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Post by Stephen Park on Sept 10, 2020 20:04:12 GMT -5
I'll test it out. I can reliably make the XMC-2 lockup when ethernet is plugged in. Not sure what it matters though... functionally is there a difference if the unit is completely frozen, or if I have to wait many seconds/minutes between commands? When it goes into that state where it gets locked up (or maybe slow as you said), I have no audio. Do you have CEC enabled? I still can get slow volume and menu response when using ARC AND while the video is paused. Once video is unpaused the slowness, if it is happening because it's not every time, goes back to normal. Since I don't need ARC or CEC I keep CEC disabled completely, nothing in CEC is selected. I only enabled it to test some things. CEC should be removed from consumer electronics. Even when I had several Panasonic devices including a Plasma tv, the Panasonic DVD player could not talk to the Panasonic tv from the same series via Viera Link (CEC). ARC on the other hand is a good idea for those who need it, but should only be used for its main purpose - to get audio from the tv to the preamp. No volume, no input switching, etc. It should be as simple as using the tv remote to control the tv app, then selecting the ARC Input on the preamp and using its remote to control the volume. No cross-platform craziness. CEC... it is really pain in the a*s. I don't know what is connection between ARC and CEC...? Just ARC is audio, CEC is command.... Why ARC must have CEC...? I need only ARC but not CEC...! My RMC also get slowdown when turn on ARC and CEC (anyway it always together). I was jump on the RMC yesterday for down volume with volume nob at night because I didn't pay attention to push volume up button while I talked on the phone.... because remote responding very slowly.. like 5 second for per command.... even I throw remote already, volume continue to go up and up until -5! At night! Judas Priest was playing...!! Fortunately, main volume is working.... I was perplexed and get very upset... This is not a first time this happened. I haven't had this kind of "Slow response" error when I use other processor...! Really RMC drives me crazy bit by bit. When I reach my limit, probably I throw my RMC through the window.
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 10, 2020 20:57:51 GMT -5
Do you have CEC enabled? I still can get slow volume and menu response when using ARC AND while the video is paused. Once video is unpaused the slowness, if it is happening because it's not every time, goes back to normal. Since I don't need ARC or CEC I keep CEC disabled completely, nothing in CEC is selected. I only enabled it to test some things. CEC should be removed from consumer electronics. Even when I had several Panasonic devices including a Plasma tv, the Panasonic DVD player could not talk to the Panasonic tv from the same series via Viera Link (CEC). ARC on the other hand is a good idea for those who need it, but should only be used for its main purpose - to get audio from the tv to the preamp. No volume, no input switching, etc. It should be as simple as using the tv remote to control the tv app, then selecting the ARC Input on the preamp and using its remote to control the volume. No cross-platform craziness. CEC... it is really pain in the a*s. I don't know what is connection between ARC and CEC...? Just ARC is audio, CEC is command.... Why ARC must have CEC...? I need only ARC but not CEC...! My RMC also get slowdown when turn on ARC and CEC (anyway it always together). I was jump on the RMC yesterday for down volume with volume nob at night because I didn't pay attention to push volume up button while I talked on the phone.... because remote responding very slowly.. like 5 second for per command.... even I throw remote already, volume continue to go up and up until -5! At night! Judas Priest was playing...!! Fortunately, main volume is working.... I was perplexed and get very upset... This is not a first time this happened. I haven't had this kind of "Slow response" error when I use other processor...! Really RMC drives me crazy bit by bit. When I reach my limit, probably I throw my RMC through the window. HDMI-ARC uses HDMI-CEC for discovery and pairing between the two devices. There’s no getting around that. The concept itself isn’t the problem, but rather how manufacturers implement CEC and how much they allow (or won’t allow) consumers to manipulate it. eARC, on the other hand, has its own dedicated channels and does not rely on CEC whatsoever. The current problem with eARC is that most of the early implementations still have CEC and eARC bound together even though they can be (and should be) completely independent from each other.
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Post by ttocs on Sept 10, 2020 21:02:53 GMT -5
Do you have CEC enabled? I still can get slow volume and menu response when using ARC AND while the video is paused. Once video is unpaused the slowness, if it is happening because it's not every time, goes back to normal. Since I don't need ARC or CEC I keep CEC disabled completely, nothing in CEC is selected. I only enabled it to test some things. CEC should be removed from consumer electronics. Even when I had several Panasonic devices including a Plasma tv, the Panasonic DVD player could not talk to the Panasonic tv from the same series via Viera Link (CEC). ARC on the other hand is a good idea for those who need it, but should only be used for its main purpose - to get audio from the tv to the preamp. No volume, no input switching, etc. It should be as simple as using the tv remote to control the tv app, then selecting the ARC Input on the preamp and using its remote to control the volume. No cross-platform craziness. I don't know what is connection between ARC and CEC...? Just ARC is audio, CEC is command.... Why ARC must have CEC...? I need only ARC but not CEC...! I don't know what the connection is between ARC and CEC. All I know is that with my tv I must have HDMI CEC Enabled AND Audio To TV Enabled on the processor or it will not work.
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Post by vmbray on Sept 10, 2020 21:05:36 GMT -5
It's a little disheartening that we should all consider a $10 external HDMI switcher to bypass the Emotiva $3-5K Surround Sound Processor's internal switching and just use the XMC/RMC for one connection in, one connection out with no tailored configuration per input. It’s a thought I’ve had. Had same sort of issues with the denon that the xmc2 replaced so whatever if it needs a splitter from xchina then so be it.
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Post by The Praetorian on Sept 11, 2020 6:16:55 GMT -5
Hi, I got my dirac Kit last weekend here in Germany. Fw 2.1 , dirac all is running as it should be ! The new dirac Version is very good, sounds very good (depending to your target curve). There are a few questions: Is it possible to setup a specific dirac slot to a source or only for example "preset 1 and STEREO" ? In the dirac PC Softwre , you always work with one ! target setting and you can`t switch between the tree slot directly ? Right ? (On the left side there are the three slots and when you move over it, it says " Quick select with (1)" but if i click it, nothing happens. Keith: It`s time now for a modern Android/IOS/Windows APP ! :-) Markus Did you get the kit from MD-Sound?
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Post by aswiss on Sept 11, 2020 6:17:06 GMT -5
My LG 65E6 does not support HiRes Audio - so no reason to use ARC at all. I bought a NVidia Shield TV 2019, direct attached to RMC-1 and Netflix and other apps just work fine with Atmos, Dolby Vision etc. I prefer to have all devices attached as a Input - ARC for me was also only partially working on my SC-LX79 I had before the RMC-1. The shield is not expensive - so I don't understand why so many people spend hours in get it working with ARC.
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Post by aswiss on Sept 11, 2020 6:19:13 GMT -5
Hi, I got my dirac Kit last weekend here in Germany. Fw 2.1 , dirac all is running as it should be ! The new dirac Version is very good, sounds very good (depending to your target curve). There are a few questions: Is it possible to setup a specific dirac slot to a source or only for example "preset 1 and STEREO" ? In the dirac PC Softwre , you always work with one ! target setting and you can`t switch between the tree slot directly ? Right ? (On the left side there are the three slots and when you move over it, it says " Quick select with (1)" but if i click it, nothing happens. Keith: It`s time now for a modern Android/IOS/Windows APP ! :-) Markus Did you get the kit from MD-Sound?
I don't think so - he exchanged XMC-1 to XMC-2 and got it direct. According to David from MD, they should arrive within next 2 weeks in Germany - and then sent out to customers.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 11, 2020 7:19:00 GMT -5
My LG 65E6 does not support HiRes Audio - so no reason to use ARC at all. I bought a NVidia Shield TV 2019, direct attached to RMC-1 and Netflix and other apps just work fine with Atmos, Dolby Vision etc. I prefer to have all devices attached as a Input - ARC for me was also only partially working on my SC-LX79 I had before the RMC-1. The shield is not expensive - so I don't understand why so many people spend hours in get it working with ARC. agree
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 11, 2020 8:41:21 GMT -5
My LG 65E6 does not support HiRes Audio - so no reason to use ARC at all. I bought a NVidia Shield TV 2019, direct attached to RMC-1 and Netflix and other apps just work fine with Atmos, Dolby Vision etc. I prefer to have all devices attached as a Input - ARC for me was also only partially working on my SC-LX79 I had before the RMC-1. The shield is not expensive - so I don't understand why so many people spend hours in get it working with ARC. I would say for most, it comes down to economics, less complexity and a matter of convenience. For those who already have very nice and fully capable "smart" TVs, they don't want (or need to invest in) another external device to give them what their TV already does. Some of the newer TVs based on AndroidTV OS are just as well equipped and as powerful as the 2019 Shield Tube, so why pay the additional $150 (US)...? Additionally, since no "streaming app" (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, etc...) streams audio in any format other than Dolby Digital Plus, which HDMI-ARC does support (along with Atmos metadata), there's no argument to be made against not using it unless you are streaming local content via Plex or Kodi. While your E6 (as well as my C6) does not support DD+ with Atmos over ARC, every set manufactured by LG (as well as everyone else) after the 2016 model year does. While it may be difficult to comprehend for those of us who have issues getting HDMI-ARC to work on our Emotiva branded processors (and maybe a few others), most just work without all of the hassle when configured properly. Both of my Marantz processors fell into that category. And for those, HDMI-ARC is a no brainer... Like you (and many of you), I use an Nvidia Shield Pro and an ATV4K, but only because I stream local content that does contain hi-rez audio. If not for that, HDMI-ARC could work just fine. In time, eARC will solve that. Just voicing an alternate point of view...
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Post by richb on Sept 11, 2020 9:16:27 GMT -5
My LG 65E6 does not support HiRes Audio - so no reason to use ARC at all. I bought a NVidia Shield TV 2019, direct attached to RMC-1 and Netflix and other apps just work fine with Atmos, Dolby Vision etc. I prefer to have all devices attached as a Input - ARC for me was also only partially working on my SC-LX79 I had before the RMC-1. The shield is not expensive - so I don't understand why so many people spend hours in get it working with ARC. I would say for most, it comes down to economics, less complexity and a matter of convenience. For those who already have very nice and fully capable "smart" TVs, they don't want (or need to invest in) another external device to give them what their TV already does. Some of the newer TVs based on AndroidTV OS are just as well equipped and as powerful as the 2019 Shield Tube, so why pay the additional $150 (US)...? Additionally, since no "streaming app" (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, etc...) streams audio in any format other than Dolby Digital Plus, which HDMI-ARC does support (along with Atmos metadata), there's no argument to be made against not using it unless you are streaming local content via Plex or Kodi. While your E6 (as well as my C6) does not support DD+ with Atmos over ARC, every set manufactured by LG (as well as everyone else) after the 2016 model year does. While it may be difficult to comprehend for those of us who have issues getting HDMI-ARC to work on our Emotiva branded processors (and maybe a few others), most just work without all of the hassle when configured properly. Both of my Marantz processors fell into that category. And for those, HDMI-ARC is a no brainer... Like you (and many of you), I use an Nvidia Shield Pro and an ATV4K, but only because I stream local content that does contain hi-rez audio. If not for that, HDMI-ARC could work just fine. In time, eARC will solve that. Just voicing an alternate point of view... Caveats: - Some TV apps do not send DD+ so there may be a downgrade
- ARC control functions have compatibility problems.
- Streaming devices allow for a consistent interface
- There is a point where TV apps are not added or maintained where streaming platforms continues to receive updates.
I exclusively use the ATV4K for my streaming and it is the most reliably component in my system - Rich
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 11, 2020 9:22:23 GMT -5
I would say for most, it comes down to economics, less complexity and a matter of convenience. For those who already have very nice and fully capable "smart" TVs, they don't want (or need to invest in) another external device to give them what their TV already does. Some of the newer TVs based on AndroidTV OS are just as well equipped and as powerful as the 2019 Shield Tube, so why pay the additional $150 (US)...? Additionally, since no "streaming app" (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, etc...) streams audio in any format other than Dolby Digital Plus, which HDMI-ARC does support (along with Atmos metadata), there's no argument to be made against not using it unless you are streaming local content via Plex or Kodi. While your E6 (as well as my C6) does not support DD+ with Atmos over ARC, every set manufactured by LG (as well as everyone else) after the 2016 model year does. While it may be difficult to comprehend for those of us who have issues getting HDMI-ARC to work on our Emotiva branded processors (and maybe a few others), most just work without all of the hassle when configured properly. Both of my Marantz processors fell into that category. And for those, HDMI-ARC is a no brainer... Like you (and many of you), I use an Nvidia Shield Pro and an ATV4K, but only because I stream local content that does contain hi-rez audio. If not for that, HDMI-ARC could work just fine. In time, eARC will solve that. Just voicing an alternate point of view... Caveats: - Some TV apps do not send DD+ so there may be a downgrade
- ARC control functions have compatibility problems.
- Streaming devices allow for a consistent interface
- There is a point where TV apps are not added or maintained where streaming platforms continues to receive updates.
I exclusively use the ATV4K for my streaming and it is the most reliably component in my system - Rich I look at it as having an amp and preamp setup.....yes, a receiver will do everything, but it's nice to have separates so I can upgrade the streamer when it becomes outdated. I've found that after a certain amount of time, the TV manufacturer fails to update the apps or provide firmware updates, probably in hopes you will buy the next set.
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Post by tngiloy on Sept 11, 2020 9:41:00 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by bitzerjdb on Sept 11, 2020 10:16:17 GMT -5
My issue is the number of workarounds we need to use the Emo Processor. I need a Video Switch for switching, I need a streamer because ARC doesn't work, I needed new cables because the old Active ones one don't work, Needed a new Music streamer because digital to RMC dropped the first few seconds of every song, etc.
What I really want is the Emo Processor to work properly. Granted, I'm in a good place now, the hanging is a week old memory :-), but it still bothers me that I cannot use native functionality. I want to simplify my setup, not add more components.
In my case: The Cheap Video switch works perfectly, it works with the older active cables at the highest resolution and my devices sync every time and within a second, ARC works perfectly with the Sonos Soundbar... And, the recent Firmware update made the Digital Music streaming issue a minor issue (only drops the first notes on the first song, the rest of the Album plays fine)
Again, I'm not dumping the RMC, the sound is great and my two main issues are fixed. I just wish I could use it as my central hub and stuff just worked.
Hopefully a few more firmware updates will fix more of the bugs.
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Post by navybuck on Sept 11, 2020 10:30:18 GMT -5
New issue for the board -
Setting up my brand new XMC2 with FW 2.1. Everything so far appears OK. I am trying to hook up an Emotiva BTR-1 Bluetooth receiver to the XMC; but so far no joy. The BTR is connected to the XMC through the Optical 3 port. The BTR shows power on. It appears on my I phone as an available device and I have established a paring between the phone and the XMC. However, when I select Optical 3 on the XMC2, I get no sound. Spotify indicates it is connected to the Emotiva, BTW. Seems to me I have to tweak something on the XMC, but I don't know what. Possibly hte optical cable could be bad, but that seems unlikely to me.
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Post by ttocs on Sept 11, 2020 10:34:54 GMT -5
New issue for the board - Setting up my brand new XMC2 with FW 2.1. Everything so far appears OK. I am trying to hook up an Emotiva BTR-1 Bluetooth receiver to the XMC; but so far no joy. The BTR is connected to the XMC through the Optical 3 port. The BTR shows power on. It appears on my I phone as an available device and I have established a paring between the phone and the XMC. However, when I select Optical 3 on the XMC2, I get no sound. Spotify indicates it is connected to the Emotiva, BTW. Seems to me I have to tweak something on the XMC, but I don't know what. Possibly hte optical cable could be bad, but that seems unlikely to me. Optical is not working as it should. It's on a hot list of things to fix. What audio mode are you using?
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Post by megash0n on Sept 11, 2020 10:38:08 GMT -5
New issue for the board - Setting up my brand new XMC2 with FW 2.1. Everything so far appears OK. I am trying to hook up an Emotiva BTR-1 Bluetooth receiver to the XMC; but so far no joy. The BTR is connected to the XMC through the Optical 3 port. The BTR shows power on. It appears on my I phone as an available device and I have established a paring between the phone and the XMC. However, when I select Optical 3 on the XMC2, I get no sound. Spotify indicates it is connected to the Emotiva, BTW. Seems to me I have to tweak something on the XMC, but I don't know what. Possibly hte optical cable could be bad, but that seems unlikely to me. Optical is not working as it should. It's on a hot list of things to fix. What audio mode are you using? Sorry for hijacking, but am I understanding your message to indicate that the optical inputs on the G3Ps aren't working correctly or is this related directly to the Bluetooth device?
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 11, 2020 10:46:39 GMT -5
My issue is the number of workarounds we need to use the Emo Processor. I need a Video Switch for switching, I need a streamer because ARC doesn't work, I needed new cables because the old Active ones one don't work, Needed a new Music streamer because digital to RMC dropped the first few seconds of every song, etc. What I really want is the Emo Processor to work properly. Granted, I'm in a good place now, the hanging is a week old memory :-), but it still bothers me that I cannot use native functionality. I want to simplify my setup, not add more components. In my case: The Cheap Video switch works perfectly, it works with the older active cables at the highest resolution and my devices sync every time and within a second, ARC works perfectly with the Sonos Soundbar... And, the recent Firmware update made the Digital Music streaming issue a minor issue (only drops the first notes on the first song, the rest of the Album plays fine) Again, I'm not dumping the RMC, the sound is great and my two main issues are fixed. I just wish I could use it as my central hub and stuff just worked. Hopefully a few more firmware updates will fix more of the bugs. Currently with my setup and XMC-2 with new firmware 2.1, I have not had any issues. Granted my system is fairly "simple", 5.1. I do use a universal remote, but not all members of the family use it. Some use the remotes that came with the source units...can't teach an old dog new tricks. I have never used ARC and CEC so I don't know what I'm missing. Maybe that's a good thing. Switching through the XMC-2 works fine. No audio droputs anymore. I don't have, or at least have not noticed beginning's of songs being cut off. I still have the Monoprice certified 4K cables I bought when I had the XMC-1 and they work. Dirac works. I just can't complain at the moment.
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 11, 2020 10:51:23 GMT -5
New issue for the board - Setting up my brand new XMC2 with FW 2.1. Everything so far appears OK. I am trying to hook up an Emotiva BTR-1 Bluetooth receiver to the XMC; but so far no joy. The BTR is connected to the XMC through the Optical 3 port. The BTR shows power on. It appears on my I phone as an available device and I have established a paring between the phone and the XMC. However, when I select Optical 3 on the XMC2, I get no sound. Spotify indicates it is connected to the Emotiva, BTW. Seems to me I have to tweak something on the XMC, but I don't know what. Possibly hte optical cable could be bad, but that seems unlikely to me. Can you try the Digital Coax output or analog?
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Post by ttocs on Sept 11, 2020 11:10:57 GMT -5
Optical is not working as it should. It's on a hot list of things to fix. What audio mode are you using? Sorry for hijacking, but am I understanding your message to indicate that the optical inputs on the G3Ps aren't working correctly or is this related directly to the Bluetooth device? It's audio mode AND Assigned-Audio-Source-to-Input dependent. It's a very narrow usage that is failing. If the audio is via HDMI there's no issue. But if the audio is Assigned to be from another source from the component then there's an issue. When I assign the Input for my OPPO to have the audio come via Optical AND Reference Stereo the audio stream is a series of blips. This is the same issue as for Analog and Balanced In under identical circumstances.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 11, 2020 11:24:14 GMT -5
Sorry for hijacking, but am I understanding your message to indicate that the optical inputs on the G3Ps aren't working correctly or is this related directly to the Bluetooth device? It's audio mode AND Assigned-Audio-Source-to-Input dependent. It's a very narrow usage that is failing. If the audio is via HDMI there's no issue. But if the audio is Assigned to be from another source from the component then there's an issue. When I assign the Input for my OPPO to have the audio come via Optical AND Reference Stereo the audio stream is a series of blips. This is the same issue as for Analog and Balanced In under identical circumstances. I gotcha. Thank you for the explanation.
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