Lsc
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Post by Lsc on Mar 21, 2020 4:02:58 GMT -5
Will this Emotiva Dirac Live Network Interface (EDLNI) require firmware updates and if so how would that be done? Do we need it send it back and have it reflashed?
I’m coming from the perspective of how EDLNI would work when Dirac Live Bass Management is rolled out for $249 or $399?
Maybe I don’t understand the functionality and what I’m asking isn’t making sense and EDLNI can handle Dirac Live Bass Management as is.
Also, I’m assuming this now needs to be manufactured, packaged and shipped. Well this explains why we weren’t offered to beta test Dirac - wouldn’t make sense and wouldn’t be possible without this interface.
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Post by htnut1975 on Mar 21, 2020 8:17:55 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get some pics of the prototype? How big of a box is it going to be?
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Post by petew on Mar 21, 2020 9:47:35 GMT -5
What does the black box do? Do I understand correctly that there is no connection to the processor other than via Ethernet? What could possibly have been left out of the processor architecture to necessitate a kludge like this? I've heard of " bodge wire" but this is ridiculous. |
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Post by rxw on Mar 21, 2020 10:22:42 GMT -5
What does the black box do? Do I understand correctly that there is no connection to the processor other than via Ethernet? What could possibly have been left out of the processor architecture to necessitate a kludge like this? I've heard of " bodge wire" but this is ridiculous. Re read the first post. My take on it is the Dirac software used on the computer talks to the 'black box' and the 'black box' will talk to the processor to load all of the required filters. Integration into the new platform obviously hasn't gone 100% as planed but in reality its not that big of a deal. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 21, 2020 10:41:40 GMT -5
Can’t wait!
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 21, 2020 11:29:48 GMT -5
What does the black box do? Do I understand correctly that there is no connection to the processor other than via Ethernet? What could possibly have been left out of the processor architecture to necessitate a kludge like this? I've heard of " bodge wire" but this is ridiculous. Don't use it. No one is forcing you. |
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Post by andersmi on Mar 21, 2020 11:31:34 GMT -5
When we started work on designing the RMC-1, and our entire line of new processors, our goal was to deliver the best possible performance and sound quality for our customers. One of the ways we chose to help us make that goal a reality was to incorporate the latest generation of powerful, cutting-edge DSP processors. Based on the information we had when we started the project, and the fact that the Dirac software was already being incorporated into other processors that use older technology, we didn't expect it to be especially difficult to include the code required to support Dirac Live automatic room correction into our new line of processors. Unfortunately, that turned out not to be the case, and integrating Dirac Live into the RMC-1 family turned out to be a much bigger project than we'd initially anticipated, which has been the reason for all the delays. The final result of our labor has been the development of a small external hardware module, the Emotiva Dirac Live Network Interface, which facilitates communication between our processor and the Dirac Live software installed on your computer. It is a small device, with its own processor and code, that is connected to your network when you perform your Dirac Live room calibrations on your processor. It only has to be connected to your network when you're actually taking measurements, or using the Dirac software to create a new Dirac Live profile, and doesn't have to be connected when you're simply using your processor. Since it is an integral part of using Dirac Live with your RMC-1, RMC-1L, or XMC-2 processor, we will be providing it to our customers at no charge as part of the Dirac Live calibration package that comes with your unit. (Customers who have already received their processor will receive the new hardware at the same time as their Dirac Live license.) Connecting the device to your network is very simple, it won't take up much space in your closet when you're not using it, we think the results are worth it, and we're sure you'll agree. The Emotiva Processor Development Team Hi Nick. Will you ship this for free to all users including countries outside of US. |
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 21, 2020 12:14:37 GMT -5
I am wondering how long until these boxes are manufactured? Or are they already made and ready to ship out?
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Post by megash0n on Mar 21, 2020 12:14:56 GMT -5
What does the black box do? Do I understand correctly that there is no connection to the processor other than via Ethernet? What could possibly have been left out of the processor architecture to necessitate a kludge like this? I've heard of " bodge wire" but this is ridiculous. Don't use it. No one is forcing you. They haven't confirmed this, but it seems pretty clear that code development for their chosen DSP was more difficult and costly than building a small platform that already has code and services support. It isn't so much "what was left out" as it is "how to integrate". Just be glad they figured out a way to get it out, because my fear was constant misery of code revisions to integrate their DSP with Dirac. |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 21, 2020 12:56:00 GMT -5
Don't use it. No one is forcing you. They haven't confirmed this, but it seems pretty clear that code development for their chosen DSP was more difficult and costly than building a small platform that already has code and services support. It isn't so much "what was left out" as it is "how to integrate". Just be glad they figured out a way to get it out, because my fear was constant misery of code revisions to integrate their DSP with Dirac. Emotiva relied on promises others made. They went for sound quality and achieved that, with some possible minor software issues still in the way of complete stability, and now are integrating a solution to keep sound quality and implement Dirac. It's a win-win, with a lot of work behind it. |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 21, 2020 13:08:08 GMT -5
They haven't confirmed this, but it seems pretty clear that code development for their chosen DSP was more difficult and costly than building a small platform that already has code and services support. It isn't so much "what was left out" as it is "how to integrate". Just be glad they figured out a way to get it out, because my fear was constant misery of code revisions to integrate their DSP with Dirac. Emotiva relied on promises others made. They went for sound quality and achieved that, with some possible minor software issues still in the way of complete stability, and now are integrating a solution to keep sound quality and implement Dirac. It's a win-win, with a lot of work behind it. I agree. It is less than ideal for them I'd say, but I see it as a good thing as well. As long as there is no loss of functionality. |
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Post by SteveInNC on Mar 21, 2020 13:09:10 GMT -5
I recently purchased a second-hand, NIB XMC-2 over on AVS and the seller emailed my info to Emotiva for the warranty transfer. Will I receive the "little black box" or will it be sent to the original owner or neither? Thanks!
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Post by megash0n on Mar 21, 2020 13:15:38 GMT -5
I recently purchased a second-hand, NIB XMC-2 over on AVS and the seller emailed my info to Emotiva for the warranty transfer. Will I receive the "little black box" or will it be sent to the original owner or neither? Thanks! You are obviously going to want to email and/or call support with your serial number and information. Stay in front of it. Don't rely on this board for any firm answers for things like this. |
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Post by sahmen on Mar 21, 2020 13:18:05 GMT -5
I recently purchased a second-hand, NIB XMC-2 over on AVS and the seller emailed my info to Emotiva for the warranty transfer. Will I receive the "little black box" or will it be sent to the original owner or neither? Thanks! It would probably come to you, as long as the warranty has been transferred. However, it would be best to give them a call to confirm this, and ensure that they have your shipping address correct and attached to your own black box. It seems like an easy thing that is worth doing, as a precaution, to forestall any possibility of unwanted "human" error in this case. PS : I see that megash0n beat me to it. I agree with him completely, of course. |
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Post by SteveInNC on Mar 21, 2020 13:36:17 GMT -5
Thanks megashOn & sahmen
Yeah, that was a dumb question to ask here. Just got a little excited I guess lol. I’ll definitely follow up directly with Emotiva. Thanks!
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Post by consul on Mar 21, 2020 15:16:33 GMT -5
The Dirac Live Network Interface will be a little black box with an Ethernet connection.
It will have to be connected to the same network segment as your RMC-1 or XMC-2 by a wired connection. (Remember that the processor requires a wired Ethernet connection or equivalent.) If the hardware design is not already finalized, may be any chance to obtain it with PoE power supply? Best, Alexander |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 21, 2020 16:27:34 GMT -5
Thanks megashOn & sahmen Yeah, that was a dumb question to ask here. Just got a little excited I guess lol. I’ll definitely follow up directly with Emotiva. Thanks! I don't think it was dumb at all, and I hope my response didn't come off as harsh or prickish. My only point was that it matters not what any of us say. Even Emotiva commenting on here. Be safe and go directly to the source. |
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Post by bluescale on Mar 21, 2020 22:03:19 GMT -5
What could possibly have been left out of the processor architecture to necessitate a kludge like this? I've heard of " bodge wire" but this is ridiculous. What an odd reaction to this news. Keep in mind, Emotiva was one of the first brands to produce a platform compatible with Dirac. Since they settled on their platform, Dirac released Dirac 2.0, which obviously changed the landscape under Emotiva's feet. Rather than scrap everything and start over, they found a different solution. Now, if it doesn't work well, then negativity and criticism will be well-founded. If everything integrates well, then who cares? |
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Post by SteveInNC on Mar 22, 2020 1:06:09 GMT -5
Thanks megashOn & sahmen Yeah, that was a dumb question to ask here. Just got a little excited I guess lol. I’ll definitely follow up directly with Emotiva. Thanks! I don't think it was dumb at all, and I hope my response didn't come off as harsh or prickish. My only point was that it matters not what any of us say. Even Emotiva commenting on here. Be safe and go directly to the source. I didn’t take it that way at all. I took it as friendly, good advice. From what I seen so far, this board is loaded with a bunch of great people. I look forward to learning from you guys. Thanks again. |
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Post by tagmanz on Mar 22, 2020 4:25:36 GMT -5
They haven't confirmed this, but it seems pretty clear that code development for their chosen DSP was more difficult and costly than building a small platform that already has code and services support. Emotiva stated above that this new interface would only be required during the measurement and communication phase with the Dirac servers. It can be removed once the filters have been calculated and downloaded to the AVP. To me this indicates the interface box is in addition to and not a replacement for DSP code development. The DSP is still very much in the driver's seat when it comes to processing the audio using the pre calculated EQ filters. It's more likely the interface box was required as the measurement and/or communication cycle with Dirac servers proved too taxing for the CPU, DSP and/or communication bus in the AVP. This of course is per speculation and based on nothing more than an educated guess. I am pleased for all current owners of the RMC family of processors that it looks like Emotiva have found a way to deliver Dirac but it is of some concern to me as a prospective buyer that an external interface such as this is required. I hope Emotiva can share with us what it is that this interface actually does. |
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