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Post by Stephen Park on Sept 11, 2020 13:06:10 GMT -5
ARC debate again. So, some people said they want ARC because of the easiness and simplicity. Some people said better forget it and buy new and more reliable “additional” device. All is ok. But don’t forget this as basement:
All other processor has NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH ARC. Need to say which one? Oh, lots of them. Even soundbars. I myself NEVER HAD ANY HASSLE WITH ARC AT ALL. For 4 more years. NEVER. So, that is where my question starts:
Why not EMOTIVA?
Do not need to hear “Forget it, just buy more reliable device”. Why am I have to do that? My RMC-1 ARC still working just without Atmos, just little stuttering remote response, but as long as it works, there should be solution. Needless to say, this is REFERENCE-GRADE FLAGSHIP AV PROCESSOR. huh?
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Post by KeithL on Sept 11, 2020 13:19:49 GMT -5
I kind of feel obligated to comment here...
You are quite right in stating that ARC works the way it should for many people.
And I am pleased that you have had such a great experience with ARC.
However, I would suggest that you try Googling "[pick a brand] problems with ARC".
Substitute any major brand you like for [pick a brand].
(I'm going to avoid embarrassing anyone with the number of responses I got when I tried this with several different major brands.)
If you do so you will find that problems and compatibility issues with ARC are more the norm than the exception. We agree that it should work right. And we continue to do our best to improve ARC compatibility between our products and others. (And we can all hope that eARC will make matters better rather than worse.)
ARC debate again. So, some people said they want ARC because of the easiness and simplicity. Some people said better forget it and buy new and more reliable “additional” device. All is ok. But don’t forget this as basement: All other processor has NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH ARC. Need to say which one? Oh, lots of them. Even soundbars. I myself NEVER HAD ANY HASSLE WITH ARC AT ALL. For 4 more years. NEVER. So, that is where my question starts: Why not EMOTIVA? Do not need to hear “don’t frustrate yourself, buy more reliable device”. Why am I have to do that? My RMC-1 ARC still working just without Atmos, just little stuttering remote response, but as long as it works, there should be solution. Needless to say, this is REFERENCE-GRADE FLAGSHIP AV PROCESSOR. huh?
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Post by Stephen Park on Sept 11, 2020 13:32:22 GMT -5
I kind of feel obligated to comment here...
You are quite right in stating that ARC works the way it should for many people.
And I am pleased that you have had such a great experience with ARC.
However, I would suggest that you try Googling "[pick a brand] problems with ARC".
Substitute any major brand you like for [pick a brand].
(I'm going to avoid embarrassing anyone with the number of responses I got when I tried this with several different major brands.)
If you do so you will find that problems and compatibility issues with ARC are more the norm than the exception. We agree that it should work right. And we continue to do our best to improve ARC compatibility between our products and others. (And we can all hope that eARC will make matters better rather than worse.)
ARC debate again. So, some people said they want ARC because of the easiness and simplicity. Some people said better forget it and buy new and more reliable “additional” device. All is ok. But don’t forget this as basement: All other processor has NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH ARC. Need to say which one? Oh, lots of them. Even soundbars. I myself NEVER HAD ANY HASSLE WITH ARC AT ALL. For 4 more years. NEVER. So, that is where my question starts: Why not EMOTIVA? Do not need to hear “don’t frustrate yourself, buy more reliable device”. Why am I have to do that? My RMC-1 ARC still working just without Atmos, just little stuttering remote response, but as long as it works, there should be solution. Needless to say, this is REFERENCE-GRADE FLAGSHIP AV PROCESSOR. huh? It is great to hear from you that Emotiva anyway try to improve ARC function. Thanks a lot. Yes, probably I am lucky that I haven’t had any problem with ARC so far. Maybe because the “Brands” which I bought and experienced has good compatibility with my TV(I only uses LG and Samsung). And also I only uses major brand receiver/processors such as M/D/O/Y, Harman Kardon also. Hope that someday in near future, Emotiva get much nice compatibility for ARC. eARC is sure much better solution.
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Post by richb on Sept 11, 2020 13:54:23 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components. Just my 2 cents. I know this does not help anyone with issues, but for the record, ARC is working on RMC-1/LG C9 when the RMC-1 has only the ARC function enabled and none of the sub functions enabled. - Rich
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Post by ttocs on Sept 11, 2020 14:13:34 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components. Just my 2 cents. I know this does not help anyone with issues, but for the record, ARC is working on RMC-1/LG C9 when the RMC-1 has only the ARC function enabled and none of the sub functions enabled. - Rich So HDMI-CEC is not enabled nor are any of the other CEC options?
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Post by richb on Sept 11, 2020 14:26:10 GMT -5
I know this does not help anyone with issues, but for the record, ARC is working on RMC-1/LG C9 when the RMC-1 has only the ARC function enabled and none of the sub functions enabled. - Rich So HDMI-CEC is not enabled nor are any of the other CEC options? HDMI CEC is enabled but all sub-control functions are disabled. - Rich
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Post by ttocs on Sept 11, 2020 14:36:42 GMT -5
So HDMI-CEC is not enabled nor are any of the other CEC options? HDMI CEC is enabled but all sub-control functions are disabled. - Rich It's weird, but consistent with the operational-inconsistency of ARC/CEC, that some are able to get ARC with only HDMI-CEC Enabled, while others - myself included - must also Enable Audio To TV. My Sony just won't operate without that second enable.
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Post by Stephen Park on Sept 11, 2020 14:43:48 GMT -5
I know this does not help anyone with issues, but for the record, ARC is working on RMC-1/LG C9 when the RMC-1 has only the ARC function enabled and none of the sub functions enabled. - Rich So HDMI-CEC is not enabled nor are any of the other CEC options? For me, HDMI CEC - volume, input change enabled. On the TV - simplelink(CEC) enabled, power on disabled. Sound - HDMI ARC enabled, mode is Auto. And it is work with my LG SK(not OLED) 2018 model. Also LG C8. I can change input to HDMI ARC automatically by just press Netflix button on remo. And whatever input I am using, I can control volume with my TV remo(this is somewhat weird behavior). Only DD+Atmos is not work, but at least all other functions are work. It does not work at all when I upgrade FW 2.1, I was in panic, that I thought TV is somewhat broken. But it wasn’t. Just turn off RMC for a minute(turn main switch on rear panel), turn it on again, while Emotiva is booting(progress bar is moving), just press volume button on TV remote. It makes RMC-1 properly initialize protocol handshake with my TV. It fixes my ARC problem until now.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 11, 2020 15:46:47 GMT -5
ARC debate again. So, some people said they want ARC because of the easiness and simplicity. Some people said better forget it and buy new and more reliable “additional” device. All is ok. But don’t forget this as basement: All other processor has NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH ARC. Need to say which one? Oh, lots of them. Even soundbars. I myself NEVER HAD ANY HASSLE WITH ARC AT ALL. For 4 more years. NEVER. So, that is where my question starts: Why not EMOTIVA? Do not need to hear “Forget it, just buy more reliable device”. Why am I have to do that? My RMC-1 ARC still working just without Atmos, just little stuttering remote response, but as long as it works, there should be solution. Needless to say, this is REFERENCE-GRADE FLAGSHIP AV PROCESSOR. huh? Trust me... Don't start asking why. You'll drive yourself crazy.
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Post by JKCashin on Sept 11, 2020 15:53:52 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components. Just my 2 cents. Your comment does not make sense to me. ARC is Audio Return Channel, i.e., audio being returned to the XMC/RMC from your TV. What does the remote have to do with that?
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Post by megash0n on Sept 11, 2020 15:58:41 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components. Just my 2 cents. Your comment does not make sense to me. ARC is Audio Return Channel, i.e., audio being returned to the XMC/RMC from your TV. What does the remote have to do with that? I'm assuming he means, due to adding additional components to do what is expected that the G3P handle, he needs better automation to eliminate family issues and provide the same or similar ease of use.
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Post by tngiloy on Sept 11, 2020 16:29:01 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components. Just my 2 cents. Your comment does not make sense to me. ARC is Audio Return Channel, i.e., audio being returned to the XMC/RMC from your TV. What does the remote have to do with that? Sorry for the confusion- my confusion. I should have said CEC instead of ARC. Got mixed up and didn't proofread well enough. You are of course right. The functions that CEC are supposed to handle are very hit and miss, and seemed to miss with my components any time I tried to use it. I am able to control those functions (turning components on/off, changing inputs. etc.) much more easily with my URC MX-900 universal remote. I found that if I left CEC enabled on any component it would screw things up, and sometimes CEC was hidden deep in the settings and/or named something other than CEC.
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Post by Stephen Park on Sept 11, 2020 20:03:15 GMT -5
Your comment does not make sense to me. ARC is Audio Return Channel, i.e., audio being returned to the XMC/RMC from your TV. What does the remote have to do with that? Sorry for the confusion- my confusion. I should have said CEC instead of ARC. Got mixed up and didn't proofread well enough. You are of course right. The functions that CEC are supposed to handle are very hit and miss, and seemed to miss with my components any time I tried to use it. I am able to control those functions (turning components on/off, changing inputs. etc.) much more easily with my URC MX-900 universal remote. I found that if I left CEC enabled on any component it would screw things up, and sometimes CEC was hidden deep in the settings and/or named something other than CEC. Yes, I am the one who continually insist ARC is "MUST BE" on Emotiva. But I also have had difficulties messing up with CEC when I start ARC thing with my receivers - almost 5 years ago - I realize that CEC is kind of pain in the as*. If it mix with other device which also capable of sending CEC signal, all goes crazy. Finally I only use *SINGLE* CEC device, was TV. So how to control all other devices such as Cable box, Blueray player, and more with dozens of table full of remotes??? I just use Logitech Harmony. Done. But not just disable CEC feature is not enough, you must take 13th pin from HDMI for cut CEC forever. eARC is CEC independent. That is good news. ARC is CEC dependent. That makes... ARC as headache and troublesome protocol. But not every old model (even current model) of TV still not support eARC, some support but it is not full spec. It really needs HDMI 2.1. We all need H/W upgrade. Ta da~!
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Post by Stephen Park on Sept 11, 2020 20:09:00 GMT -5
ARC debate again. So, some people said they want ARC because of the easiness and simplicity. Some people said better forget it and buy new and more reliable “additional” device. All is ok. But don’t forget this as basement: All other processor has NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH ARC. Need to say which one? Oh, lots of them. Even soundbars. I myself NEVER HAD ANY HASSLE WITH ARC AT ALL. For 4 more years. NEVER. So, that is where my question starts: Why not EMOTIVA? Do not need to hear “Forget it, just buy more reliable device”. Why am I have to do that? My RMC-1 ARC still working just without Atmos, just little stuttering remote response, but as long as it works, there should be solution. Needless to say, this is REFERENCE-GRADE FLAGSHIP AV PROCESSOR. huh? Trust me... Don't start asking why. You'll drive yourself crazy. Yeah... I think so myself too. So now I just relax and wait. As KeithL said, Emotiva knows well what is needed... Hopefully they fully fix and do makes ARC at least ATMOS capable. At near future. Just Hope. Otherwise it is as you said, drive myself crazy.
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Post by JKCashin on Sept 11, 2020 22:18:06 GMT -5
Your comment does not make sense to me. ARC is Audio Return Channel, i.e., audio being returned to the XMC/RMC from your TV. What does the remote have to do with that? Sorry for the confusion- my confusion. I should have said CEC instead of ARC. Got mixed up and didn't proofread well enough. You are of course right. The functions that CEC are supposed to handle are very hit and miss, and seemed to miss with my components any time I tried to use it. I am able to control those functions (turning components on/off, changing inputs. etc.) much more easily with my URC MX-900 universal remote. I found that if I left CEC enabled on any component it would screw things up, and sometimes CEC was hidden deep in the settings and/or named something other than CEC. Ahh, OK that makes more sense to me! For the record, I am using CEC with success.... I must have just the right combination of components that use it. I feel lucky
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Post by The Praetorian on Sept 12, 2020 0:12:15 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to get CEC working so that you can control the volume using the Apple TV remote?
I have enabled the HDMI CEC on the RMC-1 including all the suboptions except the Audio to TV (since I’m using a projector), and on the ATV4K I have the ”Control TVs and Receivers” set to On and ”Volume control” to Auto but no success. It only works if I configure the Apple TV remote to use infrared but that doesn’t help me as I have the RMC-1 tucked away in a closet.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 12, 2020 4:51:09 GMT -5
At the risk of being flamed here I offer this suggestion: For those of you trying to get ARC to work with your Emo processor- Don't. It will only frustrate you and waste hours of your time. You will have better luck trying to teach your cat to drive your car. Instead: compare the different universal remotes, decide which one will work best for you, then use it to control your system. No universal remote is perfect but they are lightyears ahead of ARC. You may need to spend time initially setting it up, and may need occasional tweaking (especially if you change components), but it will work. And be sure to turn off ARC in all components. Just my 2 cents. I know this does not help anyone with issues, but for the record, ARC is working on RMC-1/LG C9 when the RMC-1 has only the ARC function enabled and none of the sub functions enabled. - Rich This also applies to the LG OLED C8 series TV. My experience is the latest(most recent 8/9/X models) LG OLED models are very much capable of sending ATMOS in a DD+ 7.1 stream, BUT it is very much so DEPENDENT on if the particular LG app you are using actually supports sending the embedded ATMOS data in the stream. DISNEY+ and AppleTV+ does in my setup(remember not all programming has ATMOS audio), but apparently NetFlix and Prime Video do not as at least one other member here has reported this.
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Post by bblv on Sept 12, 2020 12:19:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know the status of the development of the expansion modules, and corresponding higher channel count Atmos, DTS:X Pro, etc?
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Post by ttocs on Sept 12, 2020 13:06:21 GMT -5
^^^^^^
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Post by Combobreaker on Sept 12, 2020 17:39:11 GMT -5
I'll test it out. I can reliably make the XMC-2 lockup when ethernet is plugged in. Not sure what it matters though... functionally is there a difference if the unit is completely frozen, or if I have to wait many seconds/minutes between commands? When it goes into that state where it gets locked up (or maybe slow as you said), I have no audio. Do you have CEC enabled? I still can get slow volume and menu response when using ARC AND while the video is paused. Once video is unpaused the slowness, if it is happening because it's not every time, goes back to normal. Since I don't need ARC or CEC I keep CEC disabled completely, nothing in CEC is selected. I only enabled it to test some things. CEC should be removed from consumer electronics. Even when I had several Panasonic devices including a Plasma tv, the Panasonic DVD player could not talk to the Panasonic tv from the same series via Viera Link (CEC). ARC on the other hand is a good idea for those who need it, but should only be used for its main purpose - to get audio from the tv to the preamp. No volume, no input switching, etc. It should be as simple as using the tv remote to control the tv app, then selecting the ARC Input on the preamp and using its remote to control the volume. No cross-platform craziness. CEC is completely disabled on the XMC-2. Not using ARC. I re-applied FW2.1 last week and went through the restore/power switch off song and dance again. Also reset HDMI. Plugged ethernet back in to test. I thought re-applying might have addressed the issue, but sure enough after a few hours I was again without audio and a frozen front panel. My kid was watching something so I did the 6s power button hold down to reset it and didn't get a chance to see where it was actually locked up or just insanely slow to respond. I pulled my ethernet again and have been going for days without issue.
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