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Post by hytram on Jun 7, 2020 9:50:45 GMT -5
Can we actually get the Dirac we paid for first?
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Post by dwander on Jun 7, 2020 10:02:05 GMT -5
I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? I’ve never used Dirac before so I am curious on how it sounds. I read through the emotiva Dirac manual yesterday which has a lot of good information. Now, it also has more typos than a 3rd grade book report but still answered a lot of my questions.
Can the bass control do things that the minidsp can’t? Or is it just that it does it for you? Also, if you used a miniDSP for multiple subs, and ran regular Dirac, then what would be the difference between it with and without single sub bass control?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 7, 2020 10:43:20 GMT -5
Can we actually get the Dirac we paid for first? I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? ... I think there’s no question that the Dirac Live we paid for will be first, but with Emo’s statement that they expect to support Dirac Base Control this discussion tells us two things: One, that there is much interest in DBC and some people are willing to spend the significant add on price, Two, that in order for the new processors to support DBC, they need to be able to support Dirac Live 3.x created filters.
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Post by dwander on Jun 7, 2020 11:02:17 GMT -5
Can we actually get the Dirac we paid for first? I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? ... I think there’s no question that the Dirac Live we paid for will be first, but with Emo’s statement that they expect to support Dirac Base Control this discussion tells us two things: One, that there is much interest in DBC and some people are willing to spend the significant add on price, Two, that in order for the new processors to support DBC, they need to be able to run Dirac Live 3.x. Oh cool. I didn’t know they said they will support it. That’s good news, if people are happy with its results.
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Post by bblv on Jun 7, 2020 11:19:48 GMT -5
How about package the 4-channel subwoofer expansion module with the Dirac Bass Control software upgrade? I'd be a day 1 buyer.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 7, 2020 12:42:30 GMT -5
How about package the 4-channel subwoofer expansion module with the Dirac Bass Control software upgrade? I'd be a day 1 buyer. It’s nice to think about, but realistically for that to happen Emotiva and Dirac would have to work out a reciprocal sales agreement to discount the products, and with as many vendors as Dirac deals with, the likelihood of that happening is about zero.
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Post by richb on Jun 7, 2020 12:49:27 GMT -5
Can we actually get the Dirac we paid for first? I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? ... I think there’s no question that the Dirac Live we paid for will be first, but with Emo’s statement that they expect to support Dirac Base Control this discussion tells us two things: One, that there is much interest in DBC and some people are willing to spend the significant add on price, Two, that in order for the new processors to support DBC, they need to be able to run Dirac Live 3.x. One: Absolutely, if you have outfitted your HT with multiple subs, DBC is something that should be considered. If it works as advertised. Two: I do not think this is correct. Last I read, DBC is available on Dirac 2.x base. 3.0 was, paraphrasing, a step-up that deserved a version upgrade. That is marketing. Perhaps, Dirac intends to push a base license upgrade on the vendors. If so, that is a bit sketchy... - Rich
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Post by marcl on Jun 7, 2020 13:12:17 GMT -5
I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? I’ve never used Dirac before so I am curious on how it sounds. I read through the emotiva Dirac manual yesterday which has a lot of good information. Now, it also has more typos than a 3rd grade book report but still answered a lot of my questions. Can the bass control do things that the minidsp can’t? Or is it just that it does it for you? Also, if you used a miniDSP for multiple subs, and ran regular Dirac, then what would be the difference between it with and without single sub bass control? Bass Control does things that no other product does. It phase aligns pairs of speakers, and that is a benefit even if you just have one subwoofer. Then if you have multiple subs it aligns all the speakers. It also integrates management of crossover points with the impulse response and filter functions to optimize the sound in a holistic way. No other product does this. Once we have basic Dirac 2.0 you can use a miniDSP to time and gain align multiple subwoofers, and then connect the miniDSP to one subwoofer output of the RMC/XMC and run Dirac. Dirac will see the multiple subs connected to the miniDSP as one sub and correct the combined response. And it will align the combined subs (which are aligned with each other) to the rest of the speakers in the system. I and many others did this with the XMC-1 and it works really well.
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Post by ttocs on Jun 7, 2020 13:29:50 GMT -5
Once we have basic Dirac 2.0 you can use a miniDSP to time and gain align multiple subwoofers, and then connect the miniDSP to one subwoofer output of the RMC/XMC and run Dirac. Dirac will see the multiple subs connected to the miniDSP as one sub and correct the combined response. And it will align the combined subs (which are aligned with each other) to the rest of the speakers in the system. I and many others did this with the XMC-1 and it works really well. Where do we sign up for your instructional course? We can Zoom it! Seriously though, do we leave all miniDSP controlled subs On and connected to 1 output and let Dirac do its thing? Is it that simple?
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Post by markc on Jun 7, 2020 14:03:39 GMT -5
1) The Surround Sound Processor does not run Dirac Live. Dirac live is run upon a laptop or PC. Our laptop or PC will always be able to run the latest version. 2) There is no Dirac Live 2.0.x, anymore than there is still Windows 8. The current version of Dirac live is 3.0.0 and that is the only version available for users to download and run, (with the exception of the custom Dirac vers. 1 for processors like the XMC-1 and some NAD processors of old.) ergo: Emotiva users will be using Dirac Live 3.0.0 (or whatever version is the newest current one at the time) , the same as Storm, Arcam, Monoprice etc, as Dirac Live uses the same configuration software to measure room response and generate the filters for every SSP manufacturer. Emotiva users will then use the connecting interface box (EDNIB) to upload these filters to the XMC-2 / RMC (Needed for the Emotivas because our processors use a different DSP and ARM core than Denon/Marantz/Arcam etc as per Keith's post emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/936836/thread
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Post by markc on Jun 7, 2020 14:08:27 GMT -5
Can we actually get the Dirac we paid for first? Here is an Emotiva teaser that "Dirac Live is in the building" on the RMC-1 product page, and running on 7.2.4 at that..... (The RMC-1L and XMC-2 pages still have Dirac 1.0 image from the XMC-1 version)
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Post by foggy1956 on Jun 7, 2020 14:50:16 GMT -5
I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? I’ve never used Dirac before so I am curious on how it sounds. I read through the emotiva Dirac manual yesterday which has a lot of good information. Now, it also has more typos than a 3rd grade book report but still answered a lot of my questions. Can the bass control do things that the minidsp can’t? Or is it just that it does it for you? Also, if you used a miniDSP for multiple subs, and ran regular Dirac, then what would be the difference between it with and without single sub bass control? Bass Control does things that no other product does. It phase aligns pairs of speakers, and that is a benefit even if you just have one subwoofer. Then if you have multiple subs it aligns all the speakers. It also integrates management of crossover points with the impulse response and filter functions to optimize the sound in a holistic way. No other product does this. Once we have basic Dirac 2.0 you can use a miniDSP to time and gain align multiple subwoofers, and then connect the miniDSP to one subwoofer output of the RMC/XMC and run Dirac. Dirac will see the multiple subs connected to the miniDSP as one sub and correct the combined response. And it will align the combined subs (which are aligned with each other) to the rest of the speakers in the system. I and many others did this with the XMC-1 and it works really well. This is how I have mine set up also, waiting for Dirac.
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Post by markc on Jun 7, 2020 14:51:23 GMT -5
Can we actually get the Dirac we paid for first? Here is an Emotiva teaser that "Dirac Live is in the building" on the RMC-1 product page, and running on 7.2.4 at that..... (The RMC-1L and XMC-2 pages still have Dirac 1.0 image from the XMC-1 version) Oh, and whatever those main and surround speakers are, they look pretty capable right down to the low bass tones - not much drop off at 40Hz even!
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Post by dwander on Jun 7, 2020 15:28:26 GMT -5
I was under impression that the bass control wasn’t going to be available on emotiva products. Is that not the case? I’ve never used Dirac before so I am curious on how it sounds. I read through the emotiva Dirac manual yesterday which has a lot of good information. Now, it also has more typos than a 3rd grade book report but still answered a lot of my questions. Can the bass control do things that the minidsp can’t? Or is it just that it does it for you? Also, if you used a miniDSP for multiple subs, and ran regular Dirac, then what would be the difference between it with and without single sub bass control? Bass Control does things that no other product does. It phase aligns pairs of speakers, and that is a benefit even if you just have one subwoofer. Then if you have multiple subs it aligns all the speakers. It also integrates management of crossover points with the impulse response and filter functions to optimize the sound in a holistic way. No other product does this. Once we have basic Dirac 2.0 you can use a miniDSP to time and gain align multiple subwoofers, and then connect the miniDSP to one subwoofer output of the RMC/XMC and run Dirac. Dirac will see the multiple subs connected to the miniDSP as one sub and correct the combined response. And it will align the combined subs (which are aligned with each other) to the rest of the speakers in the system. I and many others did this with the XMC-1 and it works really well. Thanks for the response. That makes sense to me now. I had trouble understanding what the big deal was. I understood the ease of time aligning, phase matching, and EQing multiple subwoofers automatically but I didn’t think that alone was such a big deal since you could do it the way you described with the minidsp and Dirac. But what you described definitely sounds intriguing. Am I understanding you correctly that it’s more than just a subwoofer eq and works with the lower frequency response, phase, and crossover on all speakers in a new way? I’ve got 4 subs in my room. 2 different pairs. Adding the minidsp was a big plus just in making it easier to do things I could already do without it. Like muting and unmuting, gain, phase, etc. But I’d now be interested in trying out single sub in concert with minidsp when it becomes available. First have to learn Dirac though, so that’ll be the focus when it comes.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 7, 2020 15:37:23 GMT -5
1) The Surround Sound Processor does not run Dirac Live. Dirac live is run upon a laptop or PC. Our laptop or PC will always be able to run the latest version. 2) There is no Dirac Live 2.0.x, anymore than there is still Windows 8. The current version of Dirac live is 3.0.0 and that is the only version available for users to download and run, (with the exception of the custom Dirac vers. 1 for processors like the XMC-1 and some NAD processors of old.) ergo: Emotiva users will be using Dirac Live 3.0.0 (or whatever version is the newest current one at the time) , the same as Storm, Arcam, Monoprice etc, as Dirac Live uses the same configuration software to measure room response and generate the filters for every SSP manufacturer. Emotiva users will then use the connecting interface box (EDNIB) to upload these filters to the XMC-2 / RMC (Needed for the Emotivas because our processors use a different DSP and ARM core than Denon/Marantz/Arcam etc as per Keith's post emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/936836/thread I’m not sure your post added any information, but I did edit my wording so as not to confuse. My second point however, was that if there is ‘something new’ in Dirac Live 3.x that needs to be supported, and that Emotiva did not expect, it could delay the release. I’m hoping, it’s just a number.
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 7, 2020 16:03:18 GMT -5
New here. New to emotiva. I’ve got the xmc-2 up and running but the dts neural x issue is disappointing. I’ve read some of this thread in regards to others with the same issue. I just wanted to know if there was any progress on this. Is this something that should be worked out? I wanted to speak with customer service but figured I would ask other owners first. SQ for everything else I’ve tested is very impressive so really hoping for heres a positive answer here. Thanks! While owners can tell you what they hear from their systems regarding Neural X, they can't tell you if or when it will be 'worked out'. I'd say there's still some troubleshooting to do in order to make it reproducible in a consistently incorrect fashion that can be corrected (though some may think they've got a good idea). Of course it's possible that a coder will find the problem just by reviewing what's going on. If Neural X is your Valhalla you might want to wait, I mostly use the DSU and though I want to get this fixed, it doesn't currently affect my day to day use much. I think there's a strong consensus that it should be high on the punch list. I’ve done more testing on this subject. After a factory reset I have NO volume difference with Neural:X.. As long as I have top front and top rear activated. If I remove or change this I get the volume drop. This should be easy for Emotiva to replicate! It does not matter which DTS track they test with. They all behave the same. There is a real problem with Neural:X. It seems hardcoded to 7.1.4 setup with tops somehow. This is not how Neural:X behaves on other platforms.
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 7, 2020 16:11:46 GMT -5
While owners can tell you what they hear from their systems regarding Neural X, they can't tell you if or when it will be 'worked out'. I'd say there's still some troubleshooting to do in order to make it reproducible in a consistently incorrect fashion that can be corrected (though some may think they've got a good idea). Of course it's possible that a coder will find the problem just by reviewing what's going on. If Neural X is your Valhalla you might want to wait, I mostly use the DSU and though I want to get this fixed, it doesn't currently affect my day to day use much. I think there's a strong consensus that it should be high on the punch list. Thanks for your input. And i agree that it’s not a big issue as far as day to day use. Majority movies are in Dolby, and tv content isn’t an issue either. But I’d just have an issue taking a big step backwards in sound quality with specific movies that are in dts. So I’d ultimately have to make a decision if it’s worth keeping or not. I appreciate the response Sony apparently has presented several (many) titles in DTS:X and IMAX enhanced formats for future releases. Also still most 1080p bluray releases are in DTS-HD MA.
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Post by wkingincharge on Jun 7, 2020 17:09:52 GMT -5
We watched the latest Jumanji movie today through the RMC-1 which is native DTS-X and although the movie was decent the overall volume/dynamics were non existent across all channels. The master volume lockout was originally set at -18 and that is more than enough for 99 percent of the Movies and Music. I went ahead and change the master volume lockout to -10 and it still was way low so I put it back to -18 as that is a great safety feature. My experience has been good with the RMC-1 until today so I hope it is something minor in the bigger picture.
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Post by dlxp on Jun 7, 2020 17:45:54 GMT -5
I've noticed something odd with my XMC-2 lately. I've got a Chromecast Audio hooked up to one of the opticals.If I'm streaming via Tidal to that and switch to HDMI without turning off my Tidal stream, I can hear the stream playing, even though I've changed input to HDMI. That is to say, it plays the audio from the optical input over the top of the content from the HDMI input.
Has anyone else experienced this? It's not a big deal as I'll normally stop streaming before switching inputs (although my family won't always remember to stop their streaming). Still though, it suggests the inputs aren't isolated from one another.
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 7, 2020 18:05:52 GMT -5
We watched the latest Jumanji movie today through the RMC-1 which is native DTS-X and although the movie was decent the overall volume/dynamics were non existent across all channels. The master volume lockout was originally set at -18 and that is more than enough for 99 percent of the Movies and Music. I went ahead and change the master volume lockout to -10 and it still was way low so I put it back to -18 as that is a great safety feature. My experience has been good with the RMC-1 until today so I hope it is something minor in the bigger picture. Watched Bad Boys For Life earlier this week. Also a DTS:X + IMAX enhanced release. I thought this had really good sound and dynamics. If I remember correctly Jumanji The Next Level also had really good sound. Although watched this movie before doing a factory reset. Also I have a 7.2.4 setup with tops, which seems to be the favored setting by Emotiva regarding DTS. What speaker setup do you have?
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