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Post by Topend on Apr 18, 2020 3:02:02 GMT -5
After upgrading to FW v1.9 I lose the centre channel part way through a movie. At first I thought it was just when watching the Apple TV 4K but just had the same issue when watching a 4K Bluray. I'm going to try v1.8 again and see how things go. Any suggestions? Until v1.9 I had not experienced any significant problems. My XMC-2 was delivered with v1.7, I upgraded it to v1.8 then v 1.9. Thanks, Dave. Tried v1.8, the center speakers is still dropping out part way through a movie. Backgrading to v1.7 now. Dave. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 18, 2020 4:29:20 GMT -5
After upgrading to FW v1.9 I lose the centre channel part way through a movie. At first I thought it was just when watching the Apple TV 4K but just had the same issue when watching a 4K Bluray. I'm going to try v1.8 again and see how things go. Any suggestions? Until v1.9 I had not experienced any significant problems. My XMC-2 was delivered with v1.7, I upgraded it to v1.8 then v 1.9. Thanks, Dave. Tried v1.8, the center speakers is still dropping out part way through a movie. Backgrading to v1.7 now. Dave. This is an interesting variation on the “center channel bug”, I’ve always experienced it at the beginning of a movie or series, typically when it should be playing DD5.1 and it reports 2.0 or even 0.0. Switching modes usually fixes it (like going to stereo and back to auto), at that point for me it’s good for the rest of the movie. While this is a well known problem, I haven’t heard of it happening in the middle of a movie (but maybe I’ve just missed the reports). The best thing would be to document everything going on when it happens — FW, Movie (w/min/sec if possible), speaker config, mode, source device, etc —, then open a ticket with Emotiva. Unfortunately, while often reported, it’s not often acknowledged, it’s been around quite a while and probably my most frequent problem (if it is indeed the same problem you’re having). |
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Post by foggy1956 on Apr 18, 2020 5:15:45 GMT -5
So far it appears switching my HDMI output to port #2 has solved my issues. Especially the Roku is consistently connecting when I select input 4. The recommendation I got here for the fix is much appreciated! You are not the first person that has assumed HDMI #1 was the main port....logically you would think it would be. The correct answer is in the manual, reading is fundamental☺ |
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Post by phaselinear on Apr 18, 2020 12:41:19 GMT -5
Well it seems the XMC-2 firmware 1.9 is still plagued with bugs. The source switching with no sound output at least seems to be the current source getting stuck in 2.0 channel mode and can usually be corrected by changing sound mode instead of a reboot most of the time. My television now recognizes the XMC-2 on its screen and is allowing CEC volume and power on/off communication. Input switching via CEC is still sketchy and unpredictable. My Playstation Pro must be left in HDCP non-compliant mode to pass video. Keep in mind this worked fine with the first firmware release or putting PS4- Pro directly into the Television's HDMI input. If this PS4 Pro issue is obviously a comparison of 2 known firmware versions, why hasn't it been corrected in the latest version?
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Post by ttocs on Apr 18, 2020 12:51:34 GMT -5
Well it seems the XMC-2 firmware 1.9 is still plagued with bugs. The source switching with no sound output at least seems to be the current source getting stuck in 2.0 channel mode and can usually be corrected by changing sound mode instead of a reboot most of the time. My television now recognizes the XMC-2 on its screen and is allowing CEC volume and power on/off communication. Input switching via CEC is still sketchy and unpredictable. My Playstation Pro must be left in HDCP non-compliant mode to pass video. Keep in mind this worked fine with the first firmware release or putting PS4- Pro directly into the Television's HDMI input. If this PS4 Pro issue is obviously a comparison of 2 known firmware versions, why hasn't it been corrected in the latest version? Out of curiosity, do you have anything connected via Optical? I ask because I was experiencing a "stuck 2.0" issue with optical, but I haven't seen this issue since abandoning optical. Also, I gave up on CEC about 12 years ago when my Panasonic tv couldn't control a Panasonic player from the same era. I only check it out these days to help diagnose issues that others are having, so I happen to know that some of the CEC things work in my system. |
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Post by megash0n on Apr 18, 2020 13:02:15 GMT -5
Well it seems the XMC-2 firmware 1.9 is still plagued with bugs. The source switching with no sound output at least seems to be the current source getting stuck in 2.0 channel mode and can usually be corrected by changing sound mode instead of a reboot most of the time. My television now recognizes the XMC-2 on its screen and is allowing CEC volume and power on/off communication. Input switching via CEC is still sketchy and unpredictable. My Playstation Pro must be left in HDCP non-compliant mode to pass video. Keep in mind this worked fine with the first firmware release or putting PS4- Pro directly into the Television's HDMI input. If this PS4 Pro issue is obviously a comparison of 2 known firmware versions, why hasn't it been corrected in the latest version? Curious if you have installed any 1.9 beta code at any point. |
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Post by ouddyhot on Apr 18, 2020 13:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 18, 2020 13:32:55 GMT -5
Tried v1.8, the center speakers is still dropping out part way through a movie. Backgrading to v1.7 now. Dave. This is an interesting variation on the “center channel bug”, I’ve always experienced it at the beginning of a movie or series, typically when it should be playing DD5.1 and it reports 2.0 or even 0.0. Switching modes usually fixes it (like going to stereo and back to auto), at that point for me it’s good for the rest of the movie. While this is a well known problem, I haven’t heard of it happening in the middle of a movie (but maybe I’ve just missed the reports). The best thing would be to document everything going on when it happens — FW, Movie (w/min/sec if possible), speaker config, mode, source device, etc —, then open a ticket with Emotiva. Unfortunately, while often reported, it’s not often acknowledged, it’s been around quite a while and probably my most frequent problem (if it is indeed the same problem you’re having). While I acknowledge that several of you no doubt have/had this center channel situation through different firmware, it's bewildering to me that I've only experienced this one time and that was when I first put the RMC-1 in my home theater with I believe was v1.5. Since then, the center channel has never been a source of any problem for me.................and now that I've unplugged the ethernet cable from my RMC-1, the processor sluggishness/freeze up I was having with 1.9 so far is now not an issue for me. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 18, 2020 13:42:28 GMT -5
If I understand you correctly, I think you are saying the PEQ filters aren't working for you in both firmware versions 1.8 & 1.9 ? If so, KeithL has already stated that they are aware of this and is being fixed for the next public firmware. For those you asking questions about firmware, I always look to read what Emotiva employees have posted since the last time I logged in and see what they may have already answered, thus keeping up to date if they indeed have given any such information. KeithL said something about this 4 days ago, so according to him the PEQ bug should be fixed in the next firmware. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 18, 2020 15:26:11 GMT -5
This is an interesting variation on the “center channel bug”, I’ve always experienced it at the beginning of a movie or series, typically when it should be playing DD5.1 and it reports 2.0 or even 0.0. Switching modes usually fixes it (like going to stereo and back to auto), at that point for me it’s good for the rest of the movie. While this is a well known problem, I haven’t heard of it happening in the middle of a movie (but maybe I’ve just missed the reports). The best thing would be to document everything going on when it happens — FW, Movie (w/min/sec if possible), speaker config, mode, source device, etc —, then open a ticket with Emotiva. Unfortunately, while often reported, it’s not often acknowledged, it’s been around quite a while and probably my most frequent problem (if it is indeed the same problem you’re having). While I acknowledge that several of you no doubted have/had this center channel situation through different firmware, it's bewildering to me that I've only experienced this one time and that was when I first put the RMC-1 in my home theater with I believe was v1.5. Since then, the center channel has never been a source of any problem for me.................and now that I've unplugged the ethernet cable from my RMC-1, the processor sluggishness/freeze up I was having with 1.9 so far is now not an issue for me. Yes, and while I say ‘most frequent’, it doesn’t happen all that often. I used to think it just happened with TV, but I’ve since seen reports of other devices, elusive and annoying. As for disconnecting the NIC, I’d hate to give up ‘the App’. Even though I can do all the same things with the Harmony remote and its iPad app, I find the XMC-1 App more intuitive and easier to use, that said the unresponsive NIC issue is seemingly becoming more prevalent. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 18, 2020 15:50:56 GMT -5
While I acknowledge that several of you no doubted have/had this center channel situation through different firmware, it's bewildering to me that I've only experienced this one time and that was when I first put the RMC-1 in my home theater with I believe was v1.5. Since then, the center channel has never been a source of any problem for me.................and now that I've unplugged the ethernet cable from my RMC-1, the processor sluggishness/freeze up I was having with 1.9 so far is now not an issue for me. Yes, and while I say ‘most frequent’, it doesn’t happen all that often. I used to think it just happened with TV, but I’ve since seen reports of other devices, elusive and annoying. As for disconnecting the NIC, I’d hate to give up ‘the App’. Even though I can do all the same things with the Harmony remote and its iPad app, I find the XMC-1 App more intuitive and easier to use, that said the unresponsive NIC issue is seemingly becoming more prevalent. I'll be happy when this NIC issue is fixed as I too like the XMC-1 App, but this situation forced my hand in buying the Harmony Hub and has made it quite a painless transition. I am however sure the NIC issue will be fixed since implementing DIRAC filters will most likely require it. |
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Post by ramx on Apr 18, 2020 19:35:34 GMT -5
I finally got contacted for my XMC-2 upgrade from XMC-1, and I went ahead with the payment yesterday, expecting to ship my old unit on Monday. However, after reading a big chunk of this thread today, I'm having second thoughts, so maybe someone can provide some advice.
I only have a [fairly high-end] 5.1 setup currently, so I really have no compelling reason to upgrade, other than future proofing and keeping up with the latest. The XMC-1 is superb and it gives me no problems. I have it all nicely fine tuned with Dirac. Furthermore, other than an Oppo Sonica DAC connected via the balanced analog audio input, and a phono amp for my turntable, the rest of my source is WebOS in the TV itself, so I rely heavily on ARC and CEC, which happen to be working very well for me in the XMC-1 with the latest HDMI card.
I don't even know if I can cancel at this point (I can always ask the good Emo folks), but reading this thread, it seems all I'm going to have is a bunch of headaches. Thoughts?
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Post by ttocs on Apr 18, 2020 20:23:31 GMT -5
I finally got contacted for my XMC-2 upgrade from XMC-1, and I went ahead with the payment yesterday, expecting to ship my old unit on Monday. However, after reading a big chunk of this thread today, I'm having second thoughts, so maybe someone can provide some advice. I only have a [fairly high-end] 5.1 setup currently, so I really have no compelling reason to upgrade, other than future proofing and keeping up with the latest. The XMC-1 is superb and it gives me no problems. I have it all nicely fine tuned with Dirac. Furthermore, other than an Oppo Sonica DAC connected via the balanced analog audio input, and a phono amp for my turntable, the rest of my source is WebOS in the TV itself, so I rely heavily on ARC and CEC, which happen to be working very well for me in the XMC-1 with the latest HDMI card. I don't even know if I can cancel at this point (I can always ask the good Emo folks), but reading this thread, it seems all I'm going to have is a bunch of headaches. Thoughts? Firstly, I know from having asked Emo that if you wanted to skip it for now you could do it later. How much later is not clear. Until Dirac is available, it's not available. You didn't mention if you are running the original HDMI 1.4 or the V3 HDMI 2.0 upgrade board. 1.4 was more stable, but I wanted 4K so I upgraded to the XMC-2 and dealt with the slower switching. If you are really happy now and are only future-proofing, I'd say stick with what you have. If you want improved sonic performance in the main front LCR channels, then upgrade. I was shocked at the improvement and very happy I upgraded. The XMC-2 is not problem free, but neither is my TiVo (really unhappy with not having Dolby Vision, waiting for firmware since October), Sony tv (unstable HDMI requiring reboots, can't update firmware via USB - broken and sending a tech to fix), Sony blu-ray player (freezes sometimes watching 4K HDR, sometimes repeatedly). My AppleTV-4K however is now working very well! So, the XMC-2 is in good company. I have zero regrets with the XMC-2. BUT, if you are like a friend of mine who won't deal with any issues, I wouldn't recommend it. My friend bought McIntosh processor and amplification because he didn't want any problems, but he kept having problems with video sources connected to the McIntosh processor so he now has them connected to his OLED directly, problem solved - for him. That being said, I love the XMC-2 and wouldn't go back to the XMC-1. Clear as mud? |
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Post by ramx on Apr 18, 2020 20:59:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the quick feedback. Yes, I am using the V3 HDMI card which happens to work great in my case. Again, all I really need from the HDMI card is ARC and CEC.
I can definitely deal with issues myself, just not the ones I have to wait for a firmware upgrade to solve. I can live without Dirac for a while, but if I don't get my ARC working the same way is working right now with my LG TV, I'd have to make rather big usability changes to my system, which will impact other less understanding beings in my household :-)
What really called my attention was your comment on the quality in the LCR setup. I do care a lot about that, having some really nice Legacy Audio speakers for this, and a fantastic XPA-DR3 amp. If it's that much better, it may make the headaches worth it... thanks again!
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Post by repeetavx on Apr 19, 2020 10:59:39 GMT -5
I purposefully did not sign on for "the list". My XMC-1 is wonderful and will continue to be that way. Someday in the future when Emotiva has finished its Dirac problems, and ironed out the majority of their other problems, they will announce the end of their trade in program. Then, and only then will I consider "taking them up" on their offer. Once I know that they have this product up to the level of the best that they can do. Until then, like I said in the beginning, my XMC-1 is wonderful and will continue to be that way. (Hopefully).
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Post by panda88 on Apr 20, 2020 0:24:19 GMT -5
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I am having a strange issue with the latest 1.9 FW Once I power on the XMC-2 and start playing from the Bluray (Sony 4K) - the voice track is not playing - all other sound is there. It seems to happen for both discs and streaming through the player. Switching to another input and back, makes the sound re-appear. Anyone know if there is a fix for this in the settings (I have it set to auto for audio mode select)
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Post by markc on Apr 20, 2020 2:56:45 GMT -5
Bi amping.. So I don't have to go out and buy XLR y cables and have so many spare XLR pre-amp outputs on the XMC-2 Can you assign any of he unused XLR outputs to another set of L & R mains? And for bonus points, could you set them up to act like a active xover? Asking for a friend Ta The Front Width channels can be setup for Bi Amp Front. I have checked the latest download manual (It is version 1 dated August 2019) for the XMC-2 and it doesn't mention passive bi-amping configuration or internal channel reassignments. There are just these two post about bi-amping in this thread. In the RMC-1 thread there is a single post stating that it may have been a new feature in the 1.8 firmware's speaker configuration. If so, is it still there in 1.9 (and later!) and does it also appear in the XMC-2 too? Can anyone please confirm that re-purposing the Front Width (or other) XLR outputs can be used to passively bi-amp, to avoid Y-cables, as above and that this is definitely a configurable option on the XMC-2. Thanks |
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Post by ttocs on Apr 20, 2020 3:13:43 GMT -5
The Front Width channels can be setup for Bi Amp Front. I have checked the latest download manual (It is version 1 dated August 2019) for the XMC-2 and it doesn't mention passive bi-amping configuration or internal channel reassignments. There are just these two post about bi-amping in this thread. In the RMC-1 thread there is a single post stating that it may have been a new feature in the 1.8 firmware's speaker configuration. If so, is it still there in 1.9 (and later!) and does it also appear in the XMC-2 too? Can anyone please confirm that re-purposing the Front Width (or other) XLR outputs can be used to passively bi-amp, to avoid Y-cables, as above and that this is definitely a configurable option on the XMC-2. Thanks XMC-2 Menu Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1 or 2:: Size:: Front Width:: None/Lg Front Width/Sm Front Width/Bi Amp Front |
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Post by markc on Apr 20, 2020 3:35:00 GMT -5
I have checked the latest download manual (It is version 1 dated August 2019) for the XMC-2 and it doesn't mention passive bi-amping configuration or internal channel reassignments. There are just these two post about bi-amping in this thread. In the RMC-1 thread there is a single post stating that it may have been a new feature in the 1.8 firmware's speaker configuration. If so, is it still there in 1.9 (and later!) and does it also appear in the XMC-2 too? Can anyone please confirm that re-purposing the Front Width (or other) XLR outputs can be used to passively bi-amp, to avoid Y-cables, as above and that this is definitely a configurable option on the XMC-2. Thanks XMC-2 Menu Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1 or 2:: Size:: Front Width:: None/Lg Front Width/Sm Front Width/Bi Amp Front Great! Thanks for the quick reply! I know that passive bi-amping is electrically identical to single wiring as no active crossovers are involved, but I have two XPA-5 to run a 7.1 system so have three spare amp channels and have bi-wireable LCR speakers so may as well use them! I guess I will continue to use a Y-cable for the centre channel as custom channel configuration in the XMC / RMCSSP's to bi-amp the centre in a similar way doesn't exist as an option. |
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Post by ttocs on Apr 20, 2020 3:54:49 GMT -5
XMC-2 Menu Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1 or 2:: Size:: Front Width:: None/Lg Front Width/Sm Front Width/Bi Amp Front Great! Thanks for the quick reply! I know that passive bi-amping is electrically identical to single wiring as no active crossovers are involved, but I have two XPA-5 to run a 7.1 system so have three spare amp channels and have bi-wireable LCR speakers so may as well use them! I guess I will continue to use a Y-cable for the centre channel as custom channel configuration in the XMC / RMCSSP's to bi-amp the centre in a similar way doesn't exist as an option. I ran my previous speakers Passively Bi-Amped for the improved response it provided. It doesn't provide improvement in every case, or at low volume levels. But, in my case separating the electrostatic panel from the cone woofer by giving each its own amp channel provided sonic improvement that was easily demonstrable, albeit at higher than conversation-level volume. I briefly tried bi-wiring but was not able to discern an improvement. |
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