Zone outputs, analog 2 channel record out, 7.1 analog inputs, zone outputs galore. Just needs more channels for Atmos. If it did, I wouldn't have to be waiting on modules. Plus mine already work without flaws and bugs! |
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Post by chicagorspec on Jan 21, 2019 18:27:18 GMT -5
Take off the composite and component video inputs, and THAT'S more what the back of the RMC-1 should look more like. 6 analog inputs, multiple Zone outputs, analog 2 channel record out, 7.1 analog inputs, zone outputs galore. Just needs more channels for Atmos. If it did, I wouldn't have to be waiting on modules. Plus mine already work without flaws and bugs! Are you saying you can watch a whole movie, all the way through, with sound? Even pause to go get a snack, then come back and press play and everything still works? What an idea. |
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Post by teaman on Jan 21, 2019 18:39:55 GMT -5
Plus mine already work without flaws and bugs! Are you saying you can watch a whole movie, all the way through, with sound? Even pause to go get a snack, then come back and press play and everything still works? What an idea. Yep, all of the above....lol. Bonus is they only cost me $250 or less each! |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 21, 2019 20:26:19 GMT -5
Take off the composite and component video inputs, and THAT'S more what the back of the RMC-1 should look more like. 6 analog inputs, multiple Zone outputs, analog 2 channel record out, 7.1 analog inputs, zone outputs galore. Just needs more channels for Atmos. If it did, I wouldn't have to be waiting on modules. Plus mine already work without flaws and bugs! As it should, as it should. No excuses necessary. |
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Post by leonski on Jan 21, 2019 23:58:53 GMT -5
Wasn't the OP mainly concerned with STEREO?
That sherbourn pictured above is certainly not stereo.....And the Audioholics review is about 5 1/2 years old.....
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Post by teaman on Jan 22, 2019 0:48:45 GMT -5
Wasn't the OP mainly concerned with STEREO? That sherbourn pictured above is certainly not stereo.....And the Audioholics review is about 5 1/2 years old..... It's obviously not limited to stereo but since the OP has the same ERC-3 with balanced outputs he can take advantage of the balanced inputs and outputs of the Sherbourn and run it in stereo. The on board Twin Cirrus chips are what give these Sherbourn such great sound, in stereo or surround. Obviously the OP doesn't have to buy one, I just suggested since his set up is similar to mine that he may like it running two channel. So far I have two buddies that are now hooked on these for both surround and separate two channel rigs. |
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Post by leonski on Jan 22, 2019 1:39:47 GMT -5
Wasn't the OP mainly concerned with STEREO? That sherbourn pictured above is certainly not stereo.....And the Audioholics review is about 5 1/2 years old..... It's obviously not limited to stereo but since the OP has the same ERC-3 with balanced outputs he can take advantage of the balanced inputs and outputs of the Sherbourn and run it in stereo. The on board Twin Cirrus chips are what give these Sherbourn such great sound, in stereo or surround. Obviously the OP doesn't have to buy one, I just suggested since his set up is similar to mine that he may like it running two channel. So far I have two buddies that are now hooked on these for both surround and separate two channel rigs. I still don't get why a stereo guy would want that Sherbourn....or the like. The NEW Parasound P6 has improved on the P5 in many functional and cosmetic areas. And has balanced I/O along with bass managment features. Even an improved DAC section. A few stereo guys out there even run PASSIVE preamps which are strictly minimalist and attenuate only. NO Gain. I get recommending what you like, I have to stop myself sometimes. But rather put the OP on the trail of stuff he MIGHT find more centered to his original request........ |
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Post by teaman on Jan 22, 2019 2:21:04 GMT -5
It's obviously not limited to stereo but since the OP has the same ERC-3 with balanced outputs he can take advantage of the balanced inputs and outputs of the Sherbourn and run it in stereo. The on board Twin Cirrus chips are what give these Sherbourn such great sound, in stereo or surround. Obviously the OP doesn't have to buy one, I just suggested since his set up is similar to mine that he may like it running two channel. So far I have two buddies that are now hooked on these for both surround and separate two channel rigs. I still don't get why a stereo guy would want that Sherbourn....or the like. The NEW Parasound P6 has improved on the P5 in many functional and cosmetic areas. And has balanced I/O along with bass managment features. Even an improved DAC section. A few stereo guys out there even run PASSIVE preamps which are strictly minimalist and attenuate only. NO Gain. I get recommending what you like, I have to stop myself sometimes. But rather put the OP on the trail of stuff he MIGHT find more centered to his original request........ I can think of one reason, it cost me about $1300 less than the Parasound P5 would. The fact that the OP is looking for an alternative to the PT-100 tells me he is likely looking for a budget preamp as well. Hell, flip me a couple of grand and I will gladly skip on the Parasound and grab myself the latest Bryston. He has a $400 preamp, looking for alternatives. I do not equate a $1500 Parasound as an alternative. Maybe I'm wrong and he has that kind of money to drop on one, I know I don't. The DAC in the Sherbourn is what drew me to it. I am still thrilled with my Sherbourn SR-120 AVRs, they sound very similar to my PT pre/pro. I'm way less concerned with the brand and more about what sound I like. I have had dozens of AVR's and the Sherbourn is the first that I actually like the sound of in two channel. I don't knock your suggestion of the P5 or P6 leonski, I'm just trying to find the OP something that sounds good in the same price range of what he is looking to replace. Tim |
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Post by leonski on Jan 22, 2019 3:06:35 GMT -5
Couple things here: First? I said the P3 is a bargain on the used market. And the P5 is coming to the used market now and should be modestly priced. The P6 retails for around 1500$. For the P5 to cost you 1300 LESS than the Sherbourn? You're in negative territory! New price for the P5 was around a grand. For someone like me who keeps stuff for a while, not bad. Budget Pre? Absolutely agree. That's why I started with the pre-owned P3 or P5 level stuff. More USEABLE features than a pre-pro setup for 7 channel or whatever. FAR MORE to go wrong, when the UnUsed HDMI board decides to go south. And down the entire piece. Link to P3 which I consider overpriced at 375$ www.ebay.com/itm/223335855835Or over on Audiogon, a ZPRE3 for 400$ www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9a84g-parasound-zpre3-solid-stateI'm not selling Parasound, as I'm sure you already know, but a quick look at others may show some real good USED deals. I didn't see much of interest at Audiogon OR US Audio Mart.......usually good for a browse. Right this minute, the ZPRE3 is 350$ at Audio Advisor. I'm not a shill for 'em and have never done business with them........check 'em out, first...... |
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