RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 Owners Thread (Post Firmware v1.10)

[Lsc]

Mar 16, 2022 20:11:36 GMT -5 marcl said:

Mar 16, 2022 15:44:12 GMT -5 ttocs said:

Switching Presets can fix some issues. But now I wonder if it's because of setup differences between the Presets, or, if it's even more particular, like maybe if one has subwoofers and the other doesn't? BM is involved in both of your Presets IIRC, because you've got channels setup as Small, correct?

So is it just the switching of Presets? or the way in which the Preset differ?

They're identical with Fronts Large and everything else small.  Except Preset 1 has Center Sub=LFE and Preset 2 has Center Sub=None.   Otherwise identical, and that includes Dirac as I send the same filters to Preset 2 with Center Sub=LFE, and then in the Preset I turn off the sub afterward.

And ... this 5-channel DSD file doesn't have .1 so it sends nothing to LFE.

Two things .... this has happened twice with 2.5 and never happened before in two years; and, all I had to do was switch from Preset 2 to Preset 1 and it fixed it (reboots had no effect).

I’m glad you found this and also found a workaround.

[Thunderduck]

I will be the first one to eat crow if it happens, but as others have noted firmware updates are not normally released on Friday. So, it is looking like another week has gone by without a new firmware release or even keeping us informed as to what is going on. I honestly do not understand why some sort of update on where things stand cannot be passed on to us. People are starting to move on to other solutions which I am very sorry to see but can certainly understand their disappointment.

I will continue to hang in there but even that has limitations. Have not reached them yet but who knows?

[ElectricKoolAid]

Mar 17, 2022 15:49:39 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

I will be the first one to eat crow if it happens, but as others have noted firmware updates are not normally released on Friday. So, it is looking like another week has gone by without a new firmware release or even keeping us informed as to what is going on. I honestly do not understand why some sort of update on where things stand cannot be passed on to us. People are starting to move on to other solutions which I am very sorry to see but can certainly understand their disappointment.

I will continue to hang in there but even that has limitations. Have not reached them yet but who knows?

Hard to say for sure, unfortunately without any official updates we're all just wondering. With all the shortages there's not too many good options to move to right now so I'll wait things out, see where we're at in a year, and reevaluate. As I've stated before, my main concern now that the BM bug is mostly addressed is DLBC, so we'll see what happens. I can get things "good enough" with Dirac and a MiniDSP (although I need to figure out why my subs are playing extremely hot right now, maybe due to a new Dirac calculation or MiniDSP settings). Anyways, yes hopefully we will hear an update soon but only time will tell. 

[ttocs]

Mar 17, 2022 16:00:31 GMT -5 @j*bleep*hrbc said:

I can get things "good enough" with Dirac and a MiniDSP (although I need to figure out why my subs are playing extremely hot right now, maybe due to a new Dirac calculation or MiniDSP settings).

Are your subs too hot when using User EQ, not Dirac?

[ElectricKoolAid]

Mar 17, 2022 16:19:38 GMT -5 ttocs said:

Mar 17, 2022 16:00:31 GMT -5 @j*bleep*hrbc said:

I can get things "good enough" with Dirac and a MiniDSP (although I need to figure out why my subs are playing extremely hot right now, maybe due to a new Dirac calculation or MiniDSP settings).

Are your subs too hot when using User EQ, not Dirac?

I'll check that tonight and report back! I meant to try that the other day and never did. 

[Lsc]

Mar 17, 2022 15:49:39 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

I will be the first one to eat crow if it happens, but as others have noted firmware updates are not normally released on Friday. So, it is looking like another week has gone by without a new firmware release or even keeping us informed as to what is going on. I honestly do not understand why some sort of update on where things stand cannot be passed on to us. People are starting to move on to other solutions which I am very sorry to see but can certainly understand their disappointment.

I will continue to hang in there but even that has limitations. Have not reached them yet but who knows?

I doubt Emotiva will “spring” a firmware onto us. But yes with no communication, who knows when it will be. I’m guessing firmware 3.0 will be released sometime in 2022.

[Thunderduck]

I have no way of knowing of course, but as long as it is taking to get the update out, I have to wonder if there is a major rewrite going on? Either that, or they are having one heck of a time getting something to work as it should. I know that earlier on there was a rewrite/update of the former XMC-1 code which had been ported over to the RMC-1. Guess only time will tell. That in itself might be worth the wait. Just hope it is soon (please forgive me for using that word).

Regards to all and Happy St. Patrick's Day!!

[frederick]

Mar 17, 2022 17:35:28 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

I have no way of knowing of course, but as long as it is taking to get the update out, I have to wonder if there is a major rewrite going on? Either that, or they are having one heck of a time getting something to work as it should. I know that earlier on there was a rewrite/update of the former XMC-1 code which had been ported over to the RMC-1. Guess only time will tell. That in itself might be worth the wait. Just hope it is soon (please forgive me for using that word).

Regards to all and Happy St. Patrick's Day!!

Newcomer here.

I noticed that the last two firmware updates were about six months apart.

Has the company made a practice of releasing at that rate?

I was thinking of purchasing a RMC-1L but some of the things I have read here have given me pause.

Thanks.

Frederick

[Thunderduck]

Mar 17, 2022 17:44:30 GMT -5 frederick said:

Mar 17, 2022 17:35:28 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

I have no way of knowing of course, but as long as it is taking to get the update out, I have to wonder if there is a major rewrite going on? Either that, or they are having one heck of a time getting something to work as it should. I know that earlier on there was a rewrite/update of the former XMC-1 code which had been ported over to the RMC-1. Guess only time will tell. That in itself might be worth the wait. Just hope it is soon (please forgive me for using that word).

Regards to all and Happy St. Patrick's Day!!

Newcomer here.

I noticed that the last two firmware updates were about six months apart.

Has the company made a practice of releasing at that rate?

I was thinking of purchasing a RMC-1L but some of the things I have read here have given me pause.

Thanks.

Frederick

I am far from an authority so hopefully someone more in the know will also chime in.  It has varied over the life of the units.  Some closer together and others farther apart.  It all depended on what was being covered in the update.  I believe the chatter now (including mine) is because some time ago now the words "soon" and "imminent" were used to advise when the next firmware update would be released.  That has not happened up to now.  I am hopeful that a major update will be released in the "near" future.

Take my response with a grain of salt.  As far as getting the RMC-1L, I would say go ahead and get one and see how you like it.  The return policy is very generous in my opinion and many folks here have had no major issues with their units.  My RMC-1 is actually working very well.  Just a few minor hiccups that do not impact the operation of the unit to any great degree.  I am just impatient for the new firmware to be released.  I want to see what improvements are made to my unit other than audio.  I think the audio is outstanding on my unit and believe most of the others here would agree on that.  So as I said, go ahead and get one and see what you think of it as it now stands.  Plus, the new firmware may be out in the near future (almost used the word "soon").


Best regards 

[Thunderduck]

Let me just add that Emotiva is not the only company that appears to be slow with firmware updates at present. On other forums, like AVS, people are complaining about the lack of updates in several of the threads. I also have a Monoprice HTP-1. It is an excellent unit that has its own issues. At first people talked about it like it was the best thing since sliced bread. But now that it has been in the field for a decent time issues are starting to crop up and the bloom is off the rose. Also, the firmware updates have slowed down considerably lately.

So, things are slow all over, not just here.

[frederick]

Mar 17, 2022 20:55:31 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

Let me just add that Emotiva is not the only company that appears to be slow with firmware updates at present. On other forums, like AVS, people are complaining about the lack of updates in several of the threads. I also have a Monoprice HTP-1. It is an excellent unit that has its own issues. At first people talked about it like it was the best thing since sliced bread. But now that it has been in the field for a decent time issues are starting to crop up and the bloom is off the rose. Also, the firmware updates have slowed down considerably lately.

So, things are slow all over, not just here.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Given the return policy for the RMC-1L I believe it is worth a try.

I have also heard of the HTP-1 but I had not heard of any issues. The Monoprice site is saying December before any units are available - who knows what may happen by then.

Frederick

[Thunderduck]

Yes, the HTP-1 is hard to come by currently and has been since the end of last year. Some "B" stock units turn up now and then which is how I got mine. The main issue seems to be where the unit will boot up all on its own. People have powered down their units and come back to find it turned on again and unresponsive. There is a special file that is used to get it back to operating again. There is also some question as if it will be updated to HDMI 2.1 in the future as well as some audio formats which were promised in the past will be forthcoming. Like Auro 3d (I believe that is what it is. Also DTSX:Pro) Once again not sure if those are the exact names. Just in case you are not aware, there is no OSD. You need a phone, tablet, or laptop to see the on screen display. It does have DLBM up and working.

If you are really interested in the HTP-1 I would recommend going to the AVS forum and reading through the thread there that covers the unit. A lot of info there that you can read through and a lot my correct that what I may have provided.

Now back on the correct subject.

Regards

[frederick]

Mar 17, 2022 22:05:21 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

It does have DLBM up and working.

Thanks for the information.

What is DLBM? 

Thanks.

Frederick

[novisnick]

Mar 17, 2022 22:10:53 GMT -5 frederick said:

Mar 17, 2022 22:05:21 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

It does have DLBM up and working.

Thanks for the information.

What is DLBM? 

Thanks.

Frederick

DLBM = Dirac Live Bass Module 😄 

[Lsc]

Mar 17, 2022 22:10:53 GMT -5 frederick said:

Mar 17, 2022 22:05:21 GMT -5 Thunderduck said:

It does have DLBM up and working.

Thanks for the information.

What is DLBM? 

Thanks.

Frederick

I think it’s called DLBC. If this is important to you and it seems like it isn’t since you are unaware of it, the RMC1L may work out for you. I have a hard time recommending these processors until I see DLBC on the horizon.

[ElectricKoolAid]

Mar 17, 2022 16:19:38 GMT -5 ttocs said:

Mar 17, 2022 16:00:31 GMT -5 @j*bleep*hrbc said:

I can get things "good enough" with Dirac and a MiniDSP (although I need to figure out why my subs are playing extremely hot right now, maybe due to a new Dirac calculation or MiniDSP settings).

Are your subs too hot when using User EQ, not Dirac?

I didn't get a chance to run anything through REW last night and could only do a quiet listening test between User EQ and my new Dirac calibration. User EQ was definitely much less hot on the bass (the Dirac EQ has a +6 db Harman Curve). I'm going to try to do more testing this weekend. 

[bitzerjdb]

FYI - I had a Ruipro Fiber cable go south last weekend, a quick email to the company resulted in a new cable being sent out, no questions asked. I give them a big thumbs up for support. Also, one of the recommended cables from the HDFury guys is Cable Matters. I picked up a 3 pack of 3M 8K cables for $30 from Amazon and added it when I replaced the Ruipro. I'm very impressed, it handled all the formats I could throw at it without any hiccups. The cables are well made and pretty flexible (not like some of the rock-hard ones I've used in the past). Best part...CHEAP!!!, or I should say inexpensive....and if they don't work for you, easy Amazon returns!

[ekpen]

any link to make of 8k cables ?
George

[doc1963]

Mar 21, 2022 0:51:00 GMT -5 ekpen said:

any link to make of 8k cables ?
George

You can find the Cable Matters 3-pack HERE.

If you’d prefer a short cable that’s also HDMI “Ultra” certified, I’d recommend the Zeskit Lite. I use these on all of my source devices. They are thin, flexible and put a lot less stress upon your HDMI ports. They do cost a little more than the Cable Matters cables, but still priced quite reasonably for a “certified” cable.

You can find the Zeskit Lite HERE

FWIW, although I don’t have any personal experience with their HDMI offerings, I have used other Cable Matters products. Their XLR and network cables are high quality and very cost effective. Personally, even though I would prefer that a manufacturer have their cables “certified”, I don’t think that you can go wrong with either.

[ElectricKoolAid]

Mar 18, 2022 8:20:13 GMT -5 @j*bleep*hrbc said:

Mar 17, 2022 16:19:38 GMT -5 ttocs said:

Are your subs too hot when using User EQ, not Dirac?

I didn't get a chance to run anything through REW last night and could only do a quiet listening test between User EQ and my new Dirac calibration. User EQ was definitely much less hot on the bass (the Dirac EQ has a +6 db Harman Curve). I'm going to try to do more testing this weekend. 

Well, I think I figured out what had happened with my subs running so hot. I'm still a little confused about some of the things I experienced such as a large peak at 30 hz that I do not believe was there before. I believe this is what happened: 

Had system calibrated with Dirac last year. Not sure if I ever measured with REW to actually confirm what Dirac did but it sounded good so I left it. Got pretty drunk the other weekend and turned my gain on my sub amps up higher than normal while in a state where my memory is foggy 

Now when I'm listening this past week I'm like wait, why are the subs so hot? Lol well then I measure with REW and they are 30 dBs hot! Ok, that's crazy....then I also remember, if I'm not mistaken in REW you should measure your channel 4 with a signal of -40 dbfs instead of -30 dbfs because of the 10 dB boost the LFE channel gets. Does that sound right? 

So basically it was a combination of my mistakes and misunderstandings I think...the levels still seemed a bit high for how I had the gain set on the amp (only at half power) but they are pretty powerful amps (SpeakerPower SP2-8000HT). 

I did a full factory reset of my XMC-2 and ran an all new Dirac calibration with the gain turned down to the 9 o clock position and it seems to be working fine now. When I measure in REW with a 10dB harman curve I see a 20 dB boost in the low end, assuming this is because I measured the LFE channel and it applied the 10 dB to the sub.