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Post by tropicallutefisk on Mar 28, 2019 11:59:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the only Maggie you can buy online from the factory is the new LRS (little ribbon speaker), replacing the MMG models, at $650/pair with 60-day trial. I love my modded MMG's and am curious about the LRS improvements, if any; has anybody on the forum purchased or heard a pair? I currently have the MG12 and 1.7 both with "upgraded" crossovers and despite all the hype about modded older magnepans models, the MG12 are the ones in my closet collecting dust. The 1.7 is better to my ears. I would also expect the new mmg to be also better than the older one. |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Mar 28, 2019 12:01:35 GMT -5
Please tell me more about these upgraded crossovers if you can. I'm a Maggie owner and definitely curious if they are something worthwhile.
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 28, 2019 13:55:08 GMT -5
Since you now know what speaker you want, personally I'd give up on them and go find a deal on a used pair and save some serious dough. They had their chance.
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Post by fritz on Mar 28, 2019 19:44:45 GMT -5
I appreciate everyone's insight on this issue. Interestingly enough he called me the next day after I posted this and told me how sorry he was and that Magnepan is working on his order now. He told me early next week he hopes to have them. I'm optimistic about it but I don't expect them that soon after waiting for four weeks for any kind of update. I told him some news is good news. He really seems like a nice guy when I talk to him but my patients is wearing thin. Ill just chill and wait for now. Patience is a virtue I guess.
Thanks guys.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 28, 2019 19:50:52 GMT -5
Please tell me more about these upgraded crossovers if you can. I'm a Maggie owner and definitely curious if they are something worthwhile. Like all audio I think the results are subjective. However, I think for me it was worthwhile. I really have a hard time stop listening music! To me it sounds very enjoyable. |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 28, 2019 20:26:02 GMT -5
I appreciate everyone's insight on this issue. Interestingly enough he called me the next day after I posted this and told me how sorry he was and that Magnepan is working on his order now. He told me early next week he hopes to have them. I'm optimistic about it but I don't expect them that soon after waiting for four weeks for any kind of update. I told him some news is good news. He really seems like a nice guy when I talk to him but my patients is wearing thin. Ill just chill and wait for now. Patience is a virtue I guess. I'd call Magnepan again and confirm that they got the order and what they say the status is on it. Then if they confirm everything is peachy I'd chill and wait.  |
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Post by chicagorspec on Mar 30, 2019 14:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by fritz on Mar 30, 2019 16:36:06 GMT -5
Thanks chicagorspec…
I called Audio Dimension again today and he told me to call back next wed. to see if they came in. I've been dealing with the owner and the (salesman that appears to work only on Sat).
When I call back on Wed. and if they still aren't in that's when I'm gonna lose it with them. Nice guys or not.
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Post by chicagorspec on Mar 30, 2019 17:52:08 GMT -5
Thanks chicagorspec… I called Audio Dimension again today and he told me to call back next wed. to see if they came in. I've been dealing with the owner and the (salesman that appears to work only on Sat). When I call back on Wed. and if they still aren't in that's when I'm gonna lose it with them. Nice guys or not. I hope you find good listening soon, Fritz, one way or another. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 1, 2019 11:39:45 GMT -5
I currently have the MG12 and 1.7 both with "upgraded" crossovers and despite all the hype about modded older magnepans models, the MG12 are the ones in my closet collecting dust. The 1.7 is better to my ears. I would also expect the new mmg to be also better than the older one. First? Magnepan doesn't even paint the stripes in the parking lot without thinking it thru. They are fairly deliberate. The 'i' version of the 3.7 and 1.7 were arrived at by TEST with a listening panel. Are your 'upgraded' crossovers factory or DIY? Not all upgrades are DIY equal. If they are the factory item, you just might not like the 'new' presentation or it is still breaking in. I'd give caps a while. Not 'hundreds' of hours, but certainly a couple weeks of regular use. 'Better' parts don't guarantee 'better' results. Parts ain't parts. For example? Skiing Ninja made a replacment crossover for the MG1.6 which featured an AirCore inductor and higher end Clarity Capacitors. They were fairly priced for what they were but simply never took off in the DIY community. After hearing several sets of the MMG, including a Magnestand modded version, I'd expect the NEW version to be easily worth the <10% premium. Given enough room and proper electronics these are nearly at no-brainer level. And for the OP? First, I suspect you've already found out the Magnepan DOESN'T DO internet. HAH! So if and when you call,, ask for WENDEL. He is the #1 go-to guy in White Bear Lake. Be gentle, so you don't screw a dealer who IS trying. If your order is in the works, that's fine. If it hasn't been placed? I think Chicago is the nearest big city which has a stocking dealer. The BEST source for real Magnepan Information is Audio Asylum.....Planar Asylum. The depth of information is huge with every phase of modification being represented, from stands to crossover to rebuilding ribbons to you Name It. |
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Post by fritz on Apr 1, 2019 13:58:59 GMT -5
Thanks Leonski,
I did call Magnepan last Sat. and left Wendel a voicemail pleading my case. I did express to him that Harry at Audio Dimensions is an extremely nice guy but for what ever reason
I'm tired of waiting for 4 weeks without even knowing if my order was placed or any kind of update status. Just one hour ago I received a call from a young lady at Magnepan telling me my order is shipping today. Hopefully the 1.7i's will be ready for pickup by this weekend. Apparently my persistence has gotten through. Now we will see if Harry from Audio Dimensions will honor his claim to cutting me some kind of deal because of all this. If he makes no mention of it when I pick them up I wont say anything to him about what he said
to me about that. I just wont be going back for any future purchases if he does that. Ill just be grateful to get them. What he doesn't know is I'm in the market to buy a new turntable to get my feet wet with vinyl LP's.
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Post by leonski on Apr 1, 2019 14:09:39 GMT -5
Most at Magnepan wear several hats.
Wendel does a LOT and is busier than the proverbial one legged man at an ass kicking contest.
He was doing the road show for the 30.7, the new Top Line speaker from Magnepan. This is maybe 30,000$ or so. And is multiple panels PER SIDE just like the original Tympani models.....
I've met hin and his wife at several shows. The Magnepan room is nearly always 'by appointment only'.....so take a number and be back at the appointed time!
That a dealer is apparently burning a bridge is Sad, especially in this day and age of shrinking market and internet sales / direct marketing taking up a LOT of the slack, is horrible to hear.
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 1, 2019 14:52:14 GMT -5
First? Magnepan doesn't even paint the stripes in the parking lot without thinking it thru. They are fairly deliberate. The 'i' version of the 3.7 and 1.7 were arrived at by TEST with a listening panel. Are your 'upgraded' crossovers factory or DIY? Not all upgrades are DIY equal. If they are the factory item, you just might not like the 'new' presentation or it is still breaking in. I'd give caps a while. Not 'hundreds' of hours, but certainly a couple weeks of regular use. 'Better' parts don't guarantee 'better' results. Parts ain't parts. For example? Skiing Ninja made a replacment crossover for the MG1.6 which featured an AirCore inductor and higher end Clarity Capacitors. They were fairly priced for what they were but simply never took off in the DIY community. After hearing several sets of the MMG, including a Magnestand modded version, I'd expect the NEW version to be easily worth the <10% premium. Given enough room and proper electronics these are nearly at no-brainer level. And for the OP? First, I suspect you've already found out the Magnepan DOESN'T DO internet. HAH! So if and when you call,, ask for WENDEL. He is the #1 go-to guy in White Bear Lake. Be gentle, so you don't screw a dealer who IS trying. If your order is in the works, that's fine. If it hasn't been placed? I think Chicago is the nearest big city which has a stocking dealer. The BEST source for real Magnepan Information is Audio Asylum.....Planar Asylum. The depth of information is huge with every phase of modification being represented, from stands to crossover to rebuilding ribbons to you Name It. The crossovers are both, factory with "better caps" on the 1.7 and on the MG12 the crossovers are exactly what the Gun guy supplies with his magnestand speakers.You can email him, which is what I did, and he sends you the crossovers along with his rationale for the upgrade. |
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Post by localnet on Apr 1, 2019 15:08:06 GMT -5
Hello all, Over the last few weeks (Almost) a month now Ive been trying to purchase a new set of Magnepan 1.7i's. The only dealer close enough to me which I leave unnamed seams to be running me around. The only 2 other dealers here in Michigan are almost a 3 hr drive for me. I took my Dynaco VTA ST-120 amp down with me and his salesman was nice enough to set it up for me with their floor models. After listening to the first two songs I was sold. Demo disk Burmester (art for the ear). It was an easy sale for him. I spent more time waiting for him to help another customer with his turn table. His name is Jay. A very nice guy. He took my name and phone number and told me it would be about a two week wait for them to get them in. Also the trim color and color of the socks. I was ready to pay then and there but he told me not till after they came in and I pick them up. Well its been about 4 weeks now and Ive called maybe 4 times to get an update. Every time I call I get the owner and he even tells me to call back to find out. Every time I call him he tells me how busy he is and he keeps forgetting. WTF? Im starting to lose interest in the whole thing. I do like the speakers and would like to get them. Do I really need them? No but Id still like to have them. Anybody have suggestions on how to handle this? Thanks Fritz Thanks for the heads up, I was going to use the same dealer in RO that you are speaking of for the new LRS... I'll drive to Kzoo or GR and deal with one of those folks. It's not that far, take off early Saturday morning and go get em. I see you have this resolved... I'm looking to purchase in two months, been off work since December, need to build up the bankroll, maybe if I order the LRS speakers now I can have them by July? LOL! I might give your guy in Royal Oak a call... I'm in Plymouth. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 1, 2019 15:42:08 GMT -5
Pedrocols, With capacitors, as many other things......Money doesn't necesarrily buy 'better' for you. And some highly regarded caps might not be any better than the Solon or whatever came in your panels.
Peter Gunn is a nut. Well intentikoned and does wonderful reframe work, but some of his claims are either very opinionated or unsubstatiated by measure. I happen to agree with his approach to wooden reframes.
Metal frames ring like a bell which is something Maggies do NOT really need.
I was originally going to go the DIY crossover route. Buy good Clarity caps and make my OWN INDUCTOR. None of the available ones suited me and were simply wrong in some measureables. I wrote a spreadsheet and
did approximations until I found the perfect shape and a DC resistance nearly (5% lower) the same as the stock inductor. But AirCore has NO practical power limits while iron core will saturate at this highest levels.
But when I started reading about Line Level Crossovers, my life changed. an active crossover / biamp system is obviously so much better (technically) with many tuning options and better amp coupling as to make me
want to go in that direction.
Unfortuneately the new generation of Maggie uses a SERIES crossover which turns it into a real experimenters career. PM me and we can chat about this stuff.
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Post by fritz on Apr 1, 2019 15:54:00 GMT -5
Localnet,
I do want to stress that Harry at Audio Dimensions seems to be a very nice guy. That's where some of my frustration comes from. When I talk to him on the phone
he is extremely nice and understanding. Perhaps he needs more help with his orders or help in general. I'm just frustrated cause I'm trying to purchase the 1.7i's.
I don't want to cause him to lose any potential business because of my circumstances. If you do decide to go there, let me know what your experience is.
Looks like our systems are somewhat similar.
XMC-1 prepro
XPA-5 amp
Outlaw 5000 amp
2x Ultra-x 12 Outlaw subs
VTA ST-120 Bob Latino tube amp. Gonna run with the Maggi 1.7i's (I brought it to Audio Dimensions and ran with the Maggies. Sounded great)
Schiit Audio Bifrost multibit dac
8-tc Kimber kable
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Post by klinemj on Apr 1, 2019 16:20:37 GMT -5
fritzGlad you got the Maggie situation sorted out! I hope you enjoy them as much as home as you did in the demo. Mark
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 1, 2019 16:51:38 GMT -5
Pedrocols, With capacitors, as many other things......Money doesn't necesarrily buy 'better' for you. And some highly regarded caps might not be any better than the Solon or whatever came in your panels. Peter Gunn is a nut. Well intentikoned and does wonderful reframe work, but some of his claims are either very opinionated or unsubstatiated by measure. I happen to agree with his approach to wooden reframes. Metal frames ring like a bell which is something Maggies do NOT really need. I was originally going to go the DIY crossover route. Buy good Clarity caps and make my OWN INDUCTOR. None of the available ones suited me and were simply wrong in some measureables. I wrote a spreadsheet and did approximations until I found the perfect shape and a DC resistance nearly (5% lower) the same as the stock inductor. But AirCore has NO practical power limits while iron core will saturate at this highest levels. But when I started reading about Line Level Crossovers, my life changed. an active crossover / biamp system is obviously so much better (technically) with many tuning options and better amp coupling as to make me want to go in that direction. Unfortuneately the new generation of Maggie uses a SERIES crossover which turns it into a real experimenters career. PM me and we can chat about this stuff. Agreed with your assessment about the Gunn guy. He makes some very questionable claims. In addition, the way he expresses himself about the newer maggie models is pretty bitter. I built the crossovers outside of the speakers and I have tried different combinations of capacitor brands and they do sound different! |
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Post by leonski on Apr 1, 2019 17:03:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately, PG got his ass Banned from Audio Asylum. He was just a little TOO excitable and angered the wrong person or persons.
Agree or NOT, you simply can't draw a line in the ether and expect to get away from it on what is supposed to be a 'civil' site.
cheers:
Go Active. You could spend a FORTUNE on capacitors and STILL not find the magic Combination. And do you run a ByPass cap or NOT?
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 1, 2019 17:51:42 GMT -5
I have tried bypass in both the tweeter and mid bass but my ears could not tell the difference. I think the .7 series is way too challenging for my technical abilities to attempt active. If I remember correctly they are not even build for bi amping. The 1.7 is also technically a three way speaker. I have tried Jupiter vt, Mundorf supreme and Jantzen alumen for the tweeter and the Jupiter is hands down the best sounding.
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