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Post by emotifan on Dec 30, 2019 16:23:42 GMT -5
The subject title says it all I guess. Anyone (upgrade?) from an XPA-2 Gen 2 to the new HC-1 s? I'm curious because it's unique in two ways. It's a monoblock and class H.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 30, 2019 17:01:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't do it.
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Post by audiosyndrome on Dec 30, 2019 17:27:17 GMT -5
Class A/B with a class H power supply.
Russ
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Post by routlaw on Dec 30, 2019 18:21:13 GMT -5
I humbly disagree and would do it in a heartbeat based upon my experience with the DR-1's compared to the XPA-1 Gen 2. |
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Post by Cogito on Dec 30, 2019 19:48:53 GMT -5
It's not an upgrade in my opinion. The XPA-2 Gen. 2 is a very capable amp with solid build quality. The question to ask is, "What do I expect to gain with the HC-1s" and is it worth the expense?
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Post by garbulky on Dec 30, 2019 22:14:54 GMT -5
I humbly disagree and would do it in a heartbeat based upon my experience with the DR-1's compared to the XPA-1 Gen 2. Yeah but it's not a DR-1 or a DR-2. It is a single channel XPA-2 gen 3. I have not heard the DR series, but I have heard the XPA-2 gen 3 and that's what I'm basing my impressions on. |
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Post by repeetavx on Dec 31, 2019 4:47:06 GMT -5
Exactly. The HC-1 is a single blade from the gen. 3 multichannel parts bin. Put in it's own box with it's own power supply. It will have a lot of headroom power, but it still will only have 6 output devices. Compared to the XMC-2 gen 2s twelve output devices (per channel). |
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Post by daveczski65 on Dec 31, 2019 19:05:54 GMT -5
I am looking at these amps for a dedicated 2 channel setup,,i am up in the air,,2-HC-1s are 1299,99 with the eggnog special,,but the XPA-2 is only 1049.00,
Will the monoblocks be better? Or the XPA_2 ? will be running them into Tekton Electron SE?
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 31, 2019 19:24:42 GMT -5
Those Tekton's are very efficient. At best you'll hear a subtle difference, but the out of pocket expense between a G2 and those will be anything but subtle. I'd spend the money elsewhere - like a tube preamp, or try another amp line entirely. The Gen 3 stuff is nice, but just not attractive at the prices they're asking.
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Post by daveczski65 on Jan 1, 2020 11:33:51 GMT -5
Thank you for your advice..What amp line would u suggest?
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Post by daveczski65 on Jan 1, 2020 11:44:37 GMT -5
Maybe the PA-1s will wrk just fine ,seeing as the speakers are so efficent?
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Post by davidl81 on Jan 1, 2020 14:04:09 GMT -5
I went from the XPA-2 G2 to a DR-2. At first the difference was fairly small. I then switched my processor from the AV8802A to the fully balanced RMC-1 and my amp/speakers have come to life. I have no idea if the XPA-2 would sound as good as my DR-2 does now, but I truly love my current setup.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 2, 2020 11:49:21 GMT -5
Thank you for your advice..What amp line would u suggest? Sorry, I mistakenly merged your question with the OP's question concerning his Gen2 amp. In your case (and going Gen3), since the price is so close, I'd probably suggest the HC-1's if you're going to buy new. However the PA-1's you mentioned are a great option since you're speakers are so efficient. Garbulky likes them a lot. I would also recommend you consider going used and getting a Gen1 or Gen2 amp over the Gen3. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 2, 2020 17:04:13 GMT -5
Thank you for your advice..What amp line would u suggest? Sorry, I mistakenly merged your question with the OP's question concerning his Gen2 amp. In your case (and going Gen3), since the price is so close, I'd probably suggest the HC-1's if you're going to buy new. However the PA-1's you mentioned are a great option since you're speakers are so efficient. Garbulky likes them a lot. I would also recommend you consider going used and getting a Gen1 or Gen2 amp over the Gen3. I love the pa1 but imo it’s not an upgrade to his xpa2 gen 2. The xpa2 has a tad bit more slam but they are close. If you were interested in saving space the pa1 is a great option but if you are not, I think you have all the amp you need:). Btw, tektons sound really nice with it. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 2, 2020 18:18:29 GMT -5
I love the pa1 but imo it’s not an upgrade to his xpa2 gen 2. The xpa2 has a tad bit more slam but they are close. If you were interested in saving space the pa1 is a great option but if you are not, I think you have all the amp you need:). Btw, tektons sound really nice with it. You made the same mistake I made - emotifan is the OP with the XPA2 gen 2, however this question came from within the thread by daveczski65 who does not have an XPA2 gen 2, however is debating between an XPA2 gen3 or HC-1. |
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Post by daveczski65 on Jan 2, 2020 18:21:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I mistakenly merged your question with the OP's question concerning his Gen2 amp. In your case (and going Gen3), since the price is so close, I'd probably suggest the HC-1's if you're going to buy new. However the PA-1's you mentioned are a great option since you're speakers are so efficient. Garbulky likes them a lot. I would also recommend you consider going used and getting a Gen1 or Gen2 amp over the Gen3. I love the pa1 but imo it’s not an upgrade to his xpa2 gen 2. The xpa2 has a tad bit more slam but they are close. If you were interested in saving space the pa1 is a great option but if you are not, I think you have all the amp you need:). Btw, tektons sound really nice with it. I had read in another thread that you had liked the PA-1s alot,,I also have a DC-1 that i would pair them with,,But the HC-1s have alot more power and would think the slam would be better? Thanks for your input.. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 3, 2020 0:51:54 GMT -5
I love the pa1 but imo it’s not an upgrade to his xpa2 gen 2. The xpa2 has a tad bit more slam but they are close. If you were interested in saving space the pa1 is a great option but if you are not, I think you have all the amp you need:). Btw, tektons sound really nice with it. I had read in another thread that you had liked the PA-1s alot,,I also have a DC-1 that i would pair them with,,But the HC-1s have alot more power and would think the slam would be better? Thanks for your input.. I think the PA-1 sounds a lot better than the XPA-2 gen 3 (which is basically an HC-1 with two modules). But your XPA-2 gen 2 is very good. It's almost at the same level as the XPA-1 gen 2 which is the best amp I've heard. And imo the XPA-2 gen 2 sounds a lot better than the XPA-2 gen 3 (which is almost the same as the HC-1). The only thing the XPA-2 gen 3 did for me was that it did have impressive slam. But that was about it. My friend and I preferred the Bas-x A-300 over the XPA-2 gen 3. Meanwhile the XPA-2 gen 2 is a VERY good amp, near the best you can get imo. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 3, 2020 2:21:01 GMT -5
I love the pa1 but imo it’s not an upgrade to his xpa2 gen 2. The xpa2 has a tad bit more slam but they are close. If you were interested in saving space the pa1 is a great option but if you are not, I think you have all the amp you need:). Btw, tektons sound really nice with it. I had read in another thread that you had liked the PA-1s alot,,I also have a DC-1 that i would pair them with,,But the HC-1s have alot more power and would think the slam would be better? Thanks for your input.. Hi Dave. I didn't realize that you were not the OP and that you don't already have the XPA-2 gen 2. So.... the PA-1's do have slam. So do the XPA-2 gen 3 (which is very similar to the HC-1). I hesitate to tell you which has more, because I never thought they were serious differentiators in the slam area. I personally don't think the XPA-2 gen 3 was all that good and found it to be probably my least favorite Emotiva amp. Having said that Emotiva has never made a bad amp, so all their amps do sound good. But it's something that I would not spend my money on. However I certainly would spend my money on the PA-1's. For most speakers they sound fantastic. I would give it a skip though if you are trying to drive very inefficient speakers, maggies, or electrostats. Hope that all made sense. |
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Post by ceptorman on Jan 3, 2020 8:56:55 GMT -5
After reading this thread a few times, I'm probably going to keep using my XPA-2 G2 instead of a pair of HC-1 mono blocks. My original thought was getting another XPA-2 G2 and using them in mono block mode, but my power hungry speakers might prove difficult with twin XPA-2s. It sounds like I won't hear much difference going to HC-1s, but the thought of mono blocks still excites me!
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 3, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't bridge a 2 channel amp - they just never sound as good as a monoblock. You'd be better off biamp'ing if that's the route you really wanted to go, imo. However if your speakers are power hungry and you're looking to make a change, I'd look for a used pair of XPA-1's or 1L's. The differences will be pretty small, though, over your XPA-2. However upgrading is addictive in this hobby...
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