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Post by markc on Jun 10, 2020 2:01:59 GMT -5
How do I do a full power off without using the rocker switch on the back? (Doing this to a Windows PC is a bad, bad thing to do and causes file corruptions) I read that holding the Power Button for 6 seconds works, but not for me. Is this correct? I routinely use Video On Standby but sometimes it is good practice for OS based computers to shut down and do a full reboot, and sometimes it is necessary to do it resolve a quirk (Such as the "Stuck on PCM" trait that the XMC-2/RMC has). It was also necessary to get my Samsung TV to establish a reliable ARC connection. I tried holding the front main power button. I tried holding the Power Off button on my Harmony for 10 seconds (The original remote is unused in the box in the attic) Going into the setup menu and setting preference to Low Power Standby, then restarting, then resetting to Video On Standby seems to be the only way I can find to do it. What am I doing wrong? Your solution is actually pretty inventive! Good goin'! The couple times I've experienced that the Front Panel Power Button won't turn off the unit, neither would the remote, but that was when the unit was totally unresponsive. Also, I've noticed that remotes other than the Emotiva PR-1 can do things differently, so using the Harmony remote may not provide the same experience as the PR-1 when holding the Standby button for 6 seconds to shut down. Lastly, with my XMC-2 and my XMC-1, you could set your clock to the 6 seconds needed to shut down, so if it's not happening in 10 seconds something is wrong. OK, yes, I meant during a lockup, when your post agrees with my finding as neither front button nor remote works, and it seems the rear rocker switch is the only way to go. I hate hard resetting electronics. Although unlike a Windows PC, I guess that the XMC-/RMC firmware is on internal Flash memory so it is not possible to corrupt the files during a hard reset? Incidentally, I only get these lockups on my XMC-2 when I am in the Menu/Setup menu, changing configurations, and NEVER during usage, even when using the Menu/Main listening mode changes (Loudness, Surround mode, Trims etc I try to remember to never have any audio playing if I am in the Setup menu for this reason but sometimes forget. Actually, I almost never go into my setup mode now. I am just listening/watching and absorbing now and not tuning or adjusting my system. Everything is setup and on auto. I have a "set and forget" living room home theatre and I am delighted with the sound and performance of my XMC-2
(For those who read my extensive previous posts you might find this hard to believe, but it's true. It took me a while to get it there and I still have unnecessary workarounds in place, but whilst the things that don't work and ought to are still there, they are in the background now (But still ought to work! Like these lockups occurring! The lockups will occur most when a new buyer first gets the XMC-2/RMC and is setting it up for the first time. From a customer satisfaction point of view, this is the worst time to experience problems and if Emotiva don't want people using the 30 day returns policy or criticising the products this and other forums, they should sort this! I think I probably have done 20 hard resets using the rocker switch in my first two weeks of ownership and maybe one since)) I don't know what is behind it, but even without Dirac on the XMC-2, I enjoy watching movies so much more than with the XMC-1. At normal listening volumes the dialogue is now just so much easier to understand now, whereas with the XMC-1 I was often (almost every time) having to change the Loudness or Dynamic Range Control or turning Dirac on/off or adjusting centre channel trim level to be able to hear dialogue properly without cranking the sound right up (and risking complaints from the moody guy who lives below me) I don't know why my XMC-1 was like that. I just concluded it was my high frequency hearing loss. (I even did a couple of entire system resets and remeasuring of Dirac in the five years I had the XMC-1 to try and solve this problem and, at one point, even looked inside my three way centre speaker to see if polarities were wrongly reversed with the wiring!). Since I have had the XMC-2, the audio balance has been awesome! Zero problems with dialogue at any volume. Nothing else changed in the three weeks while my XMC-1 was being upgraded to XMC-2. Exact same cables and setup. (Although don't forget that I have one ongoing major gripe with the XMC-2: dts Neural:X! I still have my HTPC and Blu-ray player configured to NOT send any 5.1 or stereo DTS to my XMC-2 but use PCM instead because the DTS Neural upmixer gives unacceptable results. As an additional minor gripe, the Bi-Amp using Front Wide Channels causes Dolby and DTS upmixers to be engaged when they shouldn't be, so I also don't use this. It ought to be fixed, or removed as a configurable option)
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Post by markc on Jun 10, 2020 2:08:54 GMT -5
Now that Dirac for the XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1 appears to be closer, starting to think about trading in my XMC-1 for either the XMC-2 or RMC-1L and struggling with the decision. I do have 7 XPA-1L balanced mono blocks , don’t ever plan to expand 7.2.4. I’m struggling with the $1,000 difference for the all channels balanced difference in price. 70% home theater, 30% traditional audio usage and wanted to get some opinions before deciding Firstly, do the upgrade! Just Do it! Read my post I just made, however, and prepare for a couple of weeks of frustration if you like to fine tune your setup. Regarding XMC-2 vs RMC-1L - it is your call The RMC-1L sure looks nicer with it's two front panels when you see them side by side, but the visual upgrade going from the XMC-1 to XMC-2 is also a quantum leap so I don't notice not having the RMC-1 I always have my front displays fully dimmed to 0% as it is sat below my centre speaker below the TV. Besides, I can't read the front panel displays from my listening position so having two info displays wouldn't really help me! I use the OSD info button if needed. So, then it comes down to have dual mono DAC mode for your RMC-1L surround and height and whatever speakers as opposed to just the LCR in the XMC-2. For me, £1000 for some theoretical numbers that are beyond my 50 year old hearing ability was a no brainer, and I got the XMC-2
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 10, 2020 7:58:55 GMT -5
Now that Dirac for the XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1 appears to be closer, starting to think about trading in my XMC-1 for either the XMC-2 or RMC-1L and struggling with the decision. I do have 7 XPA-1L balanced mono blocks , don’t ever plan to expand 7.2.4. I’m struggling with the $1,000 difference for the all channels balanced difference in price. 70% home theater, 30% traditional audio usage and wanted to get some opinions before deciding Firstly, do the upgrade! Just Do it! Read my post I just made, however, and prepare for a couple of weeks of frustration if you like to fine tune your setup. Regarding XMC-2 vs RMC-1L - it is your call The RMC-1L sure looks nicer with it's two front panels when you see them side by side, but the visual upgrade going from the XMC-1 to XMC-2 is also a quantum leap so I don't notice not having the RMC-1 I always have my front displays fully dimmed to 0% as it is sat below my centre speaker below the TV. Besides, I can't read the front panel displays from my listening position so having two info displays wouldn't really help me! I use the OSD info button if needed. So, then it comes down to have dual mono DAC mode for your RMC-1L surround and height and whatever speakers as opposed to just the LCR in the XMC-2. For me, £1000 for some theoretical numbers that are beyond my 50 year old hearing ability was a no brainer, and I got the XMC-2 I really think the XMC-2 is the best value for the money by far of the three processors. I have no idea if fully balanced surround speakers would make any real difference, but I mean it can't hurt. And really as crass as this may sound it is going to depend on how big of a deal the $1000 is to you. If it is a small part of your upgrade budget then yeah just get the RMC-1l and you will never question if you should have done something differently.
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Post by thxultra on Jun 10, 2020 9:15:53 GMT -5
Firstly, do the upgrade! Just Do it! Read my post I just made, however, and prepare for a couple of weeks of frustration if you like to fine tune your setup. Regarding XMC-2 vs RMC-1L - it is your call The RMC-1L sure looks nicer with it's two front panels when you see them side by side, but the visual upgrade going from the XMC-1 to XMC-2 is also a quantum leap so I don't notice not having the RMC-1 I always have my front displays fully dimmed to 0% as it is sat below my centre speaker below the TV. Besides, I can't read the front panel displays from my listening position so having two info displays wouldn't really help me! I use the OSD info button if needed. So, then it comes down to have dual mono DAC mode for your RMC-1L surround and height and whatever speakers as opposed to just the LCR in the XMC-2. For me, £1000 for some theoretical numbers that are beyond my 50 year old hearing ability was a no brainer, and I got the XMC-2 I really think the XMC-2 is the best value for the money by far of the three processors. I have no idea if fully balanced surround speakers would make any real difference, but I mean it can't hurt. And really as crass as this may sound it is going to depend on how big of a deal the $1000 is to you. If it is a small part of your upgrade budget then yeah just get the RMC-1l and you will never question if you should have done something differently. The XMC-2 also has fully balanced surround speakers but the DAC for all the channels but the mains and center run in stereo mode instead of mono mode. I do agree the XMC-2 is the best bang for the buck. Maybe with a perfectly treated room you will hear the difference between the RMC-1L and the XMC-2.
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 10, 2020 9:58:05 GMT -5
Now that Dirac for the XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1 appears to be closer, starting to think about trading in my XMC-1 for either the XMC-2 or RMC-1L and struggling with the decision. I do have 7 XPA-1L balanced mono blocks , don’t ever plan to expand 7.2.4. I’m struggling with the $1,000 difference for the all channels balanced difference in price. 70% home theater, 30% traditional audio usage and wanted to get some opinions before deciding Much like you, I fought with the same decision. Ultimately, I ended up deciding to go with the RMC-1L. Since there is no likely audible difference between the XMC-2 and either of the RMC models, for me, it came down to personal preferences which I’ll gladly share. I do like the dual OLED displays. I have the left screen set to show the active source and the right screen set to show the active decoder. When I change the volume, the right display automatically changes to show your progress, then back to your preferred setting. When you enter a setup or status request, the left window changes to show you what your requesting, then back to your preferred setting. All of this (except for the full status or setup menu) is displayed in nice BIG lettering that is easily read from across the room. I also like the multi function controller (even though I hardly touch it) as I prefer the “clean” appearance with fewer "blue buttons". I also like the fact that all 16 channels are consistent across the board (even though actually “hearing” the difference is not likely). That just satisfies my personal peace of mind. I do appreciate the higher quality chassis mounted RCA jacks as I have had the unfortunate experience of having the more traditional style jacks break or come apart. I've never had that happen with the "Tiffany" style jacks. So, in the grand scheme of things, your decision will come down to whether “your” preferences validate the additional money. For many, it’s not worth the additional grand. But for the rest of us, including myself, I only like to buy once and not regret my decision or suffer from the “what ifs” down the road. For me, it was easy to disqualify the RMC-1 as I will never go beyond 16 channels in my room and I don’t have any need for what the expansion slots may provide down the road. I already have an XSP-1 that I’ll never part with and, if I did, I have a plethora of outboard phono preamps and streaming devices. I’ve already invested in a MiniDSP for multi-sub integration and it works just fine. So, it came down to the XMC-2 and RMC-1L. And between those, it all comes down to preferences, whether those are worth the monetary difference, and will you be happy (in the long term) with your choice. There's no doubt that the XMC-2 is the biggest bang for your buck, but for me, the RMC-1L was worth the additional cost and I wish you the best with whichever you decide. Where it really counts, you’d be very happy with any of the three...
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Post by geebo on Jun 10, 2020 10:15:01 GMT -5
Now that Dirac for the XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1 appears to be closer, starting to think about trading in my XMC-1 for either the XMC-2 or RMC-1L and struggling with the decision. I do have 7 XPA-1L balanced mono blocks , don’t ever plan to expand 7.2.4. I’m struggling with the $1,000 difference for the all channels balanced difference in price. 70% home theater, 30% traditional audio usage and wanted to get some opinions before deciding Much like you, I fought with the same decision. Ultimately, I ended up deciding to go with the RMC-1L. Since there is no likely audible difference between the XMC-2 and either of the RMC models, for me, it came down to personal preferences which I’ll gladly share. I do like the dual OLED displays. I have the left screen set to show the active source and the right screen set to show the active decoder. When I change the volume, the right display automatically changes to show your progress, then back to your preferred setting. When you enter a setup or status request, the left window changes to show you what your requesting, then back to your preferred setting. All of this (except for the full status or setup menu) is displayed in nice BIG lettering that is easily read from across the room. I also like the multi function controller (even though I hardly touch it) as I prefer the “clean” appearance with fewer "blue buttons". I also like the fact that all 16 channels are consistent across the board (even though actually “hearing” the difference is not likely). That just satisfies my personal peace of mind. I do appreciate the higher quality chassis mounted RCA jacks as I have had the unfortunate experience of having the more traditional style jacks break or come apart. I've never had that happen with the "Tiffany" style jacks. So, in the grand scheme of things, your decision will come down to whether “your” preferences validate the additional money. For many, it’s not worth the additional grand. But for the rest of us, including myself, I only like to buy once and not regret my decision or suffer from the “what ifs” down the road. For me, it was easy to disqualify the RMC-1 as I will never go beyond 16 channels in my room and I don’t have any need for what the expansion slots may provide down the road. I already have an XSP-1 that I’ll never part with and, if I did, I have a plethora of outboard phono preamps and streaming devices. I’ve already invested in a MiniDSP for multi-sub integration and it works just fine. So, it came down to the XMC-2 and RMC-1L. And between those, it all comes down to preferences, whether those are worth the monetary difference, and will you be happy (in the long term) with your choice. There's no doubt that the XMC-2 is the biggest bang for your buck, but for me, the RMC-1L was worth the additional cost and I wish you the best with whichever you decide. Where it really counts, you’d be very happy with any of the three... I'll pretty much echo the above. The dual displays and the single input controller are worth it to me. I especially like not having to take my eyes of the display when using the control to look for buttons in a dimly lit room after leaving my reading glasses on the end table. I have the displays set show the bitstream and listening mode. I'm glad I went with the 1L. Oh, and the wife preferred the gold thingies on the back when she saw them at the Emotiva open house last year.
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Post by jjkessler on Jun 10, 2020 10:49:53 GMT -5
Thank you for the input and am leaning towards the RMC-1L for the reasons stated above. With the generous trade in allowance, it seems like I could have future regrets if I went the XMC-2 route when over time that price difference would be long forgotten
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Post by cawgijoe on Jun 10, 2020 10:59:39 GMT -5
I wanted the 1L, but went with the XMC-2 due to the unbelievable deal and not being able to justify in my mind the dual display and tiffany style connectors price difference. I don't regret getting the XMC-2 and currently have the display showing the audio bitstream.
If you are leaning towards the 1L, just get it. It's also a great deal with trade-in and you don't want regrets later if you were leaning in that direction anyway. The extra cash will be forgotten over time.
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Post by Lsc on Jun 10, 2020 12:19:10 GMT -5
I wanted the 1L, but went with the XMC-2 due to the unbelievable deal and not being able to justify in my mind the dual display and tiffany style connectors price difference. I don't regret getting the XMC-2 and currently have the display showing the audio bitstream. If you are leaning towards the 1L, just get it. It's also a great deal with trade-in and you don't want regrets later if you were leaning in that direction anyway. The extra cash will be forgotten over time. I didn’t have a choice since the 1L took longer to be released over the XMC2. While I do have some regret since I wonder if all the channels in mono mode would make a difference, I’m very content with how the XMC2 sounds. And yes I do put the single display to show “stereo” or whatever mode it’s in. The key is that these processors don’t last forever so the idea of getting the best value makes the most sense with processors imho. In this case the XMC2 as we all agree is by far the best value. So if you are thinking of resale as well and I used the UFL, I don’t think I’d be losing too much when I get the next processor.
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Post by zestychicken on Jun 10, 2020 12:27:35 GMT -5
[Running V1.10] So I just got the XMC-2 and I'm having trouble getting the video to send to my TV (Sony OLED) on initially turning devices on. The XMC-1 had this issue early on in the software and now it's rearing it's head again in the new model. My 7 year old Marantz never had this problem (though it certainly misses other features I want). However, being able to switch sources and display a picture is so basic to a prepro that the inability for this to be done consistently is incredibly deflating. Also, very hard to explain to my wife why the new processor requires that she switch sources back and forth on the TV and wait 15 seconds each time to see if the devices will handshake.
I have replaced all my HDMI cables with 18GB cables. I have downgraded 1.4 sources to 1.4. I have turned all my devices off for 10 seconds multiple times. The latter actually helps a bit but not when coming out of standby. I'm using a Harmony remote for what it's worth. I may play with the order things are turned on but I don't really think this should be necessary.
Got to make this consistently work.
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Post by markc on Jun 10, 2020 12:36:10 GMT -5
So I just got the XMC-2 and I'm having trouble getting the video to send to my TV (Sony OLED) on initially turning devices on. The XMC-1 had this issue early on in the software and now it's rearing it's head again in the new model. My 7 year old Marantz never had this problem (though it certainly misses other features I want). However, being able to switch sources and display a picture is so basic to a prepro that the inability for this to be done consistently is incredibly deflating. Also, very hard to explain to my wife why the new processor requires that she switch sources back and forth on the TV and wait 15 seconds each time to see if the devices will handshake. I have replaced all my HDMI cables with 18GB cables. I have downgraded 1.4 sources to 1.4. I have turned all my devices off for 10 seconds multiple times. The latter actually helps a bit but not when coming out of standby. I'm using a Harmony remote for what it's worth. I may play with the order things are turned on but I don't really think this should be necessary. Got to make this consistently work. Would "Just got" include having the V1.8 firmware that the last few weeks-worth of XMC-2 have had?? If so, that might explain the issues you are getting and doing an upgrade to V1.10 should help
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Post by ttocs on Jun 10, 2020 12:42:58 GMT -5
So I just got the XMC-2 and I'm having trouble getting the video to send to my TV (Sony OLED) on initially turning devices on. The XMC-1 had this issue early on in the software and now it's rearing it's head again in the new model. My 7 year old Marantz never had this problem (though it certainly misses other features I want). However, being able to switch sources and display a picture is so basic to a prepro that the inability for this to be done consistently is incredibly deflating. Also, very hard to explain to my wife why the new processor requires that she switch sources back and forth on the TV and wait 15 seconds each time to see if the devices will handshake. I have replaced all my HDMI cables with 18GB cables. I have downgraded 1.4 sources to 1.4. I have turned all my devices off for 10 seconds multiple times. The latter actually helps a bit but not when coming out of standby. I'm using a Harmony remote for what it's worth. I may play with the order things are turned on but I don't really think this should be necessary. Got to make this consistently work. In addition to what markc said about upgrading the firmware, take a look at your Sony tv HDMI setup and verify that the inputs are set to "Enhanced Format". This setting increases the bandwidth of the tv's HDMI inputs to full spec.
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Post by zestychicken on Jun 10, 2020 12:43:49 GMT -5
Would "Just got" include having the V1.8 firmware that the last few weeks-worth of XMC-2 have had?? If so, that might explain the issues you are getting and doing an upgrade to V1.10 should help No, I am up to date. Sorry should have made that clear. Will edit prior post.
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Post by zestychicken on Jun 10, 2020 12:45:15 GMT -5
Would "Just got" include having the V1.8 firmware that the last few weeks-worth of XMC-2 have had?? If so, that might explain the issues you are getting and doing an upgrade to V1.10 should help No, I am up to date. Sorry should have made that clear. Will edit prior post. Yeah it is. Thanks for the reply though.
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Post by zestychicken on Jun 10, 2020 12:59:34 GMT -5
Gonna try turn on STB, 1 sec delay, turn on Emo, 1 sec delay, turn on TV, 1 sec delay. Then set the sources. We'll see...
[EDIT] I suppose I could add a step to switch the sources back and forth to force a sync. Seems sloppy though.
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Post by cawgijoe on Jun 10, 2020 13:00:24 GMT -5
No, I am up to date. Sorry should have made that clear. Will edit prior post. Yeah it is. Thanks for the reply though. I recall someone else having this issue with a Sony TV and it turned out to be the TV settings....unfortunately I can't remember what the solution was. Try giving Emotiva Support a call....
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Post by zestychicken on Jun 10, 2020 13:04:54 GMT -5
No love with the delays. Guess I will add the source flip flop.
Nope Harmony doesn't allow that.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 10, 2020 13:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah it is. Thanks for the reply though. I recall someone else having this issue with a Sony TV and it turned out to be the TV settings....unfortunately I can't remember what the solution was. Try giving Emotiva Support a call.... I think it was the "enhanced mode" as well...
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Post by Thunderduck on Jun 10, 2020 13:10:49 GMT -5
Gonna try turn on STB, 1 sec delay, turn on Emo, 1 sec delay, turn on TV, 1 sec delay. Then set the sources. We'll see... [EDIT] I suppose I could add a step to switch the sources back and forth to force a sync. Seems sloppy though. If not already doing so, try using HDMI Out 2 from your unit to the TV. Also, as mentioned earlier, make sure the Input on your Sony TV is set to Enhanced. Steve
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Post by zestychicken on Jun 10, 2020 13:18:31 GMT -5
Gonna try turn on STB, 1 sec delay, turn on Emo, 1 sec delay, turn on TV, 1 sec delay. Then set the sources. We'll see... [EDIT] I suppose I could add a step to switch the sources back and forth to force a sync. Seems sloppy though. If not already doing so, try using HDMI Out 2 from your unit to the TV. Also, as mentioned earlier, make sure the Input on your Sony TV is set to Enhanced. Steve Why HDMI Out 2? Well that worked. But, why would you make the outputs different? What am I getting or missing with Output 2.
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