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Post by 405x5 on May 5, 2019 18:10:04 GMT -5
"So far the only upgrade in sound I have found is by using 99.99% Pure Fine silver wire. I have only used it for speaker wire and binding post jumpers but the difference in sound and detail was immediate." Not a chance of this
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Post by Bonzo on May 5, 2019 18:10:55 GMT -5
Bah! To the nay sayers! They will give you a consistent overall synergy and good looking uniformed looking system! They’ll look good doing it and if your reasonable they won’t break the bank! Enjoy your purchase and don’t worry about what others say! You like what you like and they’re your toys! And you’ve spent your own money! Maybe they’ll do nothing for your system, but they’ll look great doing it! OFFICIALLY the greatest wire thread post of all time. DAMNED MAN.
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Post by pallpoul on May 5, 2019 18:17:21 GMT -5
Bah! To the nay sayers! They will give you a consistent overall synergy and good looking uniformed looking system! They’ll look good doing it and if your reasonable they won’t break the bank! Enjoy your purchase and don’t worry about what others say! You like what you like and they’re your toys! And you’ve spent your own money! Maybe they’ll do nothing for your system, but they’ll look great doing it! I'll go wireless if I am you.!
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Post by teaman on May 5, 2019 18:18:04 GMT -5
"So far the only upgrade in sound I have found is by using 99.99% Pure Fine silver wire. I have only used it for speaker wire and binding post jumpers but the difference in sound and detail was immediate." Not a chance of this Yep, you're right....again. Thankfully we have smarter people like you in here that know more than the rest of us.
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Post by 405x5 on May 5, 2019 18:23:18 GMT -5
Because in this particular case, it’s like driving into a tree 🌲 just to see what might happen. Funny, but not really. It's more like buying the gold-leaf ice cream for $1000. I say if you can afford it and want to try it, knock yourself out. Me, I'll have Ben and Jerry's but I have no problem with someone who wants to eat the gold. Ha Ha...…….boy that looks good! (I'm an Ice cream Junkie) We are in 100 percent agreement, I think; it's only that two subjects are skewed together here. I don't have a problem with somebody who wants to lay out any amount of change for gear, whatever it is....that is their own business of course. But subject #2 (no pun intended) are the companies that lie to the unwitting to make a profit. They screw with their "victims" until they're convinced it has to somehow sound better, because of the price tag. Bill
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Post by 405x5 on May 5, 2019 19:22:46 GMT -5
Yep, you're right....again. Thankfully we have smarter people like you in here that know more than the rest of us. Those differences you say were “immediate”....switchbox?? Can you elaborate
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Post by amped on May 6, 2019 8:12:26 GMT -5
I am quite sure you will hear a difference after all that research and money. I am equally sure you would not in a blind test... Well first that's not a lot of money. Secondly the "research" I did was described as it was reading and watching...So I never implied that I conducted nor would follow scientific process. But I do appreciate the negative connotation and overall sarcasm. This is simply an exercise that I feel I want to experience for myself so I can formulate, and come to, my own conclusions and in the process, share that info on a board where I believe that most of the members are close to my socio-economic status. I am generally curious as to the results and what better way then to have some pretty decent attainable equipment to use and cables that are well over $2,200 new that I bought for 75% off...And I do have a process that will provide me with a quasi blind listening test and that process as well as my ears and my honesty should provide some info that some peeps may find interesting. And by the way ALL my interconnects are currently EMO balanced cables.
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Post by amped on May 6, 2019 8:43:27 GMT -5
Congratulations Amped. As someone who is currently breaking in a new set of $600 speaker cables, I look forward to your review. To the rest of you, nevermind. What exactly is breaking in on wire? I will NOT be breaking in the cables they are 2 years old so there already broken in...LOL.
No I don't believe in breaking in cables BUT I do believe in breaking in some equipment. However, I think most manufacturers that request a "burn in" that takes you just past their 100% return policy!
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Post by donh50 on May 6, 2019 8:54:29 GMT -5
I am quite sure you will hear a difference after all that research and money. I am equally sure you would not in a blind test... Well first that's not a lot of money. Secondly the "research" I did was described as it was reading and watching...So I never implied that I conducted nor would follow scientific process. But I do appreciate the negative connotation and overall sarcasm. This is simply an exercise that I feel I want to experience for myself so I can formulate, and come to, my own conclusions and in the process, share that info on a board where I believe that most of the members are close to my socio-economic status. I am generally curious as to the results and what better way then to have some pretty decent attainable equipment to use and cables that are well over $2,200 new that I bought for 75% off...And I do have a process that will provide me with a quasi blind listening test and that process as well as my ears and my honesty should provide some info that some peeps may find interesting. And by the way ALL my interconnects are currently EMO balanced cables. Well, guess it's a lot to me, so I am not in your socioeconomic status. That is really beside the point. No sarcasm at all, but reading again I see how it came across that way. The negative connotation is based upon my experience and measurements. As I said in an earlier post, I used to be a "true believer" many years ago, but experience and education have taught me differently. That is not to say there is no difference among cables, but the differences at audio frequencies are inaudible unless there is something wrong with the cable or components, again IME. It's more in the vein of preventing others from repeating my mistakes. But maybe your experience will be different. And yes many folk will be interested in your results. The problem I anticipate is that perceptual bias is virtually impossible to overcome without carefully controlled tests. Which are a PITA to set up and conduct. So without more rigorous testing, which I was not expecting you or anyone else reading to perform, my concern is the more expensive product tends to win. These kind of debates have gone on for ages and rarely if ever are any minds changed. There are no "winners". Your new cables hopefully have very high build quality and may well sound better to you. In the end only your opinion matters. - Don
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Post by amped on May 6, 2019 10:28:29 GMT -5
So I'm just curious do you have a home theater setup? If yes are you still using Dolby Surround or have you moved to Prologic with the "phantom center" or are you using a discrete center channel? Or are you now using THX Stuff? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Well those at the time circa 1986-87 were be all end all HT solutions now we have 25 channels in a 12x17 room why? Because we want it to give us a "closer to the real event experience", we want to feel as if "we are there" well I guess there must be someone here that knows exactly what an explosion caused by a proton torpedo in deep space sounds like against the hull of a Deathstar because it's that vey sound you are chasing. Well to translate that to 2 channel listening I am certain I will be far more likely to compare a live performance with one I am trying to re-create in my room. I would bet that my spending on potential snake oil cables of $550 trying to achieve my "Sonic Nirvana" is FAR less over the course of a lifetime than is the spending by a HT devote. Let's see how much have you, and other "snake oil" detractors have "spent" on the latest HT iteration(s) from pro-logic up to up to the latest Atmos or Atmos Super-Pro or whatever will be out next week not to mention DVD, Blu-Ray, Streaming players (how many?). How about speakers, 4 channels? 5 channels? 6 channels?, 7 channels, subs? In-walls maybe. How about all those processors? Maybe software updates or Board updates? Hey what about YOUR cables HDMI 1,2,3 or 4? How about amplification how many different amps have you owned? How many channels have you added? The point is to each his own in his/her quest for their ultimate listening experience. So I will spend my $450 on a $2,200 cable and someone can update their "board" for $450 so they can get their processor to even work anymore or just buy a new processor with the new board already installed that should only set someone back about $450 right?
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Post by 405x5 on May 6, 2019 10:56:25 GMT -5
One thing's for SURE...…...the "Woman in the Blue Dress" is the only thing worth coming back here for! (Another cable tournament successfully beaten to death!) PS I ALSO love the Women in the Red Dress from THE MATRIX...….remember her? HE HE HE
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Post by amped on May 6, 2019 11:27:14 GMT -5
Hey 405x5...Is that the old Carver 405 amp you're referring to in your name? If it is did you replace it with the Sunfire is that the Sunfire with Bobs signature? Why would you replace the 405?
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Post by pedrocols on May 6, 2019 12:00:47 GMT -5
Yes the blue dress. We need another blue dress for comparison but it can't be a blind test (pun definitely intended 😂).
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Post by novisnick on May 6, 2019 13:02:38 GMT -5
Yes the blue dress. We need another blue dress for comparison but it can't be a blind test (pun definitely intended 😂). Blind testers get to use Braille ! 😋
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Post by creimes on May 6, 2019 13:21:24 GMT -5
What exactly is breaking in on wire? I will NOT be breaking in the cables they are 2 years old so there already broken in...LOL.
No I don't believe in breaking in cables BUT I do believe in breaking in some equipment. However, I think most manufacturers that request a "burn in" that takes you just past their 100% return policy!
Any of my new cable purchases get what I call a "Break In' by this I mean I hang them off a 250ft lighting rod before a big storm, i have found that after being struck minimum 3 to 4 times the sound really opens up, not sure if it's the charred and melted insulation around the copper that makes the sound liquidy smooth but it's night and day difference, well I guess that also depends if the lightning strike was during the day or during the night, I prefer the cable that was struck at night, seems to be more mellow in the highs and just an overall fullness in the lower mids and upper lows.
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Post by 405x5 on May 6, 2019 13:29:57 GMT -5
Hey 405x5...Is that the old Carver 405 amp you're referring to in your name? If it is did you replace it with the Sunfire is that the Sunfire with Bobs signature? Why would you replace the 405? Hello Amped! It’s Bob Carvers Sunfire cinema grand Signature. This one’s from 2001 and has been my only multichannel amplifier since I got into H.T. I did have Carver’s as bridged monoblocks before that and Phase Linear 400 as my first high power stereo amp. Needless to say, NOBODY gave good old Bob more of a chance to get it right then I did! Contrary to the Phase reputation, I got 11 years of great service out of that thing before it went south. Bill
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Post by amped on May 6, 2019 13:37:34 GMT -5
I had the Signature Grand w/Bobs metallic sharpie signature on the front plate. I also used the TFM-35X and 45X as well as many versions of the TFM amps...
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Post by donh50 on May 6, 2019 13:50:48 GMT -5
405x5 -- My original PL 700 (often nicknamed "FlameLinear" by those who had them) was a reliability nightmare for me and many that owned them. And yet it was used reliably in some pro band installations, though the Crown DC300 was more common (and more bulletproof) along with a few other "pro" amps. The later A and B versions were better, particularly the 700B, but it would still eat speakers if it blew. I saw far fewer problems with the PL 400 and don't recall anything significant with the TFM models. That was back in my service tech days. I didn't really like the Cube but only had to work on a few of them so reliability-wise they seemed as good as anything. There were a few other highly-regarded amps of the day that also had issues, mainly overheating. The Sunfire line came about after I was an audio tech, but they were pretty popular, and I never heard of them having significant issues. Bob is selling some very impressive high-power tube amps these days and fairly recently rolled out some lower-powered versions. amped -- Yes, I have a pretty recent HT setup, but 7.1 (no Atmos). I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by 405x5 on May 6, 2019 15:50:04 GMT -5
405x5 -- My original PL 700 (often nicknamed "FlameLinear" by those who had them) was a reliability nightmare for me and many that owned them. And yet it was used reliably in some pro band installations, though the Crown DC300 was more common (and more bulletproof) along with a few other "pro" amps. The later A and B versions were better, particularly the 700B, but it would still eat speakers if it blew. I saw far fewer problems with the PL 400 and don't recall anything significant with the TFM models. That was back in my service tech days. I didn't really like the Cube but only had to work on a few of them so reliability-wise they seemed as good as anything. There were a few other highly-regarded amps of the day that also had issues, mainly overheating. The Sunfire line came about after I was an audio tech, but they were pretty popular, and I never heard of them having significant issues. Bob is selling some very impressive high-power tube amps these days and fairly recently rolled out some lower-powered versions. amped -- Yes, I have a pretty recent HT setup, but 7.1 (no Atmos). I'll just leave it at that. Yep.....Flame Linear and BLAZE LINEAR! (I prefer the latter, probably because it rhymes better). Regarding the Sunfire amps., the idler power supplies were a VERY significant forward step towards longevity in the design, shielding the more sensitive electronic boards from powering on too quick. Mine is "off" 24/7 and warmed up all the time. When you plug the thing in, there is that surge of power to the supply that was always indicative of Carver designs, but it stops at the power supply until a signal triggers the rest of the system. Some guys don't like it and put the amp. on a switched circuit, which somewhat defeats the purpose. Bill
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Post by 405x5 on May 6, 2019 15:54:15 GMT -5
I had the Signature Grand w/Bobs metallic sharpie signature on the front plate. I also used the TFM-35X and 45X as well as many versions of the TFM amps... Yeah, even the old Signatures snag big bucks (1500.00) and upwards depending on the overall condition on Ebay.
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