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Post by moophone on Feb 22, 2021 18:34:21 GMT -5
I dont see ay measurable change with 2.2. Menu navigation is still super slow (they are only quick when not connected to any video source but impossible to read so far away), dirac is still flaky and takes multiple tries to calibrate (a lot of this is likely unstable dirac software on macOS).
When finally dialled in sounds good, but the time required to change inputs, waiting for the few second delay with flashing on the screen and never really knowing if its working or not for many seconds is super painfully slow and kills me every time.
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Post by tngiloy on Feb 22, 2021 22:00:47 GMT -5
Well, this is unfortunate. My 2 week old RMC-1L appears to be dead. When I power cycle it the front button flashes alternating orange/blue a few times and then... nothing. It was a weird series of events leading up to this: 1. My RMC-1L had been on playing music from my AppleTV. It stopped at some point while I was doing work. My TV said it had no HDMI connection. 2. I tried to change the input on the remote, then volume, then power, but nothing responded. 3. I power cycled the RMC twice, and both times it went through the power-up sequence but did not turn on. 4. The second time I tried to press the front power button to turn it on, the RMC "clicked" and I saw the internal power supply light turn off. 5. I power cycled again and there is no boot-up, just the flashing button. 6. I've tried leaving unplugged, disconnecting things, etc. Nothing. Frustrating. Has anyone experienced this? I'm going to contact Emo support obviously, but I didn't want to be without my HT tonight. From the manual- "Note: The halo ring on the front panel Standby button will flash alternating blue and amber to remind you when Zone 2 is On." Zone 2 may have been turned on accidentally with the remote. Try turning Zone 2 off and see if that helps. |
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Post by jasonf on Feb 22, 2021 22:11:04 GMT -5
Well, this is unfortunate. My 2 week old RMC-1L appears to be dead. When I power cycle it the front button flashes alternating orange/blue a few times and then... nothing. It was a weird series of events leading up to this: 1. My RMC-1L had been on playing music from my AppleTV. It stopped at some point while I was doing work. My TV said it had no HDMI connection. 2. I tried to change the input on the remote, then volume, then power, but nothing responded. 3. I power cycled the RMC twice, and both times it went through the power-up sequence but did not turn on. 4. The second time I tried to press the front power button to turn it on, the RMC "clicked" and I saw the internal power supply light turn off. 5. I power cycled again and there is no boot-up, just the flashing button. 6. I've tried leaving unplugged, disconnecting things, etc. Nothing. Frustrating. Has anyone experienced this? I'm going to contact Emo support obviously, but I didn't want to be without my HT tonight. From the manual- "Note: The halo ring on the front panel Standby button will flash alternating blue and amber to remind you when Zone 2 is On." Zone 2 may have been turned on accidentally with the remote. Try turning Zone 2 off and see if that helps. Oh man, I'm an idiot. Somehow I turned off the front-buttons in the advanced menu, and I was trying to use the front button to turn on after power cycling. I'm able to start it up fine now. |
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Post by Thunderduck on Feb 22, 2021 23:41:51 GMT -5
From the manual- "Note: The halo ring on the front panel Standby button will flash alternating blue and amber to remind you when Zone 2 is On." Zone 2 may have been turned on accidentally with the remote. Try turning Zone 2 off and see if that helps. Oh man, I'm an idiot. Somehow I turned off the front-buttons in the advanced menu, and I was trying to use the front button to turn on after power cycling. I'm able to start it up fine now. Join the club! I have had my fair share of head slapping moments. |
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Post by jasonf on Feb 22, 2021 23:58:17 GMT -5
Fast forwarding to July, 2020, I decided that the G3 firmware was stable enough to jump back in and traded my XMC-1 up to an RMC-1L. So far, I have not been disappointed and do not miss the 8805 (which I did, and will, keep). Can you share a quick review on your impressions about the 8805 compared to the RMC-1? Does the 8805 still have the Marantz "house sound"? I've only experienced their mid-tier stuff, and the sound is pretty warm/slow in general. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 23, 2021 5:59:19 GMT -5
Fast forwarding to July, 2020, I decided that the G3 firmware was stable enough to jump back in and traded my XMC-1 up to an RMC-1L. So far, I have not been disappointed and do not miss the 8805 (which I did, and will, keep). Can you share a quick review on your impressions about the 8805 compared to the RMC-1? Does the 8805 still have the Marantz "house sound"? I've only experienced their mid-tier stuff, and the sound is pretty warm/slow in general. I never liked my Marantz 8002 AVR. Now, it locked up twice in 11 years. So, there's that. But the sound was nothing special at all. When one replaced it with the RMC, I was shocked at the difference. I really want the RMC to be the answer. |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 23, 2021 8:05:48 GMT -5
Fast forwarding to July, 2020, I decided that the G3 firmware was stable enough to jump back in and traded my XMC-1 up to an RMC-1L. So far, I have not been disappointed and do not miss the 8805 (which I did, and will, keep). Can you share a quick review on your impressions about the 8805 compared to the RMC-1? Does the 8805 still have the Marantz "house sound"? I've only experienced their mid-tier stuff, and the sound is pretty warm/slow in general. I’ll give you the short version... all Marantz processors have that same “house sound”. Their choice of using a “slow” digital filter followed up by their proprietary HDAM analog output stages gives you that “warm and smooth” sonic characteristic. That “Marantz sound” will never change. Since I used both my 7703 and 8805 for HT purposes only, that sonic signature didn’t bother me whatsoever. But when it comes to music, almost any processor will sound brighter, less reserved and more detailed. In that respect, my RMC-1L is clearly better. While I didn’t have both the 7703 and 8805 at the same time (and one didn’t follow the other), I do believe the 8805 was a significant step above the 7703. Marantz made a ton of part changes beginning with their xx05 lineup that directly targeted the signal path. Hope that answers your question... 😊 |
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Post by davidl81 on Feb 23, 2021 8:20:31 GMT -5
Can you share a quick review on your impressions about the 8805 compared to the RMC-1? Does the 8805 still have the Marantz "house sound"? I've only experienced their mid-tier stuff, and the sound is pretty warm/slow in general. I’ll give you the short version... all Marantz processors have that same “house sound”. Their choice of using a “slow” digital filter followed up by their proprietary HDAM analog output stages gives you that “warm and smooth” sonic characteristic. That “Marantz sound” will never change. Since I used both my 7703 and 8805 for HT purposes only, that sonic signature didn’t bother me whatsoever. But when it comes to music, almost any processor will sound brighter, less reserved and more detailed. In that respect, my RMC-1L is clearly better. While I didn’t have both the 7703 and 8805 at the same time (and one didn’t follow the other), I do believe the 8805 was a significant step above the 7703. Marantz made a ton of part changes beginning with their xx05 lineup that directly targeted the signal path. Hope that answers your question... 😊 I will add to Doc's post since I had a Marantz AV8802A and swapped to a RMC-1. In HT use the differences are small and I think mostly it comes down to DIRAC being better than Audyssey. But in two channel usage the difference between the RMC and the AV8802 are night and day. The RMC is much more detailed and to docs point much less reserved than the Marantz. It's almost like the Marantz had a blanket over your speakers, and the RMC was taking that blanket off. If I was just doing HT the Marantz may be better than the RMC just from a stability stand point (although the RMC is much much better now than it was a year ago), but if you are doing any decent amount of music then the RMC wins hands down. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 11:53:25 GMT -5
Weird volume abnormality post Dirac calibration. Twice after running a Dirac calibration with firmware 2.2 my volume display has a .5 added to it (eg. 20.5, or 23.5). Thankfully, a simple power cycling fixes it.
Some good news with 2.2 is that thus far I have been able to pause streaming services on my Tivo based cable box without the RMC-1 locking up. With 2.1 I couldn't pause for more than 1-2 minutes.
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 23, 2021 12:02:20 GMT -5
Weird volume abnormality post Dirac calibration. Twice after running a Dirac calibration with firmware 2.2 my volume display has a .5 added to it (eg. 20.5, or 23.5). Thankfully, a simple power cycling fixes it. Some good news with 2.2 is that thus far I have been able to pause streaming services on my Tivo based cable box without the RMC-1 locking up. With 2.1 I couldn't pause for more than 1-2 minutes. This .5 issue has been mentioned many times before. Not sure why it happens, but the power cycle seems to fix it. |
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Post by ttocs on Feb 23, 2021 12:43:17 GMT -5
The Volume .5 issue can easily be cleared by turning the volume all the way down where it zeroes out.
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Post by megash0n on Feb 23, 2021 12:43:21 GMT -5
Weird volume abnormality post Dirac calibration. Twice after running a Dirac calibration with firmware 2.2 my volume display has a .5 added to it (eg. 20.5, or 23.5). Thankfully, a simple power cycling fixes it. Some good news with 2.2 is that thus far I have been able to pause streaming services on my Tivo based cable box without the RMC-1 locking up. With 2.1 I couldn't pause for more than 1-2 minutes. This .5 issue has been mentioned many times before. Not sure why it happens, but the power cycle seems to fix it. quite possibly the reduction of 10dB for Dirac headroom plus .5dB as a rounding error bandaid. This is as simple as I can say it. Hopefully you understand my logic. |
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Post by atomic4877 on Feb 23, 2021 12:56:25 GMT -5
Can you share a quick review on your impressions about the 8805 compared to the RMC-1? Does the 8805 still have the Marantz "house sound"? I've only experienced their mid-tier stuff, and the sound is pretty warm/slow in general. I’ll give you the short version... all Marantz processors have that same “house sound”. Their choice of using a “slow” digital filter followed up by their proprietary HDAM analog output stages gives you that “warm and smooth” sonic characteristic. That “Marantz sound” will never change. Since I used both my 7703 and 8805 for HT purposes only, that sonic signature didn’t bother me whatsoever. But when it comes to music, almost any processor will sound brighter, less reserved and more detailed. In that respect, my RMC-1L is clearly better. While I didn’t have both the 7703 and 8805 at the same time (and one didn’t follow the other), I do believe the 8805 was a significant step above the 7703. Marantz made a ton of part changes beginning with their xx05 lineup that directly targeted the signal path. Hope that answers your question... 😊 Just to piggy back off this, I came from an 8805 just before getting my RMC-1. The one big difference I have noticed between the two is the channel separation. The RMC-1 is much better in this department. That’s the biggest thing I have noticed. |
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Post by sayedahmed on Feb 23, 2021 14:41:24 GMT -5
jayce996It seems that we are facing the same issue; I reached the part of "Check D Audio" as well. Please let me know if you managed to resolve the issue.
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Post by jasonf on Feb 23, 2021 15:35:13 GMT -5
Just to piggy back off this, I came from an 8805 just before getting my RMC-1. The one big difference I have noticed between the two is the channel separation. The RMC-1 is much better in this department. That’s the biggest thing I have noticed. I will add to Doc's post since I had a Marantz AV8802A and swapped to a RMC-1. In HT use the differences are small and I think mostly it comes down to DIRAC being better than Audyssey. But in two channel usage the difference between the RMC and the AV8802 are night and day. The RMC is much more detailed and to docs point much less reserved than the Marantz. It's almost like the Marantz had a blanket over your speakers, and the RMC was taking that blanket off. If I was just doing HT the Marantz may be better than the RMC just from a stability stand point (although the RMC is much much better now than it was a year ago), but if you are doing any decent amount of music then the RMC wins hands down. I’ll give you the short version... all Marantz processors have that same “house sound”. Their choice of using a “slow” digital filter followed up by their proprietary HDAM analog output stages gives you that “warm and smooth” sonic characteristic. That “Marantz sound” will never change. Since I used both my 7703 and 8805 for HT purposes only, that sonic signature didn’t bother me whatsoever. But when it comes to music, almost any processor will sound brighter, less reserved and more detailed. In that respect, my RMC-1L is clearly better. While I didn’t have both the 7703 and 8805 at the same time (and one didn’t follow the other), I do believe the 8805 was a significant step above the 7703. Marantz made a ton of part changes beginning with their xx05 lineup that directly targeted the signal path. Hope that answers your question... 😊 Thank you for all of the input! I only ran the Marantz NR1506 with my old B&W 606 based HT, so I had that feeling. I added an XSP-1, ERC-4, and XPA DR-2 for 2-channel duty once upgrading my speakers. I was originally planning to keep the XSP-1 for 2-channel, but to my ears the RMC-1L sounds better. |
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Post by fransfar on Feb 23, 2021 16:04:26 GMT -5
jayce996It seems that we are facing the same issue; I reached the part of "Check D Audio" as well. Please let me know if you managed to resolve the issue. A similar issue was solved by reloading firmware 2.1, followed by a factory reset, and upload of firmware 2.2. This seems to do the trick. The firmware update was followed with another upload of dirac backup. One thing that really changed with this latest firmware is the level of bass. Had to decrease sub channel by 7db to match former levels!!! |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 23, 2021 16:15:14 GMT -5
jayce996It seems that we are facing the same issue; I reached the part of "Check D Audio" as well. Please let me know if you managed to resolve the issue. A similar issue was solved by reloading firmware 2.1, followed by a factory reset, and upload of firmware 2.2. This seems to do the trick. The firmware update was followed with another upload of dirac backup. One thing that really changed with this latest firmware is the level of bass. Had to decrease sub channel by 7db to match former levels!!! Are you saying the bass increased with 2.2? That did not happen with my setup, but I have not re-run Dirac. |
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Post by sayedahmed on Feb 23, 2021 16:18:49 GMT -5
jayce996 It seems that we are facing the same issue; I reached the part of "Check D Audio" as well. Please let me know if you managed to resolve the issue. A similar issue was solved by reloading firmware 2.1, followed by a factory reset, and upload of firmware 2.2. This seems to do the trick. The firmware update was followed with another upload of dirac backup. One thing that really changed with this latest firmware is the level of bass. Had to decrease sub channel by 7db to match former levels!!! Didn't work in my case. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 23, 2021 16:19:45 GMT -5
A similar issue was solved by reloading firmware 2.1, followed by a factory reset, and upload of firmware 2.2. This seems to do the trick. The firmware update was followed with another upload of dirac backup. One thing that really changed with this latest firmware is the level of bass. Had to decrease sub channel by 7db to match former levels!!! Are you saying the bass increased with 2.2? That did not happen with my setup, but I have not re-run Dirac. I've been thinking the same. This would certainly encourage me to get the laptop out and run Dirac again. I could always use mo bass. Update us if you find out please. 😊 |
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Post by fransfar on Feb 23, 2021 16:47:51 GMT -5
A similar issue was solved by reloading firmware 2.1, followed by a factory reset, and upload of firmware 2.2. This seems to do the trick. The firmware update was followed with another upload of dirac backup. One thing that really changed with this latest firmware is the level of bass. Had to decrease sub channel by 7db to match former levels!!! Are you saying the bass increased with 2.2? That did not happen with my setup, but I have not re-run Dirac. Prior to firmware update, I saved a copy of the Dirac calibration on usb. Re-loaded this back up once firmware update was completed. Re-checked levels using internal tone generator. Had subs at +2db before update and this now had to be reduced to -5db to get former level (75db/slow reading/centre weghted). All other channels remained almost the same. |
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