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Post by megash0n on Mar 22, 2020 7:12:24 GMT -5
They haven't confirmed this, but it seems pretty clear that code development for their chosen DSP was more difficult and costly than building a small platform that already has code and services support. Emotiva stated above that this new interface would only be required during the measurement and communication phase with the Dirac servers. It can be removed once the filters have been calculated and downloaded to the AVP. To me this indicates the interface box is in addition to and not a replacement for DSP code development. The DSP is still very much in the driver's seat when it comes to processing the audio using the pre calculated EQ filters. It's more likely the interface box was required as the measurement and/or communication cycle with Dirac servers proved too taxing for the CPU, DSP and/or communication bus in the AVP. This of course is per speculation and based on nothing more than an educated guess. I am pleased for all current owners of the RMC family of processors that it looks like Emotiva have found a way to deliver Dirac but it is of some concern to me as a prospective buyer that an external interface such as this is required. I hope Emotiva can share with us what it is that this interface actually does. I've been back and forth on this after writing. I cant imagine this being too taxing. Maybe it is. Maybe the option was to waste an upgrade module, but that would only work for the RMC-1, so they needed a one size fits all solution. Secondly option..its network interface related. |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 22, 2020 7:23:56 GMT -5
Is this group really going to belabor the use of a dongle? Seriously?
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Post by jonstatt on Mar 22, 2020 7:37:31 GMT -5
Is this group really going to belabor the use of a dongle? Seriously? Indeed. But in these difficult times, I do wonder how long this dongle will take to get to me in the UK considering that it was bought from a dealer and Emotiva have no idea who or where I am. I expect that a number of these modules will have to work their way to the UK distributor, to the dealership, to me which the way things are will probably take months. So the frustration over the dongle is more that it creates a logistical issue and time delay than if all it needed was a firmware update. |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 22, 2020 7:38:49 GMT -5
Is this group really going to belabor the use of a dongle? Seriously? Right? For me, I'm simply curious as to the why. I'm curious what parts this offloads to the black box. I do think the why was important to give because the door is open for a lot of speculation positive and negative. I mean.. It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 22, 2020 7:45:47 GMT -5
I too am curious as to the how and why. Maybe Keith can give us more detail.
I am excited that it’s almost here.
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Post by kahodges1721 on Mar 22, 2020 7:48:56 GMT -5
Is this group really going to belabor the use of a dongle? Seriously? Right? For me, I'm simply curious as to the why. I'm curious what parts this offloads to the black box. I do think the why was important to give because the door is open for a lot of speculation positive and negative. I mean.. It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 I have a guess but only a guess. If I recall there was a statement about the processor used in the devices causing some hiccups. Could it be the black box is a way to offload the measurements into a easier processor solution for Dirac then passes the info in a way that the rmc can handle it? This would seem logical if that’s the case and a smart move by emotiva in order to get Dirac working within a realistic timeframe |
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Post by hytram on Mar 22, 2020 8:01:10 GMT -5
The world is basically shutting down...
I don't see us getting any box any time soon, especially us OS.
3rd quarter I will be guessing.
I have a crap sounding room and rely on Digital room correction to sort things out, that why I went with a AVP with Dirac..
Emotiva, please send me details on how I get a refund, a have had enough
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Post by hytram on Mar 22, 2020 8:03:49 GMT -5
It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 And with Emotiva, there is a lot to complain about.. This is not a cheap product, it's actually and bloody expensive product. 'Please wait' Sorry, waited long enough |
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Post by kahodges1721 on Mar 22, 2020 8:05:46 GMT -5
The world is basically shutting down... I don't see us getting any box any time soon, especially us OS. 3rd quarter I will be guessing. I have a crap sounding room and rely on Digital room correction to sort things out, that why I went with a AVP with Dirac.. Emotiva, please send me details on how I get a refund, a have had enough Are you really blaming emotiva “if” they have a delay due to a pandemic like we are currently seeing? Wow I think the forums will be better served without you. |
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Post by marcl on Mar 22, 2020 8:07:23 GMT -5
Right? For me, I'm simply curious as to the why. I'm curious what parts this offloads to the black box. I do think the why was important to give because the door is open for a lot of speculation positive and negative. I mean.. It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 I have a guess but only a guess. If I recall there was a statement about the processor used in the devices causing some hiccups. Could it be the black box is a way to offload the measurements into a easier processor solution for Dirac then passes the info in a way that the rmc can handle it? This would seem logical if that’s the case and a smart move by emotiva in order to get Dirac working within a realistic timeframe No complaints from me on the implementation. Looking forward to getting Dirac back since my XMC-1 tradein. I'm only puzzled because as I understood the XMC-1 Dirac process, the Dirac PC software communicated with the processor to run the test sweeps but data collected stayed in the PC and was uploaded to Dirac in Sweden. In order to maintain secrecy of the filter design algorithms, Dirac analyzes the data on their server and downloads filter parameters to the PC which in turn sends the filter parameters to the processor ... once. There is no ongoing/complex processing between the PC and the RMC/XMC. |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 22, 2020 8:10:49 GMT -5
Is this group really going to belabor the use of a dongle? Seriously? Right? For me, I'm simply curious as to the why. I'm curious what parts this offloads to the black box. I do think the why was important to give because the door is open for a lot of speculation positive and negative. I mean.. It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 I hear you. I have the same intellectual curiosity. I like to know why. Sometimes, I'm not going to get that answer. Just sayin'  I don't see the legitimate room for negative speculation. It's just a dongle. It's a solution. I had to order a couple of cat 6 cables this morning. They may not come till the end of April. It is what it is. There are more serious issues in the world today. What if I needed a couple of truck loads of TP and pallets of bottled water?! Just thinking - If I deep fry those TP rolls and put some frosting on them,,, DOH! NUTS! /S |
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Post by kahodges1721 on Mar 22, 2020 8:10:59 GMT -5
I have a guess but only a guess. If I recall there was a statement about the processor used in the devices causing some hiccups. Could it be the black box is a way to offload the measurements into a easier processor solution for Dirac then passes the info in a way that the rmc can handle it? This would seem logical if that’s the case and a smart move by emotiva in order to get Dirac working within a realistic timeframe No complaints from me on the implementation. Looking forward to getting Dirac back since my XMC-1 tradein. I'm only puzzled because as I understood the XMC-1 Dirac process, the Dirac PC software communicated with the processor to run the test sweeps but data collected stayed in the PC and was uploaded to Dirac in Sweden. In order to maintain secrecy of the filter design algorithms, Dirac analyzes the data on their server and downloads filter parameters to the PC which in turn sends the filter parameters to the processor ... once. There is no ongoing/complex processing between the PC and the RMC/XMC. Yeah I believe you are right. I swear I remember a post stating that the processor used in the rmc was suppose to be more or less plug in play for Dirac but something changed and made it such that the entire code needed to be changed to work with the processor and caused this huge delay. Maybe I’m just crazy but I’m too lazy to dig through all the post to find it lol. Switching to an easy button processor in the form of a dongle if my guess is accurate would then seem very logical and effective |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 22, 2020 8:16:33 GMT -5
It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 And with Emotiva, there is a lot to complain about.. This is not a cheap product, it's actually and bloody expensive product. 'Please wait' Sorry, waited long enough Don't let the door hit you in the a__ |
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Post by hytram on Mar 22, 2020 8:26:13 GMT -5
The world is basically shutting down... I don't see us getting any box any time soon, especially us OS. 3rd quarter I will be guessing. I have a crap sounding room and rely on Digital room correction to sort things out, that why I went with a AVP with Dirac.. Emotiva, please send me details on how I get a refund, a have had enough Are you really blaming emotiva “if” they have a delay due to a pandemic like we are currently seeing? Wow I think the forums will be better served without you. No I am blaming Emotiva for not having a solution last year. But I am more blaming myself for spending so much on a product that I was warned about not delivering and didn't listen. Mate, as soon as I get a refund I won't let the door hit me on the *bleep* on the way out.. But until then, you're stuck with me, suck it up |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 22, 2020 8:32:34 GMT -5
Are you really blaming emotiva “if” they have a delay due to a pandemic like we are currently seeing? Wow I think the forums will be better served without you. No I am blaming Emotiva for not having a solution last year. But I am more blaming myself for spending so much on a product that I was warned about not delivering and didn't listen. Mate, as soon as I get a refund I won't let the door hit me on the *bleep* on the way out.. But until then, you're stuck with me, suck it up Cookie? |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 22, 2020 9:04:50 GMT -5
It doesn't take long on these boards to learn there is a group of people that will complain at every turn. Just saying 😉 And with Emotiva, there is a lot to complain about.. This is not a cheap product, it's actually and bloody expensive product. 'Please wait' Sorry, waited long enough I agree that there are reasons to be upset. There are some that are so upset that nothing Emotiva does will be sufficient aside from curing cancer. They are what they are. The company is not likely to change how they run their business. If you have found yourself so unhappy.. You should probably vote with your wallet and return the product. Nothing will change a company faster than losing money. Otherwise, you're just bitching constantly. That's my opinion. Again, there's a lot to be frustrated about, but many things to be happy about as well. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 22, 2020 9:56:20 GMT -5
Are you really blaming emotiva “if” they have a delay due to a pandemic like we are currently seeing? Wow I think the forums will be better served without you. No I am blaming Emotiva for not having a solution last year. But I am more blaming myself for spending so much on a product that I was warned about not delivering and didn't listen. Mate, as soon as I get a refund I won't let the door hit me on the *bleep* on the way out.. But until then, you're stuck with me, suck it up Your going to have to contact Emotiva directly if you want a refund. Posting here will not help you in that. |
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Post by Percussionista on Mar 22, 2020 9:57:38 GMT -5
I don't see the extra "dongle" as a problem at all. Rather than make major changes inside the boxes, the new functionality can be encapsulated in the dongle, and if a major change to DIRAC comes down the road, only the dongle might have to change (if it has to). There are other examples of functionality encapsulated outside the "box", from extensions to sound-cards to more basic stuff like power bricks, each with their own reason, but like audio separates allows things to change without having to change a whole box.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 22, 2020 10:39:58 GMT -5
Are you really blaming emotiva “if” they have a delay due to a pandemic like we are currently seeing? Wow I think the forums will be better served without you. No I am blaming Emotiva for not having a solution last year. But I am more blaming myself for spending so much on a product that I was warned about not delivering and didn't listen. Mate, as soon as I get a refund I won't let the door hit me on the *bleep* on the way out.. But until then, you're stuck with me, suck it up Actually, nobody is “stuck” with you. We all have an option to turn off your posts. Please be kind to all of us and we shall return same. Peace! |
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Post by Jessica on Mar 22, 2020 11:22:25 GMT -5
Is this group really going to belabor the use of a dongle? Seriously? Indeed. But in these difficult times, I do wonder how long this dongle will take to get to me in the UK considering that it was bought from a dealer and Emotiva have no idea who or where I am. I expect that a number of these modules will have to work their way to the UK distributor, to the dealership, to me which the way things are will probably take months. So the frustration over the dongle is more that it creates a logistical issue and time delay than if all it needed was a firmware update. Hi John, We don't have all the logistics sorted out mainly because of the global pandemic, and you're right, there are a lot of unknowns at the moment regarding timing which is out of our control. I will say we've done hardware upgrades for our XMC-1 processors, and we dealt with our international customers directly for that, even the ones that purchased from a distributor. So we'll likely do something similar. Please reach out to us to register your product at sales@emotiva.com, and also elect into our email marketing for when we have news to share. |
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