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Post by megash0n on Feb 22, 2021 5:54:38 GMT -5
I firmly believe that if more users were accepting of having no OSD other than for maybe “Input/Output Info” and “Volume”, then this would have been addressed awhile ago. Lonnie has already went on record stating that he supports removing it. Personally, if it makes for a better user experience by offloading the “live” Settings menu to a web interface, I’m all for it... I quite like the On Screen Display but could live without it. The live menu audio update is not so crucial - the settings could just be applied on exiting the menu. Web interface? To control the processor  Is this going to be using the ethernet port that seems to create problems if something is actually left plugged in to it?!? You just brought up a point that could be the difference in some of our issues. I wonder how many people with issues also use the network API? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 22, 2021 7:38:06 GMT -5
I’ve had an excellent experience with Emotiva products over the years. The XMC-1 was my first separate processor. Previously I had owned mainstream receivers and then receivers supplemented with amps. The XMC-1 was reliable and worked very well. Hiccups were addressed via firmware update to the good. My experience with the XMC-2 is similar to lsc’s. Works great. Using it as I type. Sounds great and with the latest firmware has been reliable. I don’t understand the problems some are having especially since the three processors are supposed to share the same platform. Makes no sense and I feel for those with these issues. I suggest calling support and attempting to work through the issues. That’s what I would do. I know some have found solutions here and that’s great, but it appears that some problems may be better solved with tech support. And at least they would hear about these problems. To those that are saying that Emotiva doesn’t test or go through a Beta program or that the Beta testers are idiots, that is simply false. There needs to be a consensus that the firmware is working well prior to release. For most it appears the firmware is a good one. My experience has been a positive one and I’m grateful for that. I’m also grateful to all the people here who have spent a lot of their time helping people with small to large problems. You know who you are. For those with major issues, try to get the company to help you. If they can’t, then don’t stress over it. Move on. Life’s too short and there are a lot of manufacturers out there. I certainly agree with the thumbs up for the awesome members that pour a lot of time into helping others. For me, and as I said, I've been following Emotiva for 3 generations of processors. Some are happy and some are not. But, I know clearly what I have read over time and why those same issues repeat. This isn't about a bug or two for me. It is about looking at their legacy and seeing no apparent change for the future. It's ok that we all don't see the same thing... Or care to look deep enough at the organizational behavior that results in it. We can absolutely see it differently. For me, I spent $10,000 on hardware I would no longer want if I was fully refunded and was allowed to keep it. A simple podcast taken ownership for this train wreck would be a good start. But, we want to talk about our car collection and our new headphones. We want to rip away non-expiring discount cards from customers. We can't even be bothered to take real ownership of what is broken and what is fixed. Why? If we document what we actually fixed, then we get questioned when we accidentally break it on the next firmware. I literally could go on for the next hour. It honestly makes me sick to my stomach to watch it happen. Again, I have 10k invested into a company's products that cause me so much negativity. You couldn't pay me 10k to keep me continuing this cycle of insanity. Sorry-- they don't even use pin 13 to test with. What!?!? How is that even acceptable? How many times have we seen Emotiva verbiage about how their gear isn't the problem when THEY DON'T EVEN TEST SOME OF IT. Oh my. Anyways, I'll be in and around for a while, but I know I need to move on and will start planning that departure when I get my properties rehabbed/rented and can afford the time and whatnot to sell all this stuff. I also need to find a replacement for it all. I do want to stop talking about it though because it isn't going to change anything and I need to focus on positive things. You are right.....you need to move on......I don’t understand why you would continue to beat yourself as well as the company if you are so unhappy. Makes no sense. I would have sold and moved on a long time ago. Nothing against you personally. My experience has been a very positive one with the gear, the company, the people at the company and the people here. Would not have had this with any of the mainstream manufacturers. |
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Post by Goodfella on Feb 22, 2021 7:38:51 GMT -5
I'm experiencing the same issue with pops and clicks, esp when using Chromecast with Google TV: - Pops and clicks when audio changes. - Pops and clicks when enabling system sound - System sounds no longer produce sounds when turned on. Turning off the Loudness setting pretty much fixed my popping/snapping issue. I just enable loudness after the movies starts if needed. Hopefully the next version will resolve the popping issue. I really like the loudness feature for music, you just have to keep it off until needed for this software version. |
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Post by Mikomill on Feb 22, 2021 9:35:32 GMT -5
I certainly agree with the thumbs up for the awesome members that pour a lot of time into helping others. For me, and as I said, I've been following Emotiva for 3 generations of processors. Some are happy and some are not. But, I know clearly what I have read over time and why those same issues repeat. This isn't about a bug or two for me. It is about looking at their legacy and seeing no apparent change for the future. It's ok that we all don't see the same thing... Or care to look deep enough at the organizational behavior that results in it. We can absolutely see it differently. For me, I spent $10,000 on hardware I would no longer want if I was fully refunded and was allowed to keep it. A simple podcast taken ownership for this train wreck would be a good start. But, we want to talk about our car collection and our new headphones. We want to rip away non-expiring discount cards from customers. We can't even be bothered to take real ownership of what is broken and what is fixed. Why? If we document what we actually fixed, then we get questioned when we accidentally break it on the next firmware. I literally could go on for the next hour. It honestly makes me sick to my stomach to watch it happen. Again, I have 10k invested into a company's products that cause me so much negativity. You couldn't pay me 10k to keep me continuing this cycle of insanity. Sorry-- they don't even use pin 13 to test with. What!?!? How is that even acceptable? How many times have we seen Emotiva verbiage about how their gear isn't the problem when THEY DON'T EVEN TEST SOME OF IT. Oh my. Anyways, I'll be in and around for a while, but I know I need to move on and will start planning that departure when I get my properties rehabbed/rented and can afford the time and whatnot to sell all this stuff. I also need to find a replacement for it all. I do want to stop talking about it though because it isn't going to change anything and I need to focus on positive things. You are right.....you need to move on......I don’t understand why you would continue to beat yourself as well as the company if you are so unhappy. Makes no sense. I would have sold and moved on a long time ago. Nothing against you personally. My experience has been a very positive one with the gear, the company, the people at the company and the people here. Would not have had this with any of the mainstream manufacturers. I agree, you definitely need to move on. there are a lot of people that have VERY positive experiences with Emotiva as a company and the processors in spite of the minor glitches we've experienced and have made that very clear in these forums. That doesn't make us apologists, it makes us satisfied customers. |
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Post by KeithL on Feb 22, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5
I personally agree as well... I personally always use the Front Panel display anyway...
HOWEVER a lot of users I talk to DO use the full menu OSD... Many of them don't even have the processor in sight of the display at all and rely entirely on the OSD...
And, unfortunately, it's nowhere as simple as "just put an option to turn it off". A closer analogy would be the power steering on your car. It not just "physically" displaying the OSD that takes all the work and slows things down. It's the programming involved in making it possible to display it.
Converting over entirely to a Web-based display would take a massive amount of programming effort.
And the simple reality is that some customers would find it incredibly inconvenient "to have to use a computer to control their processor". Believe it or not, not everyone has a computer in every room, or carries around a smart phone with a Web browser on it... (Not everyone is permanently attached to their phone...at least not when they're sitting at home watching TV.)
Make it a selectable option! I for one woulod love to be able to turn it off I firmly believe that if more users were accepting of having no OSD other than for maybe “Input/Output Info” and “Volume”, then this would have been addressed awhile ago. Lonnie has already went on record stating that he supports removing it. Personally, if it makes for a better user experience by offloading the “live” Settings menu to a web interface, I’m all for it... |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 22, 2021 10:39:33 GMT -5
I personally agree as well... I personally always use the Front Panel display anyway...
HOWEVER a lot of users I talk to DO use the full menu OSD... Many of them don't even have the processor in sight of the display at all and rely entirely on the OSD... And, unfortunately, it's nowhere as simple as "just put an option to turn it off". A closer analogy would be the power steering on your car. It not just "physically" displaying the OSD that takes all the work and slows things down. It's the programming involved in making it possible to display it. Converting over entirely to a Web-based display would take a massive amount of programming effort.
And the simple reality is that some customers would find it incredibly inconvenient "to have to use a computer to control their processor". Believe it or not, not everyone has a computer in every room, or carries around a smart phone with a Web browser on it... (Not everyone is permanently attached to their phone...at least not when they're sitting at home watching TV.)
I firmly believe that if more users were accepting of having no OSD other than for maybe “Input/Output Info” and “Volume”, then this would have been addressed awhile ago. Lonnie has already went on record stating that he supports removing it. Personally, if it makes for a better user experience by offloading the “live” Settings menu to a web interface, I’m all for it... Keith makes some good points....as to just using the front display....I would have to get up and go look at the processor's display. Not convenient. Popping it up onscreen is convenient and easy. I would use a phone or Ipad also, but other's in my household would not. Edit: Would it help or make any difference at all to the processor resources if the video on screen was NOT displayed when the OSD menu popped up? I don't know, just asking. |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 22, 2021 11:01:23 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I'm actually trying hard to filter myself and my absolute disappointment in everything related to Emotiva. With this new FW, that took SOOO long to develop, I now have to switch inputs any time I to to watch TV because the HDMI signal will not work until I do so. This is with the new, constant popping that occurs. For me, some things seem faster. I think the sound overall is an improvement... But with a change in sound with almost every release.. When does one determine it is correct? Will it stay the same? For me, the usability is actually worse with 2.2. I've hit a point where I have to accept that this gear, and mainly this company, is a great source of negativity in my life. This should be fun and enjoyable. Instead, it's an outright embarrassment.
I may very well be looking to follow many others that have abandoned this sinking ship. Anyone is welcome to PM me with reasonable offers if they are looking to buy. 3 generations in.. Same problems constantly. This is never going to change no matter how many polls or emails you send. This is just how I feel, and I hope I'm able to speak my mind once and leave it at that. Take care all. I’ll echo your logic, and what others have already mentioned, that it’s probably time to move on. I can't/won’t speculate as to why your RMC-1 performs so much differently than my RMC-1L, but I do not seem to experience the same level of issues (or frustration) that you do. Having said that, and like you, I have come up through the ranks of every Emotiva processor since the UMC-1 and I will freely admit that there have been times where I have been frustrated and/or disappointed. In fact, Emotiva was so late bringing an HDMI 2.0 a compatible board to market, I pulled the XMC-1 from my system and purchased a Marantz AV7703 to temporarily replace it and used it for well over a year simply because I could no longer wait. Once the V3 HDMI board became available, I pulled (and sold) the 7703 and went back to my XMC-1. After struggling with the new board for several months, I once again pulled the XMC-1, purchased a Marantz AV8805, and never went back to my XMC-1. However, I did keep it for its “upgrade” value. Once the RMC-1 became available, I jumped on the second wave pre-order list. But once the feedback hit the boards from the first wave purchasers, I withdrew my preorder and decided to wait it out while continuing to use my 8805. Fast forwarding to July, 2020, I decided that the G3 firmware was stable enough to jump back in and traded my XMC-1 up to an RMC-1L. So far, I have not been disappointed and do not miss the 8805 (which I did, and will, keep). So, to summarize, I do understand your level of frustration and support the notion that it’s okay to move on. "Divorce" is never easy, but often necessary. Life is too short and there are many options out there that will satisfy your needs. Having said that, I would highly recommend going over to the AVS forum and read the “Owners” thread for any of the products that you might be interested in. You might be surprised to learn that there is no “perfect” 16 channel processor under 20K. They all seem to have their own shortcomings and/or gremlins. I read those thread daily. Not because I’m interested in another purchase, but more because I’m interested in others experience. It’s interesting that all of them share similar (and in some cases “identical”) issues. Monolith’s HTP-1 might be a good option if you can get passed the aesthetics and the total lack of an OSD. Everything is done through a web interface. However, Momentum Data Systems designed the “digital” backbone and handles the support, so you’ll get quick updates and bug fixes. ATI handles the assembly. Monoprice is simply the distribution chain and provides customer service. The 8805 is also a top contender. It’s the one that simply “just works”, but you do have to be very acceptant of the Marantz “house sound” and Audyssey (if used) versus Dirac. Since I used the 8805 for HT purposes only, this didn’t bother me in any way. Also be aware that, regardless on the number of outputs mounted on the back of the box, the 8805 can only process 13 channels simultaneously. Again, not a problem if you’re only doing up to 7.1.6 or 9.1.4. Both of the above feature Auro3D with I have found to be an outstanding up mixer for both movies and music (which is rare). Anthem’s brand new AVM-70 might also (someday) be a good fit for you. But right now, their Owners thread reads just like the early RMC-1 thread did here. Like with the AVM-60, they’ll need some time to work it all out. ARC Genesis is also not ready for the AVM-70 at this time. Good luck and caveat emptor...  |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 22, 2021 11:19:38 GMT -5
]Hopefully this video works. Let me know if you have any questions. I used the Emotiva remote so you can hear the clicking. My RMC-1L is identical in speed to what you've shown here using the ATV4K. Thanks for posting... |
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Post by bitzerjdb on Feb 22, 2021 11:19:52 GMT -5
I too have been extremely frustrated with my RMC-1L (and the previous XMC-1 w/the 4K board). Video syncing was/is problematic and I have a TIVO that just refuses to connect properly. My fix, was two fold, Purchase a Sonos ARC Soundbar and an HDfury switch solution. My RMC-1L now only gets an audio input and video is avoided. In this config, the unit works and has been very stable after the 2.1 firmware release. The family is happy, the Soundbar is perfect for the majority of "dumb" TV watching. Do you really need a kicking sound system for "The Bachelor" :-)
For Movie nights, the RMC comes out of sleep consistently and sound comes through the speakers (and it sounds great!).. No more having to get up and doing the button press.
Right now the unit just blends into the background and does what is asked of it. My family has stopped complaining about the "TV" and my stress level has dropped. I really don't have the desire to switch processors at this point because in my config it is working OK. However....if someone would like to make an offer on my unit that is reasonable, I would absolutely listen.
Life is too short to stress out about a hobby.
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Post by megash0n on Feb 22, 2021 11:21:21 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I'm actually trying hard to filter myself and my absolute disappointment in everything related to Emotiva. With this new FW, that took SOOO long to develop, I now have to switch inputs any time I to to watch TV because the HDMI signal will not work until I do so. This is with the new, constant popping that occurs. For me, some things seem faster. I think the sound overall is an improvement... But with a change in sound with almost every release.. When does one determine it is correct? Will it stay the same? For me, the usability is actually worse with 2.2. I've hit a point where I have to accept that this gear, and mainly this company, is a great source of negativity in my life. This should be fun and enjoyable. Instead, it's an outright embarrassment.
I may very well be looking to follow many others that have abandoned this sinking ship. Anyone is welcome to PM me with reasonable offers if they are looking to buy. 3 generations in.. Same problems constantly. This is never going to change no matter how many polls or emails you send. This is just how I feel, and I hope I'm able to speak my mind once and leave it at that. Take care all. I’ll echo your logic, and what others have already mentioned, that it’s probably time to move on. I can't/won’t speculate as to why your RMC-1 performs so much differently than my RMC-1L, but I do not seem to experience the same level of issues (or frustration) that you do. Having said that, and like you, I have come up through the ranks of every Emotiva processor since the UMC-1 and I will freely admit that there have been times where I have been frustrated and/or disappointed. In fact, Emotiva was so late bringing an HDMI 2.0 a compatible board to market, I pulled the XMC-1 from my system and purchased a Marantz AV7703 to temporarily replace it and used it for well over a year simply because I could no longer wait. Once the V3 HDMI board became available, I pulled (and sold) the 7703 and went back to my XMC-1. After struggling with the new board for several months, I once again pulled the XMC-1, purchased a Marantz AV8805, and never went back to my XMC-1. However, I did keep it for its “upgrade” value. Once the RMC-1 became available, I jumped on the second wave pre-order list. But once the feedback hit the boards from the first wave purchasers, I withdrew my preorder and decided to wait it out while continuing to use my 8805. Fast forwarding to July, 2020, I decided that the G3 firmware was stable enough to jump back in and traded my XMC-1 up to an RMC-1L. So far, I have not been disappointed and do not miss the 8805 (which I did, and will, keep). So, to summarize, I do understand your level of frustration and support the notion that it’s okay to move on. "Divorce" is never easy, but often necessary. Life is too short and there are many options out there that will satisfy your needs. Having said that, I would highly recommend going over to the AVS forum and read the “Owners” thread for any of the products that you might be interested in. You might be surprised to learn that there is no “perfect” 16 channel processor under 20K. They all seem to have their own shortcomings and/or gremlins. I read those thread daily. Not because I’m interested in another purchase, but more because I’m interested in others experience. It’s interesting that all of them share similar (and in some cases “identical”) issues. Monolith’s HTP-1 might be a good option if you can get passed the aesthetics and the total lack of an OSD. Everything is done through a web interface. However, Momentum Data Systems designed the “digital” backbone and handles the support, so you’ll get quick updates and bug fixes. ATI handles the assembly. Monoprice is simply the distribution chain and provides customer service. The 8805 is also a top contender. It’s the one that simply “just works”, but you do have to be very acceptant of the Marantz “house sound” and Audyssey (if used) versus Dirac. Since I used the 8805 for HT purposes only, this didn’t bother me in any way. Also be aware that, regardless on the number of outputs mounted on the back of the box, the 8805 can only process 13 channels simultaneously. Again, not a problem if you’re only doing up to 7.1.6 or 9.1.4. Both of the above feature Auro3D with I have found to be an outstanding up mixer for both movies and music (which is rare). Anthem’s brand new AVM-70 might also (someday) be a good fit for you. But right now, their Owners thread reads just like the early RMC-1 thread did here. Like with the AVM-60, they’ll need some time to work it all out. ARC Genesis is also not ready for the AVM-70 at this time. Good luck and caveat emptor... thank you for the detailed and awesome response. You touched on a few things that lead to why I haven't moved away yet. For me, the RMC-1 provided an opportunity to have really good sound, and to expand beyond 16 channels for when I do decide to move back into my HT room. I understood there were some challenges, but the the "potential" was there for an amazing value, long-term functionality, etc etc. On paper, it's awesome. This statement could lead into a dissertation of reasons why I get so frustrated at times, but at the end of the day, I see things in the company that trigger my ego personally and cause me to take a negative stance and attitude. That's the short of it. The way they conduct some portions of their business causes some trigger in my head when thinking about some of my own failures in businesses myself. They are for very different reasons, but regardless... The attitude and negativity is pure EGO speaking. It makes all these little bugs so much worse. Especially when they are repeated over time. It isn't so much the product that makes me need to exit, it is what my own ego does with the rest. I have to own that part and decide how to eliminate the triggers for myself. Thanks again for the feedback good sir. |
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Post by homer23 on Feb 22, 2021 11:26:55 GMT -5
Hey guys, just like many of you I had fairly good success with 2.1 with the occasional lockups which were fixed with w solid reboot. 2.2hasnt really fixed the lock ups they just dont happen as frequent. Not a deal breaker just an annoyance.
1'st Problem
I do have a slight issue with the HDMI switching. If I am on HDMI 1, when switching to 2 it delays and just defaults back to HDMI 1, I have to press HDMI 2 on the remote a second time. Has anyone else had this issue?
2nd Problem
Secondly, I re-ran Dirac and used my previous Target curves. I swear this thing sounds better than before. I had to lower the vol on the subs but increase the volume on the center...anyone else experience this improvement on the overall sound as well?
Overall, I strongly feel the sound was improved however, I don't see anything on their release notes saying that it was part of the improvement.
3rd Problem
And lastly, My room is a decent size, 24x20...I have 2x outlaw amps, 7xchannel at 300wats (4 ohms speakers) and a 2nd amp which is a 5xchannel pushing the same. but I have to push the volume to around 14 to really get the dynamics and fill the room. of course some movies are louder than others but has anyone have a similar situation as well. My speakers are Arendals 1723S THX...they are not as sensitive as others and just saw a post of someone running their Volume at around 20. that would be a bit quiet for me.
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 22, 2021 11:39:53 GMT -5
]Hopefully this video works. Let me know if you have any questions. I used the Emotiva remote so you can hear the clicking. My RMC-1L is identical in speed to what you've shown here using the ATV4K. Thanks for posting... So is mine (XMC-2)....thank you for taking the time. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Feb 22, 2021 11:41:37 GMT -5
I firmly believe that if more users were accepting of having no OSD other than for maybe “Input/Output Info” and “Volume”, then this would have been addressed awhile ago. Lonnie has already went on record stating that he supports removing it. Personally, if it makes for a better user experience by offloading the “live” Settings menu to a web interface, I’m all for it... I quite like the On Screen Display but could live without it. The live menu audio update is not so crucial - the settings could just be applied on exiting the menu. Web interface? To control the processor Is this going to be using the ethernet port that seems to create problems if something is actually left plugged in to it?!? I "liked" one the of the posts that was getting a lot of positive feedback a few pages back. Basically saying I would like to keep the OSD for Volume and Info but would like everything else to be through a web interface. But this point brings out something I hadn't considered. I leave the network cable unplugged from my XMC-2 because the unit was locking up constantly before I unplugged it. To the point it wasn't really unusable for more than 10 to 15 minutes before locking up completely again and having to do a hard reset. I haven't tried plugging back in the network cable to the unit since updating to v 2.2, but have little hope anything's changed since I have heard to updates related to that - or if there's even a consensus that this is an actual bug/issue. One thing I may try is disabling CEC when I plug the cable in next time. I've had issues with CEC being enabled and the unit locking up, but it's far less frequently than when I had the network cable plugged in. Maybe the two of them together were causing the issues much more frequently when combined? I have not idea honestly, just thinking out loud. |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 22, 2021 11:43:11 GMT -5
Converting over entirely to a Web-based display would take a massive amount of programming effort.
And the simple reality is that some customers would find it incredibly inconvenient "to have to use a computer to control their processor". Is there a third option - some way to simplify the current OSD implementation? i.e. switch out to an entirely separate single resolution for the OSD, make changes or view info, then switch back to the source? |
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 22, 2021 11:50:32 GMT -5
Converting over entirely to a Web-based display would take a massive amount of programming effort.
And the simple reality is that some customers would find it incredibly inconvenient "to have to use a computer to control their processor". Is there a third option - some way to simplify the current OSD implementation? i.e. switch out to an entirely separate single resolution for the OSD, make changes or view info, then switch back to the source? I'm curious as to where in the list of wants people would like this, prior to DLBC, before the bass module, etc? |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 22, 2021 11:51:40 GMT -5
Converting over entirely to a Web-based display would take a massive amount of programming effort.
And the simple reality is that some customers would find it incredibly inconvenient "to have to use a computer to control their processor". Is there a third option - some way to simplify the current OSD implementation? i.e. switch out to an entirely separate single resolution for the OSD, make changes or view info, then switch back to the source? Considering that HDMI handshaking and negotiation is such a challenge in the first place, I'm not sure this would do anything but cause more issues. A fully functional API, that is a bit more consumable for the masses, would make this " Web interface " concept far easier while satisfy many other consumer requests. A genuine customer outreach program to determine what the majority of customers want would likely lead to some good direction as well. Often times, we get so deep into the weeds we are unable to detach from the day to day operations to see the easier solutions. There are some well respected members here that could likely drive a nice campaign for some of these changes. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 22, 2021 11:52:30 GMT -5
Hey guys, just like many of you I had fairly good success with 2.1 with the occasional lockups which were fixed with w solid reboot. 2.2hasnt really fixed the lock ups they just dont happen as frequent. Not a deal breaker just an annoyance. 1'st Problem I do have a slight issue with the HDMI switching. If I am on HDMI 1, when switching to 2 it delays and just defaults back to HDMI 1, I have to press HDMI 2 on the remote a second time. Has anyone else had this issue? 2nd Problem Secondly, I re-ran Dirac and used my previous Target curves. I swear this thing sounds better than before. I had to lower the vol on the subs but increase the volume on the center...anyone else experience this improvement on the overall sound as well? Overall, I strongly feel the sound was improved however, I don't see anything on their release notes saying that it was part of the improvement. 3rd Problem And lastly, My room is a decent size, 24x20...I have 2x outlaw amps, 7xchannel at 300wats (4 ohms speakers) and a 2nd amp which is a 5xchannel pushing the same. but I have to push the volume to around 14 to really get the dynamics and fill the room. of course some movies are louder than others but has anyone have a similar situation as well. My speakers are Arendals 1723S THX...they are not as sensitive as others and just saw a post of someone running their Volume at around 20. that would be a bit quiet for me. I've noticed problem 1 but not often. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 22, 2021 11:53:17 GMT -5
I quite like the On Screen Display but could live without it. The live menu audio update is not so crucial - the settings could just be applied on exiting the menu. Web interface? To control the processor Is this going to be using the ethernet port that seems to create problems if something is actually left plugged in to it?!? I "liked" one the of the posts that was getting a lot of positive feedback a few pages back. Basically saying I would like to keep the OSD for Volume and Info but would like everything else to be through a web interface. But this point brings out something I hadn't considered. I leave the network cable unplugged from my XMC-2 because the unit was locking up constantly before I unplugged it. To the point it wasn't really unusable for more than 10 to 15 minutes before locking up completely again and having to do a hard reset. I haven't tried plugging back in the network cable to the unit since updating to v 2.2, but have little hope anything's changed since I have heard to updates related to that - or if there's even a consensus that this is an actual bug/issue. One thing I may try is disabling CEC when I plug the cable in next time. I've had issues with CEC being enabled and the unit locking up, but it's far less frequently than when I had the network cable plugged in. Maybe the two of them together were causing the issues much more frequently when combined? I have not idea honestly, just thinking out loud. I have my network cable always plugged in connected directly to my router. No issues with lock-up. This is likely a CEC issue. |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 22, 2021 12:04:11 GMT -5
Considering that HDMI handshaking and negotiation is such a challenge in the first place, I'm not sure this would do anything but cause more issues. A fully functional API, that is a bit more consumable for the masses, would make this " Web interface " concept far easier while satisfy many other consumer requests. And you think going to a whole new setup they haven't done before is going to have few issues? The same programmers you continue to beat on? Not in this lifetime. |
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Post by richb on Feb 22, 2021 12:06:48 GMT -5
I personally agree as well... I personally always use the Front Panel display anyway...
HOWEVER a lot of users I talk to DO use the full menu OSD... Many of them don't even have the processor in sight of the display at all and rely entirely on the OSD... And, unfortunately, it's nowhere as simple as "just put an option to turn it off". A closer analogy would be the power steering on your car. It not just "physically" displaying the OSD that takes all the work and slows things down. It's the programming involved in making it possible to display it. Converting over entirely to a Web-based display would take a massive amount of programming effort.
And the simple reality is that some customers would find it incredibly inconvenient "to have to use a computer to control their processor". Believe it or not, not everyone has a computer in every room, or carries around a smart phone with a Web browser on it... (Not everyone is permanently attached to their phone...at least not when they're sitting at home watching TV.)
I firmly believe that if more users were accepting of having no OSD other than for maybe “Input/Output Info” and “Volume”, then this would have been addressed awhile ago. Lonnie has already went on record stating that he supports removing it. Personally, if it makes for a better user experience by offloading the “live” Settings menu to a web interface, I’m all for it... There is an OSD (On Screen Display) and the OSM (On Screen Menu). There is no performance issue with the OSD. There is a performance issue with the OSM. Mostly, I think it is fine, but if you are playing with trims or PEQ and it is unpleasant. The Live changes are particular slow because some seem to implement a delay to apply live changes but others do not wait. If all the live changes has a 2 second delay (for example), then the menus would feel much faster, though that seems counter intuitive. A web interface runs a phone and tablet via WIFI so I don't think this is a computer in every room We are where we are, so universal delay to live changes would help. - Rich |
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